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ATI Takes Midrange AGP? X800 Pro - luke warm at best $233 shipped

blckgrffn

blckgrffn

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Price just keeps going up 🙁

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Wow, so I never thought that ATI would compete here. This looks pretty impressive, it is about $40 less than a 6800GT and a little more than a 6800 but should provide much better performance than a 6800. You might be able to unlock a 6800, but that doesn't make up for its 128 megs of memory, which is a real bottleneck with high details and AA.

Enjoy, I just bought a used GT for $215, but had I seen this new card, I might have gone with this!

Nat
 
ATI is pushing at the mid-low end to counter Nvidia's reign at the top. Expect to see some great price wars guys!
 
Originally posted by: Xyl3ne
Looks like a good price, too bad I can't justify $200+ for a video card. I game on the cheap.
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yeah, i'm still gaming on my Riva. HL2 is a bit slow, but it works. LOL!
 
15 month old cards are still over $200? things really have slowed down


and the X800XL is more the 6800GT competitor.
 
The XL is not really that much faster, has 6000 vs the 5700 pro for fillrate, and the memory is just 80 mhz more on the memory. These should also oc well as they are on the low-k .13 micron process, should hit 525 mhz without too much issue, which will make it faster than an x800xl on the gpu side.

Nat
 
XL has more shading pipeline(16 vs 12) and more vertex unit than this thing. The fill rate by itself is not a good indication of the card's rendering power.

There is no question x800XL is a much better card.
 
Originally posted by: gunblade
XL has more shading pipeline(16 vs 12) and more vertex unit than this thing. The fill rate by itself is not a good indication of the card's rendering power.

There is no question x800XL is a much better card.
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I agree. If fill rate were the only indication, 2 6600GTs in SLI should destroy a solo 6800GT, but that is not the case.

The XL tends to be...more efficient. The Pro is still a great card but there are a number of situations the 16 pipe GT would definately put the 12 pipe Pro in its place, forcing ATI to release the XL.
 
Benchmarks? Do you own either both of them? The reason that the X800XL came out was because it was cheaper for ATI to make, not because it was really better. The number of pipes makes no difference at all. If you want me to illustrate this, I will take my GF's unlockable 6800 and set the fillrate to be the same for 12 as 16 by manipulating the clock speed and I guarantee that it will be the same.

The reason that 6600GT gets beat by the 6800GT in some situations is that each card has limited bandwidth that hurts them both individually and lack a texture buffer that makes high res+AA/AF tough for a 6600GT to render, in SLI or not, and that is why the 6800GT is faster in some cases.

Sigh. Still a good deal, people.

Nat
 
Originally posted by: 7pants
x800 pro is way suckier than an x800xl. Don't throw your money away.
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Lets see, Ah NOOOO! Maybe like 5 fps which you will never notice, X800pro/X800XL/6800GT are all in the same performance league. plus or minus frames here and there. Im so tired of telling noobs as such.
 
Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Benchmarks? Do you own either both of them? The reason that the X800XL came out was because it was cheaper for ATI to make, not because it was really better. The number of pipes makes no difference at all. If you want me to illustrate this, I will take my GF's unlockable 6800 and set the fillrate to be the same for 12 as 16 by manipulating the clock speed and I guarantee that it will be the same.

The reason that 6600GT gets beat by the 6800GT in some situations is that each card has limited bandwidth that hurts them both individually and lack a texture buffer that makes high res+AA/AF tough for a 6600GT to render, in SLI or not, and that is why the 6800GT is faster in some cases.

Sigh. Still a good deal, people.

Nat
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The XL is a newer AND BETTER card.

 
LOL, ok, you just go on with that... better by about 2-5%, tops... and not worth a $40+ premium over this card, without a doubt. I owned one 🙂

Nat
 
Well... Benchmarks are here proving how much better the XL is compared to the pro. The Pro is competative with NO AA, but with 4x AA, the Xl completely blows the Pro away.. IMO the 6800 is better if you unlock it, but the x800 Pro is a safter bet. Not all 6800s can unlock the pipes, only about like 20-30%....

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=4
 
Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Benchmarks? Do you own either both of them? The reason that the X800XL came out was because it was cheaper for ATI to make, not because it was really better. The number of pipes makes no difference at all. If you want me to illustrate this, I will take my GF's unlockable 6800 and set the fillrate to be the same for 12 as 16 by manipulating the clock speed and I guarantee that it will be the same.

The reason that 6600GT gets beat by the 6800GT in some situations is that each card has limited bandwidth that hurts them both individually and lack a texture buffer that makes high res+AA/AF tough for a 6600GT to render, in SLI or not, and that is why the 6800GT is faster in some cases.

Sigh. Still a good deal, people.

Nat
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you really just said that 12 vs 16 pipelines makes no difference? you sir need to read something more than tomshardware...
 
Originally posted by: 7pants
x800 pro is way suckier than an x800xl. Don't throw your money away.
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If you consider 1-2 FPS slower in most situations...then yes, I'd say the X800 Pro is "suckier" than a x800 xl.
 
Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Benchmarks? Do you own either both of them? The reason that the X800XL came out was because it was cheaper for ATI to make, not because it was really better. The number of pipes makes no difference at all. If you want me to illustrate this, I will take my GF's unlockable 6800 and set the fillrate to be the same for 12 as 16 by manipulating the clock speed and I guarantee that it will be the same.
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Well, there is no doubt this is a good deal at this price.

However, the reason that X800XL came out is not because of lower cost for ATI to make but that ATI NEEDs a SKU to compete in the mid-high end to the 6800GT. The 6800gt was a huge success on the particular price range with a weak x800pro as competitor. As a result, Ati needed a SKU to be competitive and the answer was x800xl.

There are usually more parts that have defects in fabrication than not being able to reach a particular target Frequency. Therefore, it is clear that which one are cheaper for Ati to make.

The parts that is cheaper to make for Ati will be the 8 pipes x800GT, which is basically a dumpster part for all the R420, R423, R480. But given the price of $149( rumor MSRP), it is a very competitive part nonetheless.



 
Originally posted by: XNice
you really just said that 12 vs 16 pipelines makes no difference? you sir need to read something more than tomshardware...
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actually blckgrffn is right for the most part. The number of pipelines in itself makes no difference. It's the fill rate, which equals the # of pipelines times clock frequency that matters. This is why the 6600gt runs neck and neck with the 6800 in most situations. Their configs of 8 pipes x 500mhz and 12 pipes x 325mhz yield about the same fill rate. This is a similar situation with the x800 xl and pro. However because the x800 was optimized for 16 pipes, the 12 pipe pro runs a little less efficiently than the xl or xt and has a little less performance than the theoretical fill rate would indicate.
 
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