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In the 3.3ns rethink, some of ATi's partners are going to make higher clocked RAM (Powercolour and maybe Asus IIRC), up to 750MHz for some I think (25% more speed), might give it a bit more performance than normal XT's.
 
Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
LOL

If NV36 is $300, it better be able to beat the $300 Sapphire 9800 Pro's. And fat chance of that happening. 😀
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Or the $250 Sapphire non-pros flashed to past default pro speeds! 😛

 
Originally posted by: oldfart
Originally posted by: Ferocious
I think my 1 year old 9700PRO will last me all the way until my next system. A PCI Express system.

What an awesome card. 🙂
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Yeah, people who bought a 9700P are getting a lot of mileage from them. I put a ZM80A-HP passive heatpipe cooler on mine. I'll keep it for awhile longer until the next big thing.
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heatpipes are active cooling
 
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Thanks for the news Adul. I can't wait to see a real review of a 5700U card (along with pricing info).
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A review should be here tonight if all goes well.
 
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Thanks for the news Adul. I can't wait to see a real review of a 5700U card (along with pricing info).
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Can someone tell me, looking at the press release Adul posted, how nVidia has upgraded the NV3X core?
 
even if NV36 comes along @ $199 i dont think any budget card can come close to the price/performance of the radeon 9700 non-pro @ $215
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: oldfart
Originally posted by: Ferocious
I think my 1 year old 9700PRO will last me all the way until my next system. A PCI Express system.

What an awesome card. 🙂
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Yeah, people who bought a 9700P are getting a lot of mileage from them. I put a ZM80A-HP passive heatpipe cooler on mine. I'll keep it for awhile longer until the next big thing.
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heatpipes are active cooling
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I thought no fan = passive cooling? What makes heatpipe active?
 
any company that says that gpus wont be the focus of the company soon isnt gonna get my money. Thats like asus getting out of the mobo buisness and into the processor buisness. You wonder why via's processors arent widely used....
 
Originally posted by: oldfart
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: oldfart
Originally posted by: Ferocious
I think my 1 year old 9700PRO will last me all the way until my next system. A PCI Express system.

What an awesome card. 🙂
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Yeah, people who bought a 9700P are getting a lot of mileage from them. I put a ZM80A-HP passive heatpipe cooler on mine. I'll keep it for awhile longer until the next big thing.
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heatpipes are active cooling
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I thought no fan = passive cooling? What makes heatpipe active?
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I agree no moving parts = passive.
Convective flow of the liquid in the heatpipe.
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So the flow of thermal energy through a normal heat sink makes it an active cooler? What's the difference is the material that is performing the heat exchange is liquid at the temperature it operates at? If I somehow (hypothetically) made a mercury heatsink would that make it anymore active then an alluminum heatsink?

Thorin
 
To get us back on topic, Nordichardware has their FX5950 (DET 52.16) /9800XT (CAT 3.8) benches up:

Starts Here

Edit: If you only play OpenGL games, nVidia is the way to go. Otherwise, ATi is still in the driver's seat. ATi needs to explain why nVidia's OGL performance is so much better.
 
Surely a passive cooling method is one that relies on external cooling efforts to dissipate heat (ambient airflow), whereas an active one relies on cooling itself through whatever means (fan, etc)?

Don't know where this sits with the heatpipe != passive thing though 🙂
 
For the record, I also believe that a heatpipe cooler is passive. The flow of the liquid is the only concept I could think of that would make one believe that it was an active device.

In summary, trying to pigeonhole a cooler in this fashion is far to anal for me. 🙂
 
I kinda wonder when ATI will wisen up and stop making Non-Pro products....
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Probably when they have perfect yields.......seems pretty wise to me to use the cores that don't pass hand speed binning for their pro cards for the NP lines. It also serves to enlarge the customer base by offering lessor, yet still potent cards at a lower price point. Maybe you have a different take?
 
Originally posted by: rbV5
I kinda wonder when ATI will wisen up and stop making Non-Pro products....
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Probably when they have perfect yields.......seems pretty wise to me to use the cores that don't pass hand speed binning for their pro cards for the NP lines. It also serves to enlarge the customer base by offering lessor, yet still potent cards at a lower price point. Maybe you have a different take?
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My take is, they're giving the customer something for nothing. Most of these nonpro cards are capable of pro level performance. It's stupid to sell them like that. People were making $150 9500s into $300 9700 Pros! Giving too much away.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
To get us back on topic, Nordichardware has their FX5950 (DET 52.16) /9800XT (CAT 3.8) benches up:

Starts Here

Edit: If you only play OpenGL games, nVidia is the way to go. Otherwise, ATi is still in the driver's seat. ATi needs to explain why nVidia's OGL performance is so much better.
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I can't read norwegan (or what ever language that is and spelled wrong) but from that charts, it sure looks like an even spread that each wins roughly half.

BTW, where did Bimmer Chick go ! I miss that link......
 
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