Ati talks smack about Nvidia's 512mb gtx

[ta8218]

actually, none of the video cards should be priced over 300 dollars. My reasoning is that you can go buy an xbox 360, and you get really good game playing power out of it. And what does it cost, like 500 or soemthing? well AFTER you get past the video card you need a processor, memory, power supply, hard drive(s), dvd drive, a case, a motherboard, and anything else youre going to need. And i know the computer will do alot more than play games, but 500 dollars just to make it play games really well? ontop of what the rest of the computer cost? idunno.. Now i dont want some jerk coming back with a retarded reply trying to be an ass, so all of you... just chill. Im just trying to say that all video cards are overpriced. Who likes paying 500 dollars for a video card then 4 months later its outdated, and maybe worth half of what you paid for it? And in a year it really struggles with the new games.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: ta8218
actually, none of the video cards should be priced over 300 dollars. My reasoning is that you can go buy an xbox 360, and you get really good game playing power out of it. And what does it cost, like 500 or soemthing? well AFTER you get past the video card you need a processor, memory, power supply, hard drive(s), dvd drive, a case, a motherboard, and anything else youre going to need. And i know the computer will do alot more than play games, but 500 dollars just to make it play games really well? ontop of what the rest of the computer cost? idunno.. Now i dont want some jerk coming back with a retarded reply trying to be an ass, so all of you... just chill. Im just trying to say that all video cards are overpriced. Who likes paying 500 dollars for a video card then 4 months later its outdated, and maybe worth half of what you paid for it? And in a year it really struggles with the new games.

I akin the current prices for GPU's as to an obessed gambler who is never satisfied with their winning(aka the enthusiast community) and as long as he stays at the table the dealer(ATi, nVidia) keeps dealing cards...the release of the nvidia 7800GTX 512 is proof positive...it sold out almost immediately upon arrival because demand was *that* high from people...and as long as people are willing to pay 700 bucks(or more) for a GPU then ATI and nvidia will keep pricing things higher.....

 

[ta8218]

Honesly, i think if they dropped the price 100 dollars, they would make more money in the long run. More people would be able to afford it, and a better price from say nvidia, would make ATI look rally bad (more money less performance). And I think it would work well. Instead of a somewhat small number of people paying 700, you could get maybe twice as many reasoning that $599 isnt so bad, and they might go out and buy them. Its not like it costs them any more to produce them. How much do you think it costs nvidia to make one 7800 gtx 512? Idunno what they pay in labor, but im guessing 20 dollars. I mean for the materials. That sounds about right. Ill call it 40 after they pay employees and everything. I mean, building a 5200 128 will probably cost around the same! its just they can pack more into the 7800.. rite?

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

It has fewer pipes, runs hotter, uses more power at idle, inferior drivers, designed by ATi, overpriced.

There's no reason why it should be priced above $200.

Does it matter that it has fewer pipes? It can beat a GTX despite having only 16 pipes. Yes it runs hot but anyone who buys a card this expensive should have a good case so that doesn't really matter. It does use more power at idle but anyone buying a card this expensive should have a good PSU. ATI's drivers are inferior in some ways and superior in others, just because you think ATI's drivers are inferior doesn't mean everyone else thinks so. Who cares if it was designed by ATI? This just shows biased you are. Saying overpriced is redundant because you then state that it should be a lower price then it is now.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

It has fewer pipes, runs hotter, uses more power at idle, inferior drivers, designed by ATi, overpriced.

There's no reason why it should be priced above $200.

Does it matter that it has fewer pipes? It can beat a GTX despite having only 16 pipes. Yes it runs hot but anyone who buys a card this expensive should have a good case so that doesn't really matter. It does use more power at idle but anyone buying a card this expensive should have a good PSU. ATI's drivers are inferior in some ways and superior in others, just because you think ATI's drivers are inferior doesn't mean everyone else thinks so. Who cares if it was designed by ATI? This just shows biased you are. Saying overpriced is redundant because you then state that it should be a lower price then it is now.

I think he mentions that stuff because it has always been the standard comeback of ATI fans to say that ATI products are cooler, quieter, smaller, and use less power, and that this is all indicative of better engineering.

Now that they're louder, bigger, use more power, and hotter, ATI fans seem to have done a 180 turnaround and state "That stuff is to be expected on enthusiast hardware!".

What's odd is that after hearing it from ATI fans all the way from the 9700Pro to the X800XT PE, the ATI fans seem to think those of us with no particular brand loyalty have forgotten them saying it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

I think there are a multitude of things on this board that upsets you. Otherwise, you'd never come here. You like the conflict. You like expressing your self appointed superiority over other "ignorant" members whether they are just expressing their opinions or not. It is never necessary to speak to others the way you do, but you do it all the time. And you get off on it. In my experience, people who enjoy something tend to try and do it again and again. Comments like: "Not that what you tell me to do matters" was an ego defense. Your ego is larger than life and that will always backfire on you throughout your life and I'm SURE it has. You know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, Happy Holidays.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

It has fewer pipes, runs hotter, uses more power at idle, inferior drivers, designed by ATi, overpriced.

There's no reason why it should be priced above $200.

Pipes dont matter, if the performance is there, which it is. Hotter? Its pretty close, with some reviews showing it with in a few C's of each other. Also, remember that the drivers out before the launch, incorrectly showed the temps being higher than what they were. Uses more power at idle? Who cares about that? It doesnt make any difference. If your system cant run the cards when they are running under a load, and using the most power, they sure cant run it at idle anways. Inferior drivers? Thats your opinion, not fact. Designed by ATi is a bad thing? Way to show your neutrality, or in this case, lack there of. Over priced? Its the same MSRP as the GTX. The GTX is cheaper because its been out longer. Prices have already dropped a lot in the few weeks its been on the market.

Saying that the XT shouldnt be above $200 is nothing short of... well I cant say what here. I guess the GTX should be about $150, since its slower, and doesnt have as advanced features. But then I guess I have to take account in who wrote it. You claimed to have had the GTX and XT well before anyone.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


I think there are a multitude of things on this board that upsets you. Otherwise, you'd never come here. You like the conflict. You like expressing your self appointed superiority over other "ignorant" members whether they are just expressing their opinions or not. It is never necessary to speak to others the way you do, but you do it all the time. And you get off on it. In my experience, people who enjoy something tend to try and do it again and again. Comments like: "Not that what you tell me to do matters" was an ego defense. Your ego is larger than life and that will always backfire on you throughout your life and I'm SURE it has. You know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, Happy Holidays.

Whatever you think, doc. You said you were sticking to the FS/Hot deal forums, yet you came back, sadly. Who likes it now? If I liked confrontation, I wouldnt have ignored one of the most trolling posters here, now would I? I point out ignorance when I see it, like from above. I never said I was superior to anyone here. There are many things I am ignorant about. However, the difference is, I try to not go acting like I know what I am talking about, when I dont. Feel free to point out when I do. I dont know what you're talking about, I have a GREAT life.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

I think there are a multitude of things on this board that upsets you. Otherwise, you'd never come here. You like the conflict. You like expressing your self appointed superiority over other "ignorant" members whether they are just expressing their opinions or not. It is never necessary to speak to others the way you do, but you do it all the time. And you get off on it. In my experience, people who enjoy something tend to try and do it again and again. Comments like: "Not that what you tell me to do matters" was an ego defense. Your ego is larger than life and that will always backfire on you throughout your life and I'm SURE it has. You know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, Happy Holidays.

Sadly, QFT.

Not just here either. You can see the same sort of stuff on B3d, HardOCP, and Rage3d, probably other places as well.

Ackmed is also Emilee at Rage3d, Fall Guy at HardOCP, and I think B3d.

What I have to wonder if he's really ATI PR staff? I post a fair amount here because I like this community and it's one of my hobbies.

Ackmed posts a lot everywhere- who has the time to do that?!?!

I don't really care if he's ATI PR, but if he is I wish he'd leak us some news about the good stuff they have upcoming every now and again.

If some guy like me on the outer edge of nowhere can get a few scoops for the board, you'd think he could if he's staff?

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo

If some guy like me on the outer edge of nowhere can get a few scoops for the board, you'd think he could if he's staff?

Rollo, your latest "scoop" was basically this:

'Hey guys, you know that 512MB GTX that you already know is coming? Well, it's gonna be really great. I can't tell you anything else except it will be widely available and competitively priced.'

If that's what you consider a scoop to be, you can keep it.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

I think there are a multitude of things on this board that upsets you. Otherwise, you'd never come here. You like the conflict. You like expressing your self appointed superiority over other "ignorant" members whether they are just expressing their opinions or not. It is never necessary to speak to others the way you do, but you do it all the time. And you get off on it. In my experience, people who enjoy something tend to try and do it again and again. Comments like: "Not that what you tell me to do matters" was an ego defense. Your ego is larger than life and that will always backfire on you throughout your life and I'm SURE it has. You know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, Happy Holidays.

Dude. that's very irritiating when you write a post insulting someone and then turn around at the end and give a snide "Happy Holidays". Do that to me and I'll tell you where to put your Happy Holidays.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

It has fewer pipes, runs hotter, uses more power at idle, inferior drivers, designed by ATi, overpriced.

There's no reason why it should be priced above $200.

This is such an idiotic statement, it doesn't deserve a response.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo

If some guy like me on the outer edge of nowhere can get a few scoops for the board, you'd think he could if he's staff?

Rollo, your latest "scoop" was basically this:

'Hey guys, you know that 512MB GTX that you already know is coming? Well, it's gonna be really great. I can't tell you anything else except it will be widely available and competitively priced.'

If that's what you consider a scoop to be, you can keep it.

The problem with this is you didn't know it was coming because no one had leaked the info before me.

I told you I had seen the pricing, specs, and availability and that it would be unlikely the X1800XT would beat it to market, and that if it did, this card would be available a few days later.

Given the number of people who PMd and thanked me for keeping them from making buying mistakes, and the number of crossposts I got in forums I've never heard of, I'd say my "scoop" was a little better than the value you assign to it Morph. At HardOCP they actually shut my thread down because they felt it came too close to violating NDA?

Or how about my last "scoop" when I told you all that nVidia had drivers in the works that would supposedly eliminate the shimmer between mip transitions? Before anyone else in the world posted this info?

The only time I've given AT forums "bad info" is when I got a hold of the PureVideo white papers long before nV had stopped trying to make every feature work on the nV40 line and told you guys they were working on it, and that from what I read in the white papers, it should work. It turned out that it didn't a few months later, but there's no way I could have known that based on the info supplied.

What's most interesting Morph is that most gamers here want any info they can get, as soon as they can get it, as long as it's accurate.

You're a strange sort, telling me to keep my info to myself. Why? Do you want to wait till someone else leaks it to The Inquirer? 😕

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo

The problem with this is you didn't know it was coming because no one had leaked the info before me.

You're full of it. The Inquirer was the first to report that there was a 512MB GTX coming. You just told everyone afterwards that your buddy had told you the specs and that it was going to be a great card. Of course you gave absolutely no details. You didn't actually leak any info that anyone didn't know already. All you were doing is hyping Nvidia products like you always do, you didn't scoop a damn thing.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

It has fewer pipes, runs hotter, uses more power at idle, inferior drivers, designed by ATi, overpriced.

There's no reason why it should be priced above $200.

LOL, that's briliant. Did you come up with that yourself or did Rollo give you some tips? The XT is just fine where it is - priced between the 256gtx and the 512gtx. It beats the 256gtx in almost every game, has newer features, better IQ, and you want it to sell for $200? Hmmm... Lets see, I think the 512gtx should be selling for $100 because with blocky shadows and shimmering textures it sure doesnt seem like a good deal at $700.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

It has fewer pipes, runs hotter, uses more power at idle, inferior drivers, designed by ATi, overpriced.

There's no reason why it should be priced above $200.

Pipes dont matter, if the performance is there, which it is. Hotter? Its pretty close, with some reviews showing it with in a few C's of each other. Also, remember that the drivers out before the launch, incorrectly showed the temps being higher than what they were. Uses more power at idle? Who cares about that? It doesnt make any difference. If your system cant run the cards when they are running under a load, and using the most power, they sure cant run it at idle anways. Inferior drivers? Thats your opinion, not fact. Designed by ATi is a bad thing? Way to show your neutrality, or in this case, lack there of. Over priced? Its the same MSRP as the GTX. The GTX is cheaper because its been out longer. Prices have already dropped a lot in the few weeks its been on the market.

Saying that the XT shouldnt be above $200 is nothing short of... well I cant say what here. I guess the GTX should be about $150, since its slower, and doesnt have as advanced features. But then I guess I have to take account in who wrote it. You claimed to have had the GTX and XT well before anyone.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


I think there are a multitude of things on this board that upsets you. Otherwise, you'd never come here. You like the conflict. You like expressing your self appointed superiority over other "ignorant" members whether they are just expressing their opinions or not. It is never necessary to speak to others the way you do, but you do it all the time. And you get off on it. In my experience, people who enjoy something tend to try and do it again and again. Comments like: "Not that what you tell me to do matters" was an ego defense. Your ego is larger than life and that will always backfire on you throughout your life and I'm SURE it has. You know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, Happy Holidays.

Whatever you think, doc. You said you were sticking to the FS/Hot deal forums, yet you came back, sadly. Who likes it now? If I liked confrontation, I wouldnt have ignored one of the most trolling posters here, now would I? I point out ignorance when I see it, like from above. I never said I was superior to anyone here. There are many things I am ignorant about. However, the difference is, I try to not go acting like I know what I am talking about, when I dont. Feel free to point out when I do. I dont know what you're talking about, I have a GREAT life.

I'm very glad you have a GREAT life. Now try to pass on the GREATNESS that is you to the rest of the lesser folk, by being a little more friendly. It's the least you can do for being fortunate enough to have said GREAT life.

 

[CKXP]

personally i find the 1800xt a very impressive card, so i can't understand why so many people try to pwnz on it all the time. in the single card market, it takes a 24pipe monster from NV to out perform it, and even then the 1800xt still holds it own. it may be overpriced, but so is the 512MB GTX.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

I think there are a multitude of things on this board that upsets you. Otherwise, you'd never come here. You like the conflict. You like expressing your self appointed superiority over other "ignorant" members whether they are just expressing their opinions or not. It is never necessary to speak to others the way you do, but you do it all the time. And you get off on it. In my experience, people who enjoy something tend to try and do it again and again. Comments like: "Not that what you tell me to do matters" was an ego defense. Your ego is larger than life and that will always backfire on you throughout your life and I'm SURE it has. You know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, Happy Holidays.

Dude. that's very irritiating when you write a post insulting someone and then turn around at the end and give a snide "Happy Holidays". Do that to me and I'll tell you where to put your Happy Holidays.

Happy Holidays MORPH.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo

If some guy like me on the outer edge of nowhere can get a few scoops for the board, you'd think he could if he's staff?

Rollo, your latest "scoop" was basically this:

'Hey guys, you know that 512MB GTX that you already know is coming? Well, it's gonna be really great. I can't tell you anything else except it will be widely available and competitively priced.'

If that's what you consider a scoop to be, you can keep it.

Of course you missed the "meat" of Rollo's "scoop. He said, "It would be the card to own this holiday season bar none" and "ATI cannot compete" and he was correct. Probably made a lot of people hold off on a X1800XT purchase to at least see what the 512GTX was about. And it seems that it cleaned ATI's clock just as he said it would. So, I think you can keep your "out of context" BS quote. We at least pretend to see was is placed right in front of our faces. You, well, closing your eyes and holding your ears chanting "la la la la laaaaaa" at the top of your lungs isn't going to make the 512GTX any less formidable. Correct?

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Happy Holidays MORPH.

Thanks but no thanks. I don't like phony, insincere friendliness.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Happy Holidays MORPH.

Thanks but no thanks. I don't like phony, insincere friendliness.

You and I both. That's why I meant it. So, I'll try again.

Happy Holidays.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Happy Holidays MORPH.

Thanks but no thanks. I don't like phony, insincere friendliness.

:beer: Have a real happy Holidays.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo

If some guy like me on the outer edge of nowhere can get a few scoops for the board, you'd think he could if he's staff?

Rollo, your latest "scoop" was basically this:

'Hey guys, you know that 512MB GTX that you already know is coming? Well, it's gonna be really great. I can't tell you anything else except it will be widely available and competitively priced.'

If that's what you consider a scoop to be, you can keep it.

Of course you missed the "meat" of Rollo's "scoop. He said, "It would be the card to own this holiday season bar none" and "ATI cannot compete" and he was correct. Probably made a lot of people hold off on a X1800XT purchase to at least see what the 512GTX was about. And it seems that it cleaned ATI's clock just as he said it would. So, I think you can keep your "out of context" BS quote. We at least pretend to see was is placed right in front of our faces. You, well, closing your eyes and holding your ears chanting "la la la la laaaaaa" at the top of your lungs isn't going to make the 512GTX any less formidable. Correct?

Like I said in my followup, all he was doing was hyping Nvidia. He gave no details so there was no scoop. Didn't take too much to guess that Nvidia would cook up something to beat the XT. And did he really do anyone a favor when he told them to wait because the card was going to be plentiful and priced low, when in fact this has turned out to be dead wrong?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo

The problem with this is you didn't know it was coming because no one had leaked the info before me.

You're full of it. The Inquirer was the first to report that there was a 512MB GTX coming. You just told everyone afterwards that your buddy had told you the specs and that it was going to be a great card. Of course you gave absolutely no details. You didn't actually leak any info that anyone didn't know already. All you were doing is hyping Nvidia products like you always do, you didn't scoop a damn thing.

Link to an Inquirer article posting what I said on a date prior to my post? You had to know I would ask, how about the link?

As far as availability and price, I knew it would be at many dealers and MSRP $659.. nVidia told me they thought street price would be $600..

They can't force etailers not to price gouge.

What's more interesting here is I don't think I've ever seen you post any useful info Morph. While you're looking for that Inquirer post that predates mine, could you please post links to a couple of threads you've done somethingother than flame?

You know, "judge not, lest ye be judged"?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

It has fewer pipes, runs hotter, uses more power at idle, inferior drivers, designed by ATi, overpriced.

There's no reason why it should be priced above $200.

LOL, that's briliant. Did you come up with that yourself or did Rollo give you some tips? The XT is just fine where it is - priced between the 256gtx and the 512gtx. It beats the 256gtx in almost every game, has newer features, better IQ, and you want it to sell for $200? Hmmm... Lets see, I think the 512gtx should be selling for $100 because with blocky shadows and shimmering textures it sure doesnt seem like a good deal at $700.

I think the market is telling us which card is superior Munky. Note the 512 GTXs price rising as time goes by while the XTs price plummets?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am chilled. Nothing on this board upsets me, even though some try. Not that what you tell me to do matters.. What I did was point out serious flaws in his logic. Saying the XT should be $300 is just nonesense, and you know it.

It has fewer pipes, runs hotter, uses more power at idle, inferior drivers, designed by ATi, overpriced.

There's no reason why it should be priced above $200.

LOL, that's briliant. Did you come up with that yourself or did Rollo give you some tips? The XT is just fine where it is - priced between the 256gtx and the 512gtx. It beats the 256gtx in almost every game, has newer features, better IQ, and you want it to sell for $200? Hmmm... Lets see, I think the 512gtx should be selling for $100 because with blocky shadows and shimmering textures it sure doesnt seem like a good deal at $700.

I think the market is telling us which card is superior Munky. Note the 512 GTXs price rising as time goes by while the XTs price plummets?

Ah, that could also be attributed to the greater supply of the XTs than the 512gtx. In that case it's only logical for the XT to drop in price (as it should) or for the GTX to increase in price as supply runs short and price gouging sets in. There are also 512mb 6800ultras selling for around $700 in limited quantities, but when supply is short the price is not an indication of how good the card is.