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ATI SLI

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There are rumors going around that ATI will design something comparable to NVIDIA SLI? Is this true...and if so ... is it worth waiting for?

Thanks
 
They have to design something comparable to SLI or else they'd be left in the dust. It depends on what you do with your system, what kind of card you have, your budget and your estimated future budget.
 
yes and by soon, i mean they'll announce it'll come out in about 1 month and not come out for like 6 months.
 
Originally posted by: Kensai
They have to design something comparable to SLI or else they'd be left in the dust. It depends on what you do with your system, what kind of card you have, your budget and your estimated future budget.
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Why? SLI is a fad that won't last. The future is multi-core design, which is already starting to happen. ATI is only doing it for ATI fanboys that want SLI. It isn't going to matter in 2 years. ATI is pursuing other things right now which is keeping them ahead of the game.
 
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Kensai
They have to design something comparable to SLI or else they'd be left in the dust. It depends on what you do with your system, what kind of card you have, your budget and your estimated future budget.
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Why? SLI is a fad that won't last. The future is multi-core design, which is already starting to happen. ATI is only doing it for ATI fanboys that want SLI. It isn't going to matter in 2 years. ATI is pursuing other things right now which is keeping them ahead of the game.
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Wow, I never thought of that! Good point!😀
 
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Kensai
They have to design something comparable to SLI or else they'd be left in the dust. It depends on what you do with your system, what kind of card you have, your budget and your estimated future budget.
Click to expand...

Why? SLI is a fad that won't last. The future is multi-core design, which is already starting to happen. ATI is only doing it for ATI fanboys that want SLI. It isn't going to matter in 2 years. ATI is pursuing other things right now which is keeping them ahead of the game.
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What do you mean by multi core? Graphics are infinately parallel, and are already multi threaded by design, hence increasing numbers of pixel and vertex processing engines. It would be cheaper from a manufacturing standpoint to build one 32 pipe core than 2 16 pipe cores., and probably have better performance too. And wont matter in two years? hell 3dfx went from top to gone in two years.
 
Originally posted by: rgreen83
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Kensai
They have to design something comparable to SLI or else they'd be left in the dust. It depends on what you do with your system, what kind of card you have, your budget and your estimated future budget.
Click to expand...

Why? SLI is a fad that won't last. The future is multi-core design, which is already starting to happen. ATI is only doing it for ATI fanboys that want SLI. It isn't going to matter in 2 years. ATI is pursuing other things right now which is keeping them ahead of the game.
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What do you mean by multi core? Graphics are infinately parallel, and are already multi threaded by design, hence increasing numbers of pixel and vertex processing engines. It would be cheaper from a manufacturing standpoint to build one 32 pipe core than 2 16 pipe cores., and probably have better performance too. And wont matter in two years? hell 3dfx went from top to gone in two years.
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I'm sorry, but you know little about video card design. Please exit the thread.
 
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: rgreen83
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Kensai
They have to design something comparable to SLI or else they'd be left in the dust. It depends on what you do with your system, what kind of card you have, your budget and your estimated future budget.
Click to expand...

Why? SLI is a fad that won't last. The future is multi-core design, which is already starting to happen. ATI is only doing it for ATI fanboys that want SLI. It isn't going to matter in 2 years. ATI is pursuing other things right now which is keeping them ahead of the game.
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What do you mean by multi core? Graphics are infinately parallel, and are already multi threaded by design, hence increasing numbers of pixel and vertex processing engines. It would be cheaper from a manufacturing standpoint to build one 32 pipe core than 2 16 pipe cores., and probably have better performance too. And wont matter in two years? hell 3dfx went from top to gone in two years.
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I'm sorry, but you know little about video card design. Please exit the thread.
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And yet you provide no argument? Only the equivalent of "i am right because i say i am"?
 
Originally posted by: rgreen83
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: rgreen83
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Kensai
They have to design something comparable to SLI or else they'd be left in the dust. It depends on what you do with your system, what kind of card you have, your budget and your estimated future budget.
Click to expand...

Why? SLI is a fad that won't last. The future is multi-core design, which is already starting to happen. ATI is only doing it for ATI fanboys that want SLI. It isn't going to matter in 2 years. ATI is pursuing other things right now which is keeping them ahead of the game.
Click to expand...

What do you mean by multi core? Graphics are infinately parallel, and are already multi threaded by design, hence increasing numbers of pixel and vertex processing engines. It would be cheaper from a manufacturing standpoint to build one 32 pipe core than 2 16 pipe cores., and probably have better performance too. And wont matter in two years? hell 3dfx went from top to gone in two years.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, but you know little about video card design. Please exit the thread.
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And yet you provide no argument? Only the equivalent of "i am right because i say i am"?
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: leedog2007
dual core graphics card
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Actually, that isn't a dual core, its a dual-GPU.

I'm glad that you have inside info about ATi and how they're staying ahead of the game, Malak. Seriously, you don't know ATi's plans better than anybody else, so you don't have any idea what they might actually have planned.

SLI might be a fad, but it'll happen again and again everytime one of the video card companies needs something that will buy them more time to develop something new.

Here's a scenario that I think might be happening. Right now nVidia has gone SLI because they need something that will help their current cards be somewhat comparable to ATi's upcoming ones. nVidia will see what ATi has up their sleeves with R520, and then develop something considerably better (but also release it later). This is where ATi will need their multi-card solution, so that they can stay relatively comparable to nVidia until they can develop something new.

I think that if there were fundamental changes to SLI and AMR (ATi's solution) then multi-card systems would be able to move from being just a fad, but who knows if that'll happen?

While multi-core should in theory work better for video its very parallel already, I don't know if its what nVidia or ATi have in mind, and if its not what they have in mind then its not whats gonna happen (unless some other company comes in with something that blows them away and so people go for that).
 
It will be interesting to see what kind of performance the next-gen GPU's have. I'm banking that they will have the same or slightly better performance as two of todays faster GPU's in SLI.

Which means no one will want two low-end cards for their SLI rigs.
 
Originally posted by: leedog2007
dual core graphics card
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Thanks for proving my point! 🙂 Observe a 16 pipe 6800 ultra trouncing both two 8 pipe core on one card and on two seperate cards. Malak, please just tell me why the heck nvidia or ati would put two x8 cards on the same silicon when they could just build a x16 core? the transistor redundancy would kill them!
 
Originally posted by: rgreen83
Originally posted by: leedog2007
dual core graphics card
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Thanks for proving my point! 🙂 Observe a 16 pipe 6800 ultra trouncing both two 8 pipe core on one card and on two seperate cards. Malak, please just tell me why the heck nvidia or ati would put two x8 cards on the same silicon when they could just build a x16 core? the transistor redundancy would kill them!
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ITS NOT DUAL CORE GPU

Its 2 GPUs on 1 PCB, not 2 GPUs on 1 CORE.

The fact the 6800U beats the Dual GPU card is the fact that the card uses a memory controller of 128Bit and only has 128Mb of memory, even if it does say 256 for both thats because its marketing and they just added them together...

And for them being apart, well they wanted to make a new generation of low end or mid range GPUs so that they don alienate all of them. Why did they put 2 x8 cards on the same silicon, because its cheaper! u dont pay for the extra PCB ur wasting as its on one. And why did they build an 8 pipeline card, because it supports the new architecture of the 6800 series with SM3 and all that. It just has a 128Bit memory bus controller and 128Mb of ram, making it half the price of a 6800U meaning its not for the Hardcore gamers!

And also it isnt nVidia who did this, nVidia pretty much give their vendors a free hand at what they design for the GPU and PCB and Gigabyte thought they would do this, as u can also get an SLI board with it as it only works with this 1 motherboard, which is at the same price as the 6800U, so if you buy the 6800U with an SLI board ur putting about $150 more on top of the price. This Dual GPU is for ppl who dont do hardcore gaming but also want to keep up to date as well as something cheaper.

What point has been proven, that a $500-600 card can beat a Dual GPU card that costs less, isnt supposed to run as fast as its cheaper? Your point is totally invalid.

Next time try to observe what market these cards are aimed at. The 6600GT Dual GPU or SLI is aimed at the mid range market. The 6800U is aimed at the Extreme High End market. 2 totally different areas, meaning 2 differently made and big performance differences between the 2 cards.
 
They will keep shrinking the manufactering process, so it shouldn't get to big ever; unless something happens where they cant shrink the process further.
 
WOW...wasn't expecting this many replies....
This makes me think maybe I can get a cheaper NON-SLI motherboard and a 6800GT....hmmmm.....

Thank you for your replies.
 
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Kensai
They have to design something comparable to SLI or else they'd be left in the dust. It depends on what you do with your system, what kind of card you have, your budget and your estimated future budget.
Click to expand...

Why? SLI is a fad that won't last. The future is multi-core design, which is already starting to happen. ATI is only doing it for ATI fanboys that want SLI. It isn't going to matter in 2 years. ATI is pursuing other things right now which is keeping them ahead of the game.
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The fact of the matter is that now the people who want the fast rigs are buying SLI, and the buzz that surrounds that market sells lower end cards. It could be argued that what is actually happening now is somewhat more important than what may happen in two years.
 
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