ATi...Talk about service

[Randolphjo]

Originally posted by: DJQuanta
If ATI sent you that card and the chips are Samsung brand I think they are for sure 2.8ns chips, anyway you can check them by the code because they have a long number and after that there's a dash "-" and a combination of letters and numbers. One of those numbers must be "2".

My 9800 PRO (arrives today but my sister sent me the code a couple of days ago) has samsung chips with the code "K4D263238E-GC2A" ...... the 2A means 2.8ns chips.

You can check the following link to check your memory chips:

What memory speed?

I do believe that since is a new card and is built by ATI it must have an R360 core, from what I've gather by reading other threads most newer ATI 9800 Pros comes with the R360 core, it's true that the only way to know for sure is to remove the HSF.

Anyway I think you should keep the 6600 GT, AFAIK is a superior card specially with recent games. Put the 9800 PRO up for auction on eBay, I got mine on ebay and paid $160 (used), most brand new ATI 9800 pro get sell for around $200. I would've get a 6600 GT, but since I'm outside the US the Newegg guys won't accept my local credit card ( and my sister who lives in the US didn't have enuff money right to spare on a vid card for her beloved brother :laugh: ), so I had to settle for anything I could get on eBay, and the 6600 GT are currently too expensive there (around $230 shipped).

Cheers

I ran my Samsung Memory chips part number on the website you linked to and apparently I did receive the 2.8 chips with my replacement ATI 9800 PRO 128MB AGP video card. Per the memory speed site, the info for my Samsung memory Part # K4D26323RA-GC2A is as follows:

Manufacturer: Samsung
Part #: K4D26323RA-GC2A
Size: 128 MBit 'A' die
Speed: 2.8 ns
Package: uBGA 144

I still haven't done anything with the card, but I'm sorely tempted to lift the heatsink to see if it has the R360 core. For some reason I think it does. I hate to mess with the card as I intend to get around to selling it sometime, and I want to sell it "virgin", new and unmessed with. But man...my curiosity is starting to get the better of me. Must....resist.........

If I do end up pulling the heatsink to verify the core, I'll either keep the 9800 Pro and try to softmod it, or just sell both - the 9800 Pro and the 6600 GT I recently purchased, and buy one of the 800 or 6800 series cards. Decisions decisions....
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[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
From what I've heard from other forum members over the years (combined with my own experience), ATI tends to try to send you a slightly lower model when you RMA. A 9700NP instead of a Pro for example.

Their service is indeed excellent though. I tend to go with ATI for the following reasons:

-2D image quality
-consistent high build quality
-5 year warranty on retail cards, and I think 3 years on built-by ATI OEM cards

There's always price/performance, but 2D image quality is a huge concern for me. I find the research involved in finding an nVidia w/ good 2D output too time consuming. Even after the research is done, you have to find a store with availability.

Two words.

Digital Vibrance.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: Spike
This give me hope for my brothers 9600pro that has the broken capacitor. Hopefully they will repair/replace it. Either that or I have to help him buy a 6600GT (I am kinda the one who broke it...).

dunno about the IQ quality claim, I thought nVidia has greatly improved their IQ to where it about matches ATI's now? Either way my 6800GT looks as good as the 9600 pro, 8500, and old Radeon LE ever did.

-spike

The majority of the IQ issues weren't the product of nVidias reference designs. But of the board makers using substandard components. Which is still somewhat of an issue, though not to the extent that it used to be.

Avoid the extremely cheap OEMs and you wont have a problem.

 

[MegaWorks]

Good to hear ATI's good service.

 

[Tweakin]

It's all good, now I have a card to put up for sale on the forum...not sure what I'm gonna ask for it yet, but it will make someone very happy.

 

[Randolphjo]

Originally posted by: Tweakin
It's all good, now I have a card to put up for sale on the forum...not sure what I'm gonna ask for it yet, but it will make someone very happy.

Tweakin, congratulations on getting your replacement card. ATI does rock!!!

Well, I just had to know, so I took the heatsink off my new 9800 Pro, and found out it has the R350 core - not the R360. It would have been too much to expect - an upgrade on my RMA'ed card, 2.8ns chips AND a 360 core. I'm still very impressed with the warranty service by ATI, and couldn't be happier with their service.

BTW, I went ahead and installed the Arctic cooler on the new card. I'm going to install it this weekend just to check it out before I sell it. Hopefully that wasn't what killed my 9700 Pro. Got my fingers crossed...

 

[rbV5]

Why does the thread sub title "still" say "shipped out new 9800's for dead 9600's" when you clearly received a 9600XT for your dead 9600XT?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast
From what I've heard from other forum members over the years (combined with my own experience), ATI tends to try to send you a slightly lower model when you RMA. A 9700NP instead of a Pro for example.

Their service is indeed excellent though. I tend to go with ATI for the following reasons:

-2D image quality
-consistent high build quality
-5 year warranty on retail cards, and I think 3 years on built-by ATI OEM cards

There's always price/performance, but 2D image quality is a huge concern for me. I find the research involved in finding an nVidia w/ good 2D output too time consuming. Even after the research is done, you have to find a store with availability.

Two words.

Digital Vibrance.

Signal quality is the main concern with regard to 2D image quality, just an FYI. As for color, you need to calibrate your monitor (digital vibrance sounds like a marketing gimmick to me).

Debate on this issue is foolish. ATI has superior 2D output compared to nVidia. As a long-time member of these forums I'm certain you've seen the "My nVidia 2D output sucks" threads time and time again, even on the 6800-series cards.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast
From what I've heard from other forum members over the years (combined with my own experience), ATI tends to try to send you a slightly lower model when you RMA. A 9700NP instead of a Pro for example.

Their service is indeed excellent though. I tend to go with ATI for the following reasons:

-2D image quality
-consistent high build quality
-5 year warranty on retail cards, and I think 3 years on built-by ATI OEM cards

There's always price/performance, but 2D image quality is a huge concern for me. I find the research involved in finding an nVidia w/ good 2D output too time consuming. Even after the research is done, you have to find a store with availability.

Two words.

Digital Vibrance.

Signal quality is the main concern with regard to 2D image quality, just an FYI. As for color, you need to calibrate your monitor (digital vibrance sounds like a marketing gimmick to me).

Debate on this issue is foolish. ATI has superior 2D output compared to nVidia. As a long-time member of these forums I'm certain you've seen the "My nVidia 2D output sucks" threads time and time again, even on the 6800-series cards.

Yes i have, and on every single thread the card is XFX, Evga, Aopen, Jetway, or some other POS no name brand. (Evga has increased their build quality with the 6800 series, their FXs were terrible).

Leadtek, Gainward, Asus, Abit, Elsa (in europe), and BFG do not have any 2d problems.

I wonder if Powercolor radeons match Built by ATi and Sapphire quality.

Digital vibrance is not a marketing gimmick, and it clearly shows that youve never used the feature. Its not something thats even advertised on the boxes of nvidia cards anymore as its one of their older features.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast
From what I've heard from other forum members over the years (combined with my own experience), ATI tends to try to send you a slightly lower model when you RMA. A 9700NP instead of a Pro for example.

Their service is indeed excellent though. I tend to go with ATI for the following reasons:

-2D image quality
-consistent high build quality
-5 year warranty on retail cards, and I think 3 years on built-by ATI OEM cards

There's always price/performance, but 2D image quality is a huge concern for me. I find the research involved in finding an nVidia w/ good 2D output too time consuming. Even after the research is done, you have to find a store with availability.

Two words.

Digital Vibrance.

Signal quality is the main concern with regard to 2D image quality, just an FYI. As for color, you need to calibrate your monitor (digital vibrance sounds like a marketing gimmick to me).

Debate on this issue is foolish. ATI has superior 2D output compared to nVidia. As a long-time member of these forums I'm certain you've seen the "My nVidia 2D output sucks" threads time and time again, even on the 6800-series cards.

Yes i have, and on every single thread the card is XFX, Evga, Aopen, Jetway, or some other POS no name brand. (Evga has increased their build quality with the 6800 series, their FXs were terrible).

Leadtek, Gainward, Asus, Abit, Elsa (in europe), and BFG do not have any 2d problems.

I wonder if Powercolor radeons match Built by ATi and Sapphire quality.

Digital vibrance is not a marketing gimmick, and it clearly shows that youve never used the feature. Its not something thats even advertised on the boxes of nvidia cards anymore as its one of their older features.

These people DID use the "feature" and had mixed feelings about it. I personally like to listen to music the way it was intended to be heard, and I like my movies and games to reflect what the original artists intended. Just preference. Some people seem to like the feature.

Powercolor radeons do not match the Built-by ATI quality. My point remains that the Built-by ATI cards are widely available and there is no guesswork as to whether or not they will have good 2D output, build quality, or a crappy warranty.

Asus and the like are good on the nVidia end, but they still do not match ATI's 2D output. There was an article on Tom's Hardware not long ago comparing signal output, and even the Asus cards were dusted by the ATI ones on a DVI connection as far as I remember.

My point remains that Matrox>ATI>nVidia when it comes to 2D image quality. This is a widely substantiated fact.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast
From what I've heard from other forum members over the years (combined with my own experience), ATI tends to try to send you a slightly lower model when you RMA. A 9700NP instead of a Pro for example.

Their service is indeed excellent though. I tend to go with ATI for the following reasons:

-2D image quality
-consistent high build quality
-5 year warranty on retail cards, and I think 3 years on built-by ATI OEM cards

There's always price/performance, but 2D image quality is a huge concern for me. I find the research involved in finding an nVidia w/ good 2D output too time consuming. Even after the research is done, you have to find a store with availability.

Two words.

Digital Vibrance.

Signal quality is the main concern with regard to 2D image quality, just an FYI. As for color, you need to calibrate your monitor (digital vibrance sounds like a marketing gimmick to me).

Debate on this issue is foolish. ATI has superior 2D output compared to nVidia. As a long-time member of these forums I'm certain you've seen the "My nVidia 2D output sucks" threads time and time again, even on the 6800-series cards.

Yes i have, and on every single thread the card is XFX, Evga, Aopen, Jetway, or some other POS no name brand. (Evga has increased their build quality with the 6800 series, their FXs were terrible).

Leadtek, Gainward, Asus, Abit, Elsa (in europe), and BFG do not have any 2d problems.

I wonder if Powercolor radeons match Built by ATi and Sapphire quality.

Digital vibrance is not a marketing gimmick, and it clearly shows that youve never used the feature. Its not something thats even advertised on the boxes of nvidia cards anymore as its one of their older features.

These people DID use the "feature" and had mixed feelings about it. I personally like to listen to music the way it was intended to be heard, and I like my movies and games to reflect what the original artists intended. Just preference. Some people seem to like the feature.

Powercolor radeons do not match the Built-by ATI quality. My point remains that the Built-by ATI cards are widely available and there is no guesswork as to whether or not they will have good 2D output, build quality, or a crappy warranty.

Asus and the like are good on the nVidia end, but they still do not match ATI's 2D output. There was an article on Tom's Hardware not long ago comparing signal output, and even the Asus cards were dusted by the ATI ones on a DVI connection as far as I remember.

My point remains that Matrox>ATI>nVidia when it comes to 2D image quality. This is a widely substantiated fact.

1. its toms
2. every test is artificial in that review, they test for "DVI compliance".

The built by ATi cards are widely available? So are the good brands for NVIDIA, i dont see that argument.

I agree with matrox being better 2d than the other 2, but to say ATi has higher quality than nvidia is just not correct. Does a BBA X800Pro look better than a Jetway FX5200? Probably. Does a Powercolor Radeon 9200 look better than a Leadtek 6800 Ultra? Probably not.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
1. its toms
2. every test is artificial in that review, they test for "DVI compliance".

Ok man, you keep on believing nVidia has better 2D output than ATI. Quite frankly though, a member of your stature should not be spreading false information on the forums.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus
1. its toms
2. every test is artificial in that review, they test for "DVI compliance".

Ok man, you keep on believing nVidia has better 2D output than ATI. Quite frankly though, a member of your stature should not be spreading false information on the forums.

Nice of you to conveniently leave out the rest of the post. Which clearly shows how paintbrushing either company as better 2d quality is wrong.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus
1. its toms
2. every test is artificial in that review, they test for "DVI compliance".

Ok man, you keep on believing nVidia has better 2D output than ATI. Quite frankly though, a member of your stature should not be spreading false information on the forums.

Nice of you to conveniently leave out the rest of the post. Which clearly shows how paintbrushing either company as better 2d quality is wrong.

Nice of you to edit your post and add information after the fact, actually. Please don't accuse me of quoting you out of context as I did not.

Your initial response to this thread was "digital vibrance", and now you conveniently add that there are good nVidia manufacturers who, in your opinion, match ATI's 2D output quality.

Basically I'm calling you out on it because it is the widespread opinion of users on both sides of the fence that ATI has superior 2D output.

I have never heard Asus or Leadtek compared favorably against a Built-by ATI card. The best I've heard is that they're "almost as good as ATI". Even when I have read reviews where the nVidia card was said to have good 2D output, they were never running at 1600x1200 or higher at high refresh rates where the differences would be more noticeable. At such settings I am confident that no nVidia card will beat out something Built-by ATI.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus
1. its toms
2. every test is artificial in that review, they test for "DVI compliance".

Ok man, you keep on believing nVidia has better 2D output than ATI. Quite frankly though, a member of your stature should not be spreading false information on the forums.

Nice of you to conveniently leave out the rest of the post. Which clearly shows how paintbrushing either company as better 2d quality is wrong.

Nice of you to edit your post and add information after the fact, actually. Please don't accuse me of quoting you out of context as I did not.

Your initial response to this thread was "digital vibrance", and now you conveniently add that there are good nVidia manufacturers who, in your opinion, match ATI's 2D output quality.

Basically I'm calling you out on it because it is the widespread opinion of users on both sides of the fence that ATI has superior 2D output.

I have never heard Asus or Leadtek compared favorably against a Built-by ATI card. The best I've heard is that they're "almost as good as ATI". Even when I have read reviews where the nVidia card was said to have good 2D output, they were never running at 1600x1200 or higher at high refresh rates where the differences would be more noticeable. At such settings I am confident that no nVidia card will beat out something Built-by ATI.

So youve never tried it, but youre sure.

And my edit was before your post.

 

[rbV5]

My eVGA 6800 and AIW9700pro have very similar 2D IQ. I've had them both connected to my 22" CRT (The AIW using BNC cables) and to be honest up to 1600x1200@85Hz I couldn't pick one over the other as being superior in 2D IQ (They're both very good). I've read posts claiming poor 2d IQ with eVGA 6800 cards..so YMMV, but mine is great in that respect.

Digital Vibrance is also a decent feature, I actually used it more when I was using my Gainward ti4200 rig, but it is nice to have more control over your color, and Nvidias Digital Vibrance gives you much more control over your color than ATI's Catalysts at present.

ATI has already said that they will be offering "Radiance" color control as an extension to CCC back in September, and its a feature I'm looking forward to, and judging by the huge threads on DV at Rage3D, I'm not the only one.

 

[Acanthus]

The Evga IQ problems were back in the FX series. It is said they are top notch now for the 6xxx's.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus
1. its toms
2. every test is artificial in that review, they test for "DVI compliance".

Ok man, you keep on believing nVidia has better 2D output than ATI. Quite frankly though, a member of your stature should not be spreading false information on the forums.

Nice of you to conveniently leave out the rest of the post. Which clearly shows how paintbrushing either company as better 2d quality is wrong.

Nice of you to edit your post and add information after the fact, actually. Please don't accuse me of quoting you out of context as I did not.

Your initial response to this thread was "digital vibrance", and now you conveniently add that there are good nVidia manufacturers who, in your opinion, match ATI's 2D output quality.

Basically I'm calling you out on it because it is the widespread opinion of users on both sides of the fence that ATI has superior 2D output.

I have never heard Asus or Leadtek compared favorably against a Built-by ATI card. The best I've heard is that they're "almost as good as ATI". Even when I have read reviews where the nVidia card was said to have good 2D output, they were never running at 1600x1200 or higher at high refresh rates where the differences would be more noticeable. At such settings I am confident that no nVidia card will beat out something Built-by ATI.

So youve never tried it, but youre sure.

And my edit was before your post.

?

You edited your post as I was typing my message.

It's no wonder your post count is so high. You simply respond with unintelligent flamebait because you are unable to rebutt what I am saying. "Two words: digital vibrance". What a joke.

You probably work for nVidia in the PR department or something. That's how you know so much about obscure fluffy features that are simply driver hacks, not hardware improvements. This is evident from the fact that digital vibrance works on the Geforce 3.

ATI has consistently had better 2D output than nVidia for years now. I don't remember ever seeing a thread complaining about the 2D output on an ATI card, not even a Powercolor one.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The Evga IQ problems were back in the FX series. It is said they are top notch now for the 6xxx's.

I guess you missed the thread full of users complaining about the 2D output on their Evga 6800 cards. Seriously man, you shouldn't be spreading false information on the forums.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The Evga IQ problems were back in the FX series. It is said they are top notch now for the 6xxx's.

I guess you missed the thread full of users complaining about the 2D output on their Evga 6800 cards. Seriously man, you shouldn't be spreading false information on the forums.

My eVGA 6800 has crisp 2D, but it's a reference design. I think the complaints recently are from the newer non-reference eVGA cards, which would probably explain that.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus
1. its toms
2. every test is artificial in that review, they test for "DVI compliance".

Ok man, you keep on believing nVidia has better 2D output than ATI. Quite frankly though, a member of your stature should not be spreading false information on the forums.

Nice of you to conveniently leave out the rest of the post. Which clearly shows how paintbrushing either company as better 2d quality is wrong.

Nice of you to edit your post and add information after the fact, actually. Please don't accuse me of quoting you out of context as I did not.

Your initial response to this thread was "digital vibrance", and now you conveniently add that there are good nVidia manufacturers who, in your opinion, match ATI's 2D output quality.

Basically I'm calling you out on it because it is the widespread opinion of users on both sides of the fence that ATI has superior 2D output.

I have never heard Asus or Leadtek compared favorably against a Built-by ATI card. The best I've heard is that they're "almost as good as ATI". Even when I have read reviews where the nVidia card was said to have good 2D output, they were never running at 1600x1200 or higher at high refresh rates where the differences would be more noticeable. At such settings I am confident that no nVidia card will beat out something Built-by ATI.

So youve never tried it, but youre sure.

And my edit was before your post.

?

You edited your post as I was typing my message.

It's no wonder your post count is so high. You simply respond with unintelligent flamebait because you are unable to rebutt what I am saying. "Two words: digital vibrance". What a joke.

You probably work for nVidia in the PR department or something. That's how you know so much about obscure fluffy features that are simply driver hacks, not hardware improvements. This is evident from the fact that digital vibrance works on the Geforce 3.

ATI has consistently had better 2D output than nVidia for years now. I don't remember ever seeing a thread complaining about the 2D output on an ATI card, not even a Powercolor one.

You didnt post anything relevant proving or disproving anything in this post. The fact that ATi is working on a copycat feature must mean that its a useless driver hack :roll: .

Yes i did miss the thread on the Evga 2d IQ problems, thanks for the link.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
You didnt post anything relevant proving or disproving anything in this post. The fact that ATi is working on a copycat feature must mean that its a useless driver hack :roll: .

Yes i did miss the thread on the Evga 2d IQ problems, thanks for the link.

The fact that I haven't seen a single thread complaining about ATI's 2D in 4 years of posting here, but countless threads complaining about nVidia 2D output is enough circumstantial evidence to construe "proof" in my books.

So fine, Digital Vibrance is a feature. What you need to understand is that this type of feature has nothing to do with 2D output from a videocard. The signal clarity coming out of the card, combined with the VGA/DVI cable (and the monitor) are what determine 2D image quality. Most people who care about 2D output do professional work on their computers, and see features like Digital Vibrance as a gimmick. It does nothing in applications like MS Word or Excel.

If you have an hour to sift through countless Evga search results, be my guest. I remember reading the thread, it was ages ago. It was shortly after the release of the 6800U.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus
You didnt post anything relevant proving or disproving anything in this post. The fact that ATi is working on a copycat feature must mean that its a useless driver hack :roll: .

Yes i did miss the thread on the Evga 2d IQ problems, thanks for the link.

The fact that I haven't seen a single thread complaining about ATI's 2D in 4 years of posting here, but countless threads complaining about nVidia 2D output is enough circumstantial evidence to construe "proof" in my books.

So fine, Digital Vibrance is a feature. What you need to understand is that this type of feature has nothing to do with 2D output from a videocard. The signal clarity coming out of the card, combined with the VGA/DVI cable (and the monitor) are what determine 2D image quality. Most people who care about 2D output do professional work on their computers, and see features like Digital Vibrance as a gimmick. It does nothing in applications like MS Word or Excel.

If you have an hour to sift through countless Evga search results, be my guest. I remember reading the thread, it was ages ago. It was shortly after the release of the 6800U.

Considering all cards at the release of the 6800U were reference design oversaw by nvidia themselves for quality control, i wouldnt say the problem wouldve been isolated to evga. I was one of the people in "those threads" criticising Evga for bad 2d quality. They were terrible in the FX series so i would personally NEVER have bought an evga brand card at the time.

I still dont see where youre going with this. You say ALL ATi looks better than ALL nvidia, its simply not true.

Im sick of this pissing contest with you sickbeast, to all reading this thread ive spoken my peice and have nothing else to say.

The cliffnotes of sickbeasts little crusade:

All of ATis cards look better than NVIDIAs. He posts nothing that proves or disproves it and goes as far as to prove he has never used features like digital vibrance on nvidia cards. Nor has he seen both brands at high resolutions and refresh rates side by side to compare (i have).

Im not saying NVIDIA is better, i never was. Im saying that NVIDIA cards made by good OEMs will have similar results as far as image quality goes. Leadtek, Gainward, Asus, and Abit are the brands on this list. Avoid XFX, Evga (pre-6000 series), Jetway, Aopen, and rosewill (as they are unproven so far), and you wont have image quality problems.

To paintbrush either company as better than the other is foolish.

-Acanthus out.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Acanthus
You didnt post anything relevant proving or disproving anything in this post. The fact that ATi is working on a copycat feature must mean that its a useless driver hack :roll: .

Yes i did miss the thread on the Evga 2d IQ problems, thanks for the link.

The fact that I haven't seen a single thread complaining about ATI's 2D in 4 years of posting here, but countless threads complaining about nVidia 2D output is enough circumstantial evidence to construe "proof" in my books.

So fine, Digital Vibrance is a feature. What you need to understand is that this type of feature has nothing to do with 2D output from a videocard. The signal clarity coming out of the card, combined with the VGA/DVI cable (and the monitor) are what determine 2D image quality. Most people who care about 2D output do professional work on their computers, and see features like Digital Vibrance as a gimmick. It does nothing in applications like MS Word or Excel.

If you have an hour to sift through countless Evga search results, be my guest. I remember reading the thread, it was ages ago. It was shortly after the release of the 6800U.

Considering all cards at the release of the 6800U were reference design oversaw by nvidia themselves for quality control, i wouldnt say the problem wouldve been isolated to evga. I was one of the people in "those threads" criticising Evga for bad 2d quality. They were terrible in the FX series so i would personally NEVER have bought an evga brand card at the time.

I still dont see where youre going with this. You say ALL ATi looks better than ALL nvidia, its simply not true.

Im sick of this pissing contest with you sickbeast, to all reading this thread ive spoken my peice and have nothing else to say.

The cliffnotes of sickbeasts little crusade:

All of ATis cards look better than NVIDIAs. He posts nothing that proves or disproves it and goes as far as to prove he has never used features like digital vibrance on nvidia cards. Nor has he seen both brands at high resolutions and refresh rates side by side to compare (i have).

Im not saying NVIDIA is better, i never was. Im saying that NVIDIA cards made by good OEMs will have similar results as far as image quality goes. Leadtek, Gainward, Asus, and Abit are the brands on this list. Avoid XFX, Evga (pre-6000 series), Jetway, Aopen, and rosewill (as they are unproven so far), and you wont have image quality problems.

To paintbrush either company as better than the other is foolish.

-Acanthus out.

I would not have gone on a "crusade" had you not repsonded to me with "Digital Vibrance" as your answer to poor 2D output.

If you read my first post in this thread, you will see that I realize that there are nVidia cards that do indeed have good 2D output.

Based on your ignorant first reply, my response was completely justified. You can't go around spreading misinformation on the forums. To give users the impression that Digital Vibrance makes it all ok is ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

This entire discussion has become pointless. You really should work on formulating your thoughts before you post, and then convey them fully. Otherwise people are left guessing as to whether or not you know what you're talking about, or even as to what you were trying to say in the first place. :light:

-SickBeast out.