Ati's R500 . . . *Update* X-b0xNext info*

[apoppin]

ATI R500

Introduced: 2005-H1

Description: High end ATI graphics chip to succeed R350 and R420 built in a 90 nm process. Based on the earlier canceled R400. Launched in Q4-04 in the best case scenario... Supports DirectX 9.0c or 10 and Pixel and Vertex shaders 3.0 with 128 bit precision.

Quick Specs
Process 90 nm
Memory DDR-3
AGP PCI Express
Type Desktop
DirectX 9.0c, 10
Core R500
Vertex shaders 3.0
Pixel shaders 3.0

Due late '04 (possible); likely 05

:Q

Update in latest post repeated here:ATI R500 ? Shader Model 3.0 and Beyond? (xbit labs)

ATI Technologies has been consistently downplaying the importance of Shader Model 3.0 introduced by NVIDIA with the GeForce 6-series of processors, but Microsoft?s Xbox 2 has all chances to force ATI Technologies to implement the pixel and vertex shaders 3.0 into its graphics chips.

[keep readin' . . . lots of tidbits on Xb0x II]

edit couldn't RESIST:

Specifications of the graphics engine the Xbox 2 console is reported to have impress much: the chip seems to have 10 times higher geometry and 4 times higher pixel performance compared to the RADEON X800 XT. In case the same applies to the desktop R500, then next year we will see processors outperforming today?s chips in graphics-intensive applications by a factor of 3, at least?

OUCH! Gonne have to UPgrade NEXT year. :roll:

that $700 XT-PE buyer is gonna have BUYER's REMORSE.

 

[Jagercola]

Man, this thing is a long ways off. I'd say summer '05 at the earliest. I bet they will do a refresh of the R420 first.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Jagercola
Man, this thing is a long ways off. I'd say summer '05 at the earliest. I bet they will do a refresh of the R420 first.

R480 is the refresh of the 420, and yes, it will be out first. 2005 is a good estimate though seeing as the R500 is going to be the Xbox2 GPU. When is the Xbox2 release date again?

 

[Illissius]

Possibly the only useful part out of all this is that it'll be available in AGP. Everything else is either known or expected.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Illissius
Possibly the only useful part out of all this is that it'll be available in AGP. Everything else is either known or expected.

yes, i thought that was important - we will still have top-line cards available for AGP for at least another 18 months.

What isN't 'realized' is that the current r420/nv40 may not be the "great investment" so many are claiming if they are gonna get 'blown away' in LESS than a year.

i also didn't realize the r500 is really the cancelled r400 - the x-box GPU and that it would be here SO SOON - ati was talking 18 month or longer product cycles.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

jus think if ati hadnt of had to cancle R400 Nv may well be on its knees.........i think R420 is basically jus a teporary space filler to tide people over till the real deal ..the new core comes.......R500 is gonna cost alot, so wonder how much microsoft are gonna want us to pay for xbox 2.....tho he's rich enough to make any loss look worthless

 

[scoughlin1]

I would expect them in maybe March at the earliest, they haven't even got the current ones out yet for the most part.

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: apoppin
ATI R500

Introduced: 2005-H1

Description: High end ATI graphics chip to succeed R350 and R420 built in a 90 nm process. Based on the earlier canceled R400. Launched in Q4-04 in the best case scenario... Supports DirectX 9.0c or 10 and Pixel and Vertex shaders 3.0 with 128 bit precision.

Quick Specs
Process 90 nm
Memory DDR-3
AGP PCI Express
Type Desktop
DirectX 9.0c, 10
Core R500
Vertex shaders 3.0
Pixel shaders 3.0

Due late '04 (possible); likely 05

:Q

Wow those specs look awesome, cant wait for the r500...

Any next gen card will have those specs, i could of pulled them out of my ass too.

 

[Insomniak]

I'm really more interested in the two things that matter...


pipelines and clockspeeds.

 

[cstring]

I wonder what nvidia is gonna do next, they spent all this effort on the new 6800 and in less than a year ATI is gonna release this beast. Not like the 6800 is stomping on the ATI cards right now.

 

[BFG10K]

Something really has to be done about the temperatures as GPUs (and CPUs too I guess) are really getting out of hand. If this continues water cooling will become mandatory.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: cstring
I wonder what nvidia is gonna do next, they spent all this effort on the new 6800 and in less than a year ATI is gonna release this beast. Not like the 6800 is stomping on the ATI cards right now.

Release NV50? It's not like the ATi cards are stomping on the 6800s right now...

What was the point of your post again?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: cstring
I wonder what nvidia is gonna do next, they spent all this effort on the new 6800 and in less than a year ATI is gonna release this beast. Not like the 6800 is stomping on the ATI cards right now.

nV50 . . . scheduled for 2H '05.
edit: "available" '06

:roll:

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Something really has to be done about the temperatures as GPUs (and CPUs too I guess) are really getting out of hand. If this continues water cooling will become mandatory.

People are trying to beat Moore's law - that's the problem. Think about how quickly NV40 came after NV30 - really, about 12 months. That's halfway through the cycle.

Prescott cooks, but the A64 series isn't that bad. GPUs though, ATi and NV chips both run hot as the dickens.

 

[thegimp03]

water cooling

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Something really has to be done about the temperatures as GPUs (and CPUs too I guess) are really getting out of hand. If this continues water cooling will become mandatory.

People are trying to beat Moore's law - that's the problem. Think about how quickly NV40 came after NV30 - really, about 12 months. That's halfway through the cycle.

Prescott cooks, but the A64 series isn't that bad. GPUs though, ATi and NV chips both run hot as the dickens.

What EVER happened to ATI's announcement that they were going to a LONGER product cycle of AT LEAST 18 months? . . . looks like the graphics wars are heating up again. . . .i guess they want us to spend $600 every year.

The 9800xt is the first of the really hot gpus (i think); watercooling will probably become standard . . . . eventually. . . . . that .09 micron process will probably just cram MORE transistors in . . .
. . . i bet nVidia's next gpu has at least 400 Million transistors (if it follows its 'history') :Q

 

[nRollo]

I truly doubt you will see this card this year when the current card isn't supposed to ship in volume till August?

Unless of course they just do another paper lauch and release it next summer anyway after people preorder it this year. :roll:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I truly doubt you will see this card this year when the current card isn't supposed to ship in volume till August?

Unless of course they just do another paper lauch and release it next summer anyway after people preorder it this year. :roll:

if nVidia follows its 'history', we can EXPECT a paper launch of nv50 (just) BEFORE ati announces r500.



Prpbably TWO paper launches.

ati will ALSO be struggling with a new core, new drivers and a general mess . . . i think $500 will NOT buy the top card then (of course SLI should be widely available by THEN and we should see some pretty hefty expenses for UPgrading) . . . of course, my [lame] prediction.

:roll:

 

[edmundoab]

with the Radeon X800XT PE being hot cakes right now, the back order has already stretch well over 1 month. Possibly two.

we can expect tha R500 to be in a similar situation

 

[stickybytes]

if ati chooses to release it at the end of this year, i think it would be counterproductive. What about all the money they dumped on the r420(x800). It might have just been a refresh of the same core as the 9800 series but the manufacturing and not to say adveristisng costs money too. And now they're expecting you to buy a new card when you just bought one 6 months ago? People are not loaded with 500 dollars in the bank every 12 months. It would be beter if ati waits until say like mid 2005 when both the 6800 and x800 can be readily available.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I truly doubt you will see this card this year when the current card isn't supposed to ship in volume till August?

Unless of course they just do another paper lauch and release it next summer anyway after people preorder it this year. :roll:

Unlike the current HUGE supply of 6800U cards that were paper launched even before ATi. :roll:

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I truly doubt you will see this card this year when the current card isn't supposed to ship in volume till August?

Unless of course they just do another paper lauch and release it next summer anyway after people preorder it this year. :roll:

You mean just like Nvidia did with the 6800 series?

 

[g3pro]

.09 micron process? hahahahahah. give me a break. Intel and IBM are having bitches of problems making the transition. It just isn't gonna happen for GPUs. .11 micron, but definitely not .09. They would be shooting themselves in the foot for even thinking it at this point. But then again, this is our friendly ATi who forgot to make their cards SM3.0 capable.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: oldfart

Originally posted by: Rollo
I truly doubt you will see this card this year when the current card isn't supposed to ship in volume till August?

Unless of course they just do another paper lauch and release it next summer anyway after people preorder it this year. :roll:

Unlike the current HUGE supply of 6800U cards that were paper launched even before ATi. :roll:

beat me too it

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: g3pro
.09 micron process? hahahahahah. give me a break. Intel and IBM are having bitches of problems making the transition. It just isn't gonna happen for GPUs. .11 micron, but definitely not .09. They would be shooting themselves in the foot for even thinking it at this point. But then again, this is our friendly ATi who forgot to make their cards SM3.0 capable.

Ummm...you might want to keep in mind that NV30 was delayed because nVidia decided to go with 0.13 micron. ATi was smart and went with 0.15 micron with R300, and it paid off. Basically my point is that ATi seems to have a good handle on the technologies required to make a cutting edge GPU. If intel and (soon) AMD can mass-produce CPUs at 0.09 micron, why can't ATi almost a year from now?