ATi's classic Control Panel

[hyrm29]

In the latest CATALYST-releases (5.12 and 5.13) ATi has made, they have decided not to offer the classic Control Panel as an option. Now we must instead download the bloated CCC. There's a petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/ctrlpanl/petition.html for those who still are in favour of the classic Control Panel.

 

[BigfootKevin]

you don't have to install CCC, just uncheck the box when installing it.

 

[hyrm29]

No, you don't have to, but if you don't, you'll have no way to change the settings in the drivers.

 

[Hadsus]

I agree it's a POS.

 

[KeepItRed]

I personally love the CCC, but if ATI could make it use less Memory/CPU and have just a tad more features, I'd love it more.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: hyrm29
No, you don't have to, but if you don't, you'll have no way to change the settings in the drivers.

search up ati tray tools. download it. great program.

btw, is ati CCC supposed to freeze when transitioning windows or opening up wizards? it seems to use my HDD for like 15 seconds before opening up a wizard window.

 

[JBT]

ATI Tray Tools are even better than the vanilla Control Panel never mind the CCC. Its all I use now.

 

[mamisano]

Not sure what all the commotion is about. When they first released the CCC, ATI specifically stated that they would eventually do away with the older Control Panel. I think this was a necessity and not an option on ATI's part, don't remember all the details.

 

[Gstanfor]

Until ATi's cheats can be effectively controlled, there is no way that the CCC (cheat & con centre) should be the default interface.

B3D link

Catalyst AI feature request (help please)

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Ati introduced Catalyst AI feature quite some time ago. The feature handles texture filtering , game specific optimisation and game compatibility improvements(workarounds).

While i think cat ai is certainly a good feature it had one major flaw since it was launched. There is no option to disable texture filtering optimisation separately from game specific optimisations.

There are often cases where i would like to disable texture filtering optimisations but not the game specific ones(there is usually no reason to do so). At the beginning where only a handful of games have been detected by cat ai it was not so a serious issue but the games detected by cat ai increases steadily and now there are a lot of them already which i think makes this kind of separation more necessary or useful. It's not possible with current implementation of cat ai.

I would like to ask all users who feel the same way as me to make a feature request to ati using their feedback form -> http://support.ati.com/ics/survey/su...D=486&type=web

An option to disable texture filtering optimisation separately from game specific optimisation and best even separate between trilinear and anisotropic filtering optimisations

Thanks and happy holidays
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Hans Dampf im Schnägäloch!

Stop using default driver filtering optimisations in highend graphiccard tests! Please!?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Until ATi's cheats can be effectively controlled, there is no way that the CCC (cheat & con centre) should be the default interface.

B3D link

Catalyst AI feature request (help please)

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Ati introduced Catalyst AI feature quite some time ago. The feature handles texture filtering , game specific optimisation and game compatibility improvements(workarounds).

While i think cat ai is certainly a good feature it had one major flaw since it was launched. There is no option to disable texture filtering optimisation separately from game specific optimisations.

There are often cases where i would like to disable texture filtering optimisations but not the game specific ones(there is usually no reason to do so). At the beginning where only a handful of games have been detected by cat ai it was not so a serious issue but the games detected by cat ai increases steadily and now there are a lot of them already which i think makes this kind of separation more necessary or useful. It's not possible with current implementation of cat ai.

I would like to ask all users who feel the same way as me to make a feature request to ati using their feedback form -> http://support.ati.com/ics/survey/su...D=486&type=web

An option to disable texture filtering optimisation separately from game specific optimisation and best even separate between trilinear and anisotropic filtering optimisations

Thanks and happy holidays
__________________
Hans Dampf im Schnägäloch!

Stop using default driver filtering optimisations in highend graphiccard tests! Please!?

um.. get ati tray tools. i have diasabled all filtering optomizations, catalyst ai is off and i turned on geometry instancing with that program. seriously, it's a gem. Running 5.13s.

 

[Gstanfor]

Post your response in the B3D topic and see what tEd thinks (the originator of the topic is part of a small group of guys responsible for uncovering most of the IQ optimizations we know about).

 

[mwmorph]

my only hardware forum registration is with at so ehh. not into doing all that to go to a forum i wont visit again.

 

[BW86]

signed

 

[BFG10K]

He's right - ATi Tray Tools can disable the filtering optimizations. You can even make application specific profiles that turn them off for specific games.

 

[Gstanfor]

Thats lovely, I'm sure, but its not built into the drivers.

 

[hyrm29]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Thats lovely, I'm sure, but its not built into the drivers.

Yeah, ATi should still support some way to make changes to the settings without having to install extra software and without having to use the CCC, which it seems like isn't only being hated by me.

 

[BFG10K]

Thats lovely, I'm sure, but its not built into the drivers.

Neither is driver profile removal on nVidia cards.
Neither is gamma corrected FSAA on nVidia cards.

And tell me, how do I force control panel AF in Doom 3 on nVidia cards using just the built-in functions of the driver?

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Thats lovely, I'm sure, but its not built into the drivers.

Neither is driver profile removal on nVidia cards.
Neither is gamma corrected FSAA on nVidia cards.

And tell me, how do I force control panel AF in Doom 3 on nVidia cards using just the built-in functions of the driver?

You are getting this one reply, and one reply only BFG10K

You most certainly can remove profiles with the control panel. (was that clear enough for you, or shall I draw a nice bright Red oval around the remove button for you?). Of course, removing profiles wasn't what was being discussed here...

Gamma correction IS builtin to the driver, however the capability is (for reasons I don't know or understand) not exposed through the control panel. Of course, gamma correction wasn't what was being discussed here...

With Doom3, nVidia is merely enforcing the programmers wish that AF be set by the application, because forcing with the control panel will cause the game to possibly render incorrectly (this is the same reason why Halo & Splinter Cell cannot have AA forced in the control panel). Of course, Doom3 wasn't what was being discussed here...

What we were discussing was the ability to turn on/off IQ optimizations, seperately from anything else. With nVidia's control panel, you can do this, with ATi's, you cannot.

 

[BFG10K]

You most certainly can remove profiles with the control panel.

Demonstrate to me how to remove any built-in profile using the base control panel. Thanks.

Of course, removing profiles wasn't what was being discussed here...

Of course, gamma correction wasn't what was being discussed here...

Of course, Doom3 wasn't what was being discussed here...

What was being discussed is the double standard whereby nVidia is allowed to have functionality outside of the base driver but ATi was not. If you want to pimp nHancer then you must also accept ATi Tray Tools.

What we were discussing was the ability to turn on/off IQ optimizations, seperately from anything else.

You can do this with ATi Tray Tools.

With Doom3, nVidia is merely enforcing the programmers wish that AF be set by the application, because forcing with the control panel will cause the game to possibly render incorrectly

In Doom 3's case the performance will simply drop but that's beside the point. The point is that you can force it with ATi by disabling Catalyst AI. In fact you can disable all application detection through Catalyst AI, unlike nVidia where you can't disable application detection even if you remove the profiles through nHancer.

With nVidia's control panel, you can do this, with ATi's, you cannot.

But nVidia's control panel can't do the three things I quoted above. ATi's can.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

You most certainly can remove profiles with the control panel.

Demonstrate to me how to remove any built-in profile using the base control panel. Thanks.

Of course, removing profiles wasn't what was being discussed here...

Of course, gamma correction wasn't what was being discussed here...

Of course, Doom3 wasn't what was being discussed here...

What was being discussed is the double standard whereby nVidia is allowed to have functionality outside of the base driver but ATi was not. If you want to pimp nHancer then you must also accept ATi Tray Tools.

What we were discussing was the ability to turn on/off IQ optimizations, seperately from anything else.

You can do this with ATi Tray Tools.

With Doom3, nVidia is merely enforcing the programmers wish that AF be set by the application, because forcing with the control panel will cause the game to possibly render incorrectly

In Doom 3's case the performance will simply drop but that's beside the point. The point is that you can force it with ATi by disabling Catalyst AI. In fact you can disable all application detection through Catalyst AI, unlike nVidia where you can't disable application detection even if you remove the profiles through nHancer.

With nVidia's control panel, you can do this, with ATi's, you cannot.

But nVidia's control panel can't do the three things I quoted above. ATi's can.

Demonstrate to me how to remove any built-in profile using the base control panel. Thanks.

Educate yourself, don't demand explanations from others. This is all you'll get from me.

What was being discussed is the double standard whereby nVidia is allowed to have functionality outside of the base driver but ATi was not. If you want to pimp nHancer then you must also accept ATi Tray Tools.

No, there is no double standard on my behalf. I stated that nVidia's control panel allows you to switch off optimizations, and it does. Ati's does not. nHancer does not come into the equation, since you can disable the optimizations without it (it is useful for controlling hidden driver features such as AA, Texture LOD etc as well as offering a better interface). I never rejected ATi Tray tools as a utility, what I said was

Thats lovely, I'm sure, but its not built into the drivers

In Doom 3's case the performance will simply drop but that's beside the point. The point is that you can force it with ATi by disabling Catalyst AI. In fact you can disable all application detection through Catalyst AI, unlike nVidia where you can't disable application detection even if you remove the profiles through nHancer.

And your point is what precisely? There is nothing evil about application detection. In fact it is necessary for games such as Halo, Splinter Cell & Doom3 to work correctly due to the way they were programmed (and I am sure that in the case of Halo & Splinter Cell you will find ATi's drivers have forced application detection deep within them which cannot be removed/disabled, due to the need to keep AA disabled in these titles). You do not HAVE to remove a profile to disable optimizations.

But nVidia's control panel can't do the three things I quoted above. ATi's can.

Who cares??? They are not essential options and can be easily handled by the like of ATi Tray Tools?

By the way I think you will find you CANNOT control gamma corrected AA on ATi hardware (unless the engineers have been telling more porkie pies on Beyond3D) because in the past the have stated this is built into their hardware and cannot be disabled, nor can it be modified or bypassed.

 

[Phantom1983]

ATI Tray Tools are even better than the vanilla Control Panel never mind the CCC. Its all I use now.

Agreed. The ATI tray tools is very nicely interfaced and occupies virtually no resources. I'd use it but for one slight issue: I can't find a way to have different gamma profiles for desktop and FS3D. Is there a way to do this? If so, I'll ditch CP this instant.

Cheers,

M.

 

[Phantom1983]

I agree wholeheartedly. I simply can't see why ATI would produce a vast, bloated, memory-devouring app which offers NO extra functionality with respect to what it is replacing. The CP is a beautifully compact program using almost no resources and accomplishing exactly the same goals.

I'm running a 9800pro on an Athlon XP 2600+ and CP produces NO performance impacts, while CCC gives NOTICEABLE slow-down even with my 1G of memory.

Have I missed the point of programming here? I thought the aim was to write compact, smooth, reliable apps which minimize their need for resources.

The fact that those running top-end computers won't notice a performance dip with CCC is little comfort to the 90% of us who aren't. For shame, ATI:thumbsdown:

 

[BFG10K]

Educate yourself, don't demand explanations from others. This is all you'll get from me.

It's comical to watch you duck and weave the issue. Why don't you just admit you can't remove built-in nVidia profiles without nHancer?

I never rejected ATi Tray tools as a utility, what I said was

Then what does it matter if it's not built into the base CP/CCC if ATT can do it?

And your point is what precisely? There is nothing evil about application detection.

My point is that I can disable on ATi cards and make that choice for myself. You can't on nVidia cards.

By the way I think you will find you CANNOT control gamma corrected AA on ATi hardware

I don't want to control it, I just want it enabled. Why can't I do this through the base nVidia control panel?

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Educate yourself, don't demand explanations from others. This is all you'll get from me.

It's comical to watch you duck and weave the issue. Why don't you just admit you can't remove built-in nVidia profiles without nHancer?

:disgust: You know BFG10K, sometimes pictures have to be read, not just looked at (like the one I posted)...

I never rejected ATi Tray tools as a utility, what I said was

Then what does it matter if it's not built into the base CP/CCC if ATT can do it?

It matters because the vast majority of people with high end video cards believe that you should not have to suffer IQ optimizations at that price point. nVidia allows you to do something about the situation, ATi doesn't.

And your point is what precisely? There is nothing evil about application detection.

My point is that I can disable on ATi cards and make that choice for myself. You can't on nVidia cards.

I guess if I were an ATi owner, I'd be a little paranoid about Application detection too, what with QUACK, 3DMark2001, 3Dmurk, Doom3 and more. Fortunately, as a nVidia owner I haven't had to worry about that sort of thing since the end of the 50 series drivers (which were abysmal and shameful).

By the way I think you will find you CANNOT control gamma corrected AA on ATi hardware

I don't want to control it, I just want it enabled. Why can't I do this through the base nVidia control panel?

You *can* enable it through the control panel *if* you have a G70 or better. Otherwise, you will need to use nHancer to enable/disable it.

 

[xtknight]

You can enable gamma-corrected AA in the normal ForceWare control panel by clicking Advanced (I don't think Coolbits added it).

http://xtknight.atothosting.com/gcaa.JPG

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