Ati's r520 will be 30-40% better than Nvidia's current top (7800gtx)

[Hacp]

How did this get into GH???????

 

[otispunkmeyer]

if sander sassens results were true, then your claim simply doesnt add up. but i sure hope you are right because this things gonna cost a good chunk more than the 7800GTX

 

[R3MF]

ffs, shut up.

 

[Sunner]

Can't the mods move this to OT?
Or maybe P&N? The P&N crew will love it.

 

[biostud]

so with a o/c to 500+ and 81.xx+ drivers 7800GTX should compete well with r520? 😛

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: Gomce
Apart from the fact that it's a 16pipe card, thanks to the ringbus it will offer better pixel performance, offload the GPU focus on textures pushing resulting in 20% to 40% increase in graphics processing than Nvidia's current offering.

Think of it as X850XT PE VS 6800gt improvement

🙂 You'll see!

Did you pull that crap out of your ass? Or do you have some proof to back it up?

 

[GamerExpress]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
hmm, I havent seen the other thread....but I never looked...bacause I hate this wild speculation by ATI and nVidia fanboys. I'll believe this when I see the actual benchmarks, but until then, this is all heresay.

There are pre-release benchmarks out there.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Gomce
Apart from the fact that it's a 16pipe card, thanks to the ringbus it will offer better pixel performance, offload the GPU focus on textures pushing resulting in 20% to 40% increase in graphics processing than Nvidia's current offering.

Think of it as X850XT PE VS 6800gt improvement

🙂 You'll see!

From what I've been hearing, its going to be yet another year of crappy performance for ATI....the X800 series wasn't that good last year (esp now that they went 2 slot cooling solution) and BARELY outdid the 6800U in some areas (games made for ATI...) but generally nVidia held the crown....perhaps at the cost of power & heat issues, but they held it...

I cannot help but wonder if ATI didn't launch b/c they couldn't comepet with the G70? I mean, the G70 is a breakaway from thge usual next gen videocard.....typically it is an incremental upgrade...this time, a single 7800GT oudoes a single 6800U (and at times two 6800Us) and a single 7800 GTX outdoes EVERY other setup out there...and two...crap! Plus it consumes less power and generates much less heat.

 

[RampantAndroid]

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1813.1/

You've prob ALL seenit before, but just to show it to the fanbitch that created this....following some "Taiwanese" leaked info isn't smart...I don't see ATI's card being 30-40% better? I dunno though, I'd better pull out my calc III and try integrating across the past 6 months that ATI had to fix up the card....and got nowhere.

This is what you get for being a fanbitch. Never jump the gun...some people swore Intel's dual cores would be sooooo awesome....and now the engineers are admitting is was rushed and ill concieved on their part, just to compete with AMD.

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1813.1/

You've prob ALL seenit before, but just to show it to the fanbitch that created this....following some "Taiwanese" leaked info isn't smart...I don't see ATI's card being 30-40% better? I dunno though, I'd better pull out my calc III and try integrating across the past 6 months that ATI had to fix up the card....and got nowhere.

This is what you get for being a fanbitch. Never jump the gun...some people swore Intel's dual cores would be sooooo awesome....and now the engineers are admitting is was rushed and ill concieved on their part, just to compete with AMD.

News flash! That site is BS.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1813.1/

You've prob ALL seenit before, but just to show it to the fanbitch that created this....following some "Taiwanese" leaked info isn't smart...I don't see ATI's card being 30-40% better? I dunno though, I'd better pull out my calc III and try integrating across the past 6 months that ATI had to fix up the card....and got nowhere.

This is what you get for being a fanbitch. Never jump the gun...some people swore Intel's dual cores would be sooooo awesome....and now the engineers are admitting is was rushed and ill concieved on their part, just to compete with AMD.

News flash! That site is BS.

and it's a repost x 1000000

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Too bad it will take 6 months before cards actually become widely available.

Yeah

umm so what did you expect the CEO of ATI to say?? our cards are slower than Nvidia's?

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: Gomce
Apart from the fact that it's a 16pipe card, thanks to the ringbus it will offer better pixel performance, offload the GPU focus on textures pushing resulting in 20% to 40% increase in graphics processing than Nvidia's current offering.

Think of it as X850XT PE VS 6800gt improvement

🙂 You'll see!

ummm lets wait and see!!!

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Gomce
Apart from the fact that it's a 16pipe card, thanks to the ringbus it will offer better pixel performance, offload the GPU focus on textures pushing resulting in 20% to 40% increase in graphics processing than Nvidia's current offering.

Think of it as X850XT PE VS 6800gt improvement

🙂 You'll see!

You really have no idea WTF you're talking about. Some stupid ringbus is going to offer a 20-40% increase in graphics processing over Nvidia's current offering? If anything it in itself probably offers a 20-40% increase over the R480.

I'm no Nvidia fanboy at all and I enjoyed my 9700pro when I had it because it was clearly superior to anything Nvidia had at the time. Right now all the facts we know point to the 7800GTX being superior to anything ATI can come up with. 16 pipes vs. 24 pipes are not in competition at all unless the ATI part can clock at least 50% higher and do so generating the same amount of heat as a 7800GTX and sell for $450 street. It might happen but I really doubt it.

 

[nRollo]

Why does this thread exist?

Some guy wants to say "I think ATIs new products will be a huge leap over current nVidia" and we give it a forum based on his "hunch"? 😕

It's one thing to post links to rumors or leaked benches from people at least peripherally in the business, but to just post "Wait and see doubters!"?

:roll:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Gomce
Apart from the fact that it's a 16pipe card, thanks to the ringbus it will offer better pixel performance, offload the GPU focus on textures pushing resulting in 20% to 40% increase in graphics processing than Nvidia's current offering.

Think of it as X850XT PE VS 6800gt improvement

🙂 You'll see!

"offload the GPU focus"?!?!? WTF is that?!?!?

And you do realize that a 16 pipe card probably isn't preferable in days of 20-24 pipe cards?

Methinks thou hast consumed too much ale, and become befuddled.......

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

I'm no Nvidia fanboy at all and I enjoyed my 9700pro when I had it because it was clearly superior to anything Nvidia had at the time. Right now all the facts we know point to the 7800GTX being superior to anything ATI can come up with. 16 pipes vs. 24 pipes are not in competition at all unless the ATI part can clock at least 50% higher and do so generating the same amount of heat as a 7800GTX and sell for $450 street. It might happen but I really doubt it.

Why do you just assume that the pixel pipes on the R520 are exactly the same as the pipes on the G70? What if ATI has created fatter pipes? Pipes that are more efficient and can do more per cycle. Use your imagination... do you think all pipes created by any manufacturer from here to eternity will always be created equally?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: sxr7171

I'm no Nvidia fanboy at all and I enjoyed my 9700pro when I had it because it was clearly superior to anything Nvidia had at the time. Right now all the facts we know point to the 7800GTX being superior to anything ATI can come up with. 16 pipes vs. 24 pipes are not in competition at all unless the ATI part can clock at least 50% higher and do so generating the same amount of heat as a 7800GTX and sell for $450 street. It might happen but I really doubt it.

Why do you just assume that the pixel pipes on the R520 are exactly the same as the pipes on the G70? What if ATI has created fatter pipes? Pipes that are more efficient and can do more per cycle. Use your imagination... do you think all pipes created by any manufacturer from here to eternity will always be created equally?

As a guy with two A64s and a X2 on the way, no.

However, ATIs own assertion that their product will be "competitive" if they can reach hoped for clock speeds at their last conference call, coupled with the widespread rumor their clockspeed is 170MHz higher than the 7800GTX, does little to engender fantasies of the "fat pipes".
It makes you think it's a repeat of the nV40/R420 situation where it took ATI muchhigher clock speeds to offer comparable performance.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo

However, ATIs own assertion that their product will be "competitive" if they can reach hoped for clock speeds at their last conference call, coupled with the widespread rumor their clockspeed is 170MHz higher than the 7800GTX, does little to engender fantasies of the "fat pipes".
It makes you think it's a repeat of the nV40/R420 situation where it took ATI muchhigher clock speeds to offer comparable performance.

I keep hearing about this infamous conference call, but I don't put much credibility in that. You're reading a lot into their choice of words, but was it even a direst quote that was leaked? And who knows how accurate the quote was, even if it was real.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with them ramping up clock speeds because the R520 was clearly designed with higher clock speeds in mind. I believe one of the tradeoffs of having more pipelines is that it's harder to ramp up clock speeds. On top of that the die shrink contributes to higher clocks. So higher clock speeds was a design decision with the R520 and not some desperate move to wring more performance out of the chip as you try to suggest.

 

[M0RPH]

Ok let's say, for the hell of it, purely hypothetically, that ATI has fatter pipes than Nvidia and let's say that they are 1.3x as powerful. Assuming 16 pipes on the ATI card and 24 on the Nvidia. Then consider how much higher the core and memory are clocked on the X1800XT as opposed to the 7800GTX. Then, for safe measure, throw in the fact that the X1800XT has double the RAM at 512M.

Given the facts above (the 1.3x pipes are hypothetical, the rest is fact)... do you still think the 7800GTX is going to come out the winner?

Anybody?

 

[Kyanzes]

Originally posted by: Gomce
Apart from the fact that it's a 16pipe card, thanks to the ringbus it will offer better pixel performance, offload the GPU focus on textures pushing resulting in 20% to 40% increase in graphics processing than Nvidia's current offering.

Think of it as X850XT PE VS 6800gt improvement

🙂 You'll see!

Dream while you still can! Sit back on the potty and concentrate, make sure no more BS comes out.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Ok let's say, for the hell of it, purely hypothetically, that ATI has fatter pipes than Nvidia and let's say that they are 1.3x as powerful. Assuming 16 pipes on the ATI card and 24 on the Nvidia. Then consider how much higher the core and memory are clocked on the X1800XT as opposed to the 7800GTX. Then, for safe measure, throw in the fact that the X1800XT has double the RAM at 512M.

Given the facts above (the 1.3x pipes are hypothetical, the rest is fact)... do you still think the 7800GTX is going to come out the winner?

Anybody?

Depending on the price and availibility? Yes.

 

[Turtle 1]

Hay Rollo do you feel the pressure the walls closing in on you. You have been giving out a lot of BS. About ATI performance . The x1300 scores 2882 3Dmark 05 thats a 1quad card rollo . Its looking like ATI lined the X1600XT up to battle the 7800GTX and the X1800xt Is all alone at the top with no competition. R300 started it and it looks like the R520 is taking the tradition of laying the smack down on nvidia 2 steps higher.

Ya but didn't you see Sander Sassons leaked benchmarks. Ya I seen them Not bad for the X1600xt results. Come on rollo this is going to turn out to be a beating by ATI. Give it up.

 

[Turtle 1]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Gomce
Apart from the fact that it's a 16pipe card, thanks to the ringbus it will offer better pixel performance, offload the GPU focus on textures pushing resulting in 20% to 40% increase in graphics processing than Nvidia's current offering.

Think of it as X850XT PE VS 6800gt improvement

🙂 You'll see!

"offload the GPU focus"?!?!? WTF is that?!?!?

And you do realize that a 16 pipe card probably isn't preferable in days of 20-24 pipe cards?

Methinks thou hast consumed too much ale, and become befuddled.......

And you do realize that a 16 pipe card probably isn't preferable in days of 20-24 pipe cards Only to those that have them Rollo only to those that have them.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Turtle 1
Hay Rollo do you feel the pressure the walls closing in on you. You have been giving out a lot of BS. About ATI performance . The x1300 scores 2882 3Dmark 05 thats a 1quad card rollo . Its looking like ATI lined the X1600XT up to battle the 7800GTX and the X1800xt Is all alone at the top with no competition. R300 started it and it looks like the R520 is taking the tradition of laying the smack down on nvidia 2 steps higher.

Ya but didn't you see Sander Sassons leaked benchmarks. Ya I seen them Not bad for the X1600xt results. Come on rollo this is going to turn out to be a beating by ATI. Give it up.

Why are you still here? you have NO idea what you are talking about in just about any circumstance.