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ATi to demo DX11 chip tomorrow in Computex

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bgeh

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Seems that Charlie's moved over to a new site, but this time around I don't think disclaimers need apply (shockingly, this time around):

JUST BEFORE NOON Taipei time on Wendesday, ATI is going to to drop a bombshell on the graphics world, showing off working 40nm DX11 silicon. Nvidia has yet to tape out a DX11 part or put a 40nm chip on the market.

The cards that will be showed off are Evergreen/Cypress, what is commonly referred to as R870. That code name however is not used internally, so if you ever see any leaked specs or charts with R870 on them, they are flat out faked. There have been several of these bandied around, but they are all laughably off.

AMD promised that they would have DX11 cards out on the market by the Windows 7 launch, and barring a massive and as of yet undetected problem, it looks like they will make that with ease. In the mean time, at the company's Computex press conferences, Nvidia distinctly avoided any mention of DX11 or parts that run it..

Mid-day tomorrow, the winners and losers for the next 2-3 quarters will become very very clear.
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http://www.semiaccurate.com/20...x11-hardware-tomorrow/

Reason why this is probably accurate? The following link from Twitter:
http://twitter.com/CatalystMaker , and him linking to the site must give it some corroboration to that article at least.

Who wants to see DirectX11 hardware running?? http://budurl.com/h2bc #computex
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Sourced from Beyond3D's site: http://forum.beyond3d.com/show...ad.php?t=49120&page=29

Doubt they'll release any performance benchmarks though, but let's hope otherwise 😀
 
Interesting... but, they need to release something along the lines of benchmarks and/or specs, or they might as well just demo a 4890. It's not like we'd know the difference.
 
Why do others seem to think that GT300 has taped out already?

His fascination with showing of DX11 parts and getting them out when there wont be any DX11 software boggles my mind. Wait, no it doesnt.

I think most people who are sitting on GT200 and 4XXX are going to want to see benchmarks and pricing from both companies before they shell out money on the next gen. That is, unless nV's are delayed enough to the point where people are missing out on DX11 games, or die-hards that wouldnt buy from the other company anyway.
 
Originally posted by: OCguy
Why do others seem to think that GT300 has taped out already?

His fascination with showing of DX11 parts and getting them out when there wont be any DX11 software boggles my mind. Wait, no it doesnt.

I think most people who are sitting on GT200 and 4XXX are going to want to see benchmarks and pricing from both companies before they shell out money on the next gen. That is, unless nV's are delayed enough to the point where people are missing out on DX11 games, or die-hards that wouldnt buy from the other company anyway.
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I agree, it really doesn't matter if AMD gets DX11 parts out sooner than Nvidia so long as Nvidia launches in time for DX11 games. When the 8800GTX/S was launched people bought them for their DX9 performance, I see this up coming generation being very similar. But like the 8800GTX/S, if AMD has something out for a few months that is head and shoulders above what is available now they'll get a lot of sales until Nvidia can answer. That is what might hurt Nvidia, if AMD is really that far ahead in launching their next gen part, but not because it can run DX11 code.

*edit - I am looking forward to whatever info is released tomorrow, yet I bet I'll be disappointed and we'll be left with about as much 'hard' info as we have now... none.
 
To be honest I'm more interested in the performance leaps we've come to expect with every 'new' architecture, not in the DX11, but I doubt we'll see any performance figures tomorrow, but it might hint that they're going to be launched sooner rather than later, which is always a good thing in my book 🙂
 
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I agree, it really doesn't matter if AMD gets DX11 parts out sooner than Nvidia so long as Nvidia launches in time for DX11 games. When the 8800GTX/S was launched people bought them for their DX9 performance, I see this up coming generation being very similar. But like the 8800GTX/S, if AMD has something out for a few months that is head and shoulders above what is available now they'll get a lot of sales until Nvidia can answer. That is what might hurt Nvidia, if AMD is really that far ahead in launching their next gen part, but not because it can run DX11 code.

*edit - I am looking forward to whatever info is released tomorrow, yet I bet I'll be disappointed and we'll be left with about as much 'hard' info as we have now... none.
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I've no doubt there is a psychological effect, but what is the magnitude?

If I were to buy a GPU in 4 months and my choices were gobs of DX10/.1 GPU's on the shelf versus the only ones that have DX11 proudly advertised then I'd prolly be looking at a DX11 part just because I'm not hip to the prospects of buying last-years model.

I agree it was DX9 performance that made 8800 a justified and worthy purchase, but how many people bought it simply for the sake they didn't want to buy something that stood the chance of being immediately outdated tomorrow when they put the non-DX10 GPU in their rig?

Was it a minor percentage of buyers, or a significant percentage? The same effect is hanging out there for AMD if they snag the DX11 brass ring first. But then again NV has got to know this, if it is true, because they experienced it firsthand on their sales so wouldn't they have planned accordingly to have some token DX11 compliant part ready well in advance too? (again presuming the effect is large and not minor)
 
Originally posted by: bgeh
To be honest I'm more interested in the performance leaps we've come to expect with every 'new' architecture, not in the DX11, but I doubt we'll see any performance figures tomorrow, but it might hint that they're going to be launched sooner rather than later, which is always a good thing in my book 🙂
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Hype building is what it is. Aside from putting out a damn fine gpu with the 4000 series, they also learned how to work the media much better then they had before.
 
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I agree, it really doesn't matter if AMD gets DX11 parts out sooner than Nvidia so long as Nvidia launches in time for DX11 games. When the 8800GTX/S was launched people bought them for their DX9 performance, I see this up coming generation being very similar. But like the 8800GTX/S, if AMD has something out for a few months that is head and shoulders above what is available now they'll get a lot of sales until Nvidia can answer. That is what might hurt Nvidia, if AMD is really that far ahead in launching their next gen part, but not because it can run DX11 code.

*edit - I am looking forward to whatever info is released tomorrow, yet I bet I'll be disappointed and we'll be left with about as much 'hard' info as we have now... none.
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I've no doubt there is a psychological effect, but what is the magnitude?

If I were to buy a GPU in 4 months and my choices were gobs of DX10/.1 GPU's on the shelf versus the only ones that have DX11 proudly advertised then I'd prolly be looking at a DX11 part just because I'm not hip to the prospects of buying last-years model.

I agree it was DX9 performance that made 8800 a justified and worthy purchase, but how many people bought it simply for the sake they didn't want to buy something that stood the chance of being immediately outdated tomorrow when they put the non-DX10 GPU in their rig?

Was it a minor percentage of buyers, or a significant percentage? The same effect is hanging out there for AMD if they snag the DX11 brass ring first. But then again NV has got to know this, if it is true, because they experienced it firsthand on their sales so wouldn't they have planned accordingly to have some token DX11 compliant part ready well in advance too? (again presuming the effect is large and not minor)
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If the 8800 cards performed similarly to say the GeForce 79x0 or the Radeon 19x0 cards, but cost more to have DX10 capability, I'm not sure if they would have been the success they were. But, they also offered performance over just about anything from the previous generation, I think the 8800GTX was generally as fast to faster than two 1950XT's in Crossfire at launch. I think that DX9 performance really sold those parts.

Now if AMD launches a DX11 part, I guess it depends on the performance over what we have now, but as you said there will be a psychological effect to some degree I'm sure. DX11 is a bigger number than DX10, so it must be better... or at least that's what some people will think.

It's kind of funny to me that DX11 is so close, I think all the games I play but one are DX9 yet. Age of Conan is the only game I own that can run with DX10 code. It seems like we're still waiting for DX10 to become mainstream and it's already being replaced.
 
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
If the 8800 cards performed similarly to say the GeForce 79x0 or the Radeon 19x0 cards, but cost more to have DX10 capability, I'm not sure if they would have been the success they were. But, they also offered performance over just about anything from the previous generation, I think the 8800GTX was generally as fast to faster than two 1950XT's in Crossfire at launch. I think that DX9 performance really sold those parts.

Now if AMD launches a DX11 part, I guess it depends on the performance over what we have now, but as you said there will be a psychological effect to some degree I'm sure. DX11 is a bigger number than DX10, so it must be better... or at least that's what some people will think.

It's kind of funny to me that DX11 is so close, I think all the games I play but one are DX9 yet. Age of Conan is the only game I own that can run with DX10 code. It seems like we're still waiting for DX10 to become mainstream and it's already being replaced.
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You're definitely right about G80. ATI is making a good move by doing this though. Most of the people on the forums giving advice to potential video card buyers right now are suggesting to wait until next gen if possible. So, clearly the enthusiast market is no longer interested in GT2xx/RV7xx, and we're hungry for some excitement on the gpu front. ATI is just giving us what we want, and I'm sure some people will pull the trigger just to play with a new toy without waiting to see what NVIDIA has to offer. Even more so if the new card performs somewhere close to a 4870 X2, but with a single gpu.
 
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: bgeh
To be honest I'm more interested in the performance leaps we've come to expect with every 'new' architecture, not in the DX11, but I doubt we'll see any performance figures tomorrow, but it might hint that they're going to be launched sooner rather than later, which is always a good thing in my book 🙂
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Hype building is what it is. Aside from putting out a damn fine gpu with the 4000 series, they also learned how to work the media much better then they had before.
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Fair enough, but most new architectures do tend to bring in significant improvements in performance each generation (can't think of many exceptions, maybe HD2000->HD3000? But then that was R600 -> RV670 architecture wise)

Though after giving this some more thought this might be quite a good strategy PR wise for ATi/AMD, they don't have the leading single GPU solution right now, and only have offerings in the mid-high range of GPUs, thus showing off their latest 'halo' product which promises more performance than their current solutions, and quite probably beating the GTX285 would probably lead to enthusiasts following the news who intend to buy the GTX285 to stop and wait and see, while those wanting to buy the HD4890s will be less affected to some degree because they're buying 'value' instead of for the 'halo' effect.

or putting it another way: They have much less to lose by making this kind of product announcement, and less of a risk of cannibalising their own sales, vs. nVidia which would probably cannibalise their own sales if they made the same announcement. Instead they get to cannibalise nVidia's sales with that pre-launch.
 
Originally posted by: SirPauly
The video was working -- but now is private, hehe!🙂
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I watched it before it went private...it was pretty but I failed to comprehend what it was that I was looking at that was enabled by DX11 and not doable via DX10.

It was neat nonethless...still waiting for photorealism though.
 
Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
It's kind of funny to me that DX11 is so close, I think all the games I play but one are DX9 yet. Age of Conan is the only game I own that can run with DX10 code. It seems like we're still waiting for DX10 to become mainstream and it's already being replaced.
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Kind of like Vista itself. DX10 is meeting the same fate.
But both 7 and Vista will have DX11, and DX11 supports ray tracing so a fast move from DX10 can be expected. I consider DX11 and 7 to basically be what DX10/Vista was meant to be originally, and the move to the new platform will be what MS wanted for Vista. Basically fulfilling what the people want.

Originally posted by: nitromullet
ATI is just giving us what we want, and I'm sure some people will pull the trigger just to play with a new toy without waiting to see what NVIDIA has to offer. Even more so if the new card performs somewhere close to a 4870 X2, but with a single gpu.
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You can count me in on that, I'm going to be buying a 5870 on launch. I don't care what Nvidia has waiting.. their drivers are no longer the gold standard, they mess around with goofy ideas too much anymore and it'll take too long and I'm happy with today's cards performance, just want DX11 if I'm going to upgrade anything. I like ATIs approach to their cards.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
It's already happened:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/0...-first-directx-11-gpu/
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Pretty cool, I wish there was a bit more info on what they showcased. Maybe a video will show up on YouTube or something.

They mentioned how their DX11 GPU's will seamlessly work with the CPU to speed up some applications. That's pretty cool to me. I think that is AMD's advantage, they have a complete platform that can balance loads to the GPU or CPU depending on what the application is.
 
Originally posted by: thilan29
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=724
"At the very least, we can expect the upcoming chip to be slightly faster than the current HD 4890, but with the added bonus of full DX11 support."

That's not good if it's only "slightly faster" than the 4890. Still waiting for encoding (not transcoding) to be sped up by the GPU.
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I would hope it's atleast slightly faster than a 4870x2. Also ATi Stream encoding works just fine with Cyberlink PowerDirector 7 and Espresso MediaShow.
 
Just a note, anybody can program in DirectX 11 right now. Just download the latest SDK in Vista (and maybe Win7).

Almost everybody will be simply skipping DirectX 10 to move to DirectX 11... I know I will! =)
 
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: SirPauly
The video was working -- but now is private, hehe!🙂
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I watched it before it went private...it was pretty but I failed to comprehend what it was that I was looking at that was enabled by DX11 and not doable via DX10.

It was neat nonethless...still waiting for photorealism though.
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Well, now that tessellation is officially included in DX11, I'm guessing it was simply showing what tessellation is and the benefits to be realized through triangle count reduction without reducing overall quality by a corresponding amount.

Oh, and the video is back up again at a new link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eTngR6M37Q
 
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