ATi R580 will come in four versions [x1900 has 384 Million transistors]

[n7]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It looks like ATI is a few pipes short of a video card.

Wow, you really do like to FUD it up, eh?

Pixel pipelines don't mean everything.

Your comment is about as intelligent as the typical consumer saying that Intel is faster since they run at a higher frequency :roll:

 

[Fadey]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It looks like ATI is a few pipes short of a video card.

Back to the old "we have more pipes than you" argument eh? I guess it wasn't enough that the 24-pipe GTX got it's ass handed to it by the 16-pipe XT.

Well considering the x1800xt was only in stores like 4 - 5 months after the 7800gtx and has 256 more memory it doesnt really kick its butt. It only wins by a few fps in most games and thats only with the aa / af cranked up. The 7800gtx 256 still does well vs it with no aa / af.

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: Fadey

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It looks like ATI is a few pipes short of a video card.

Back to the old "we have more pipes than you" argument eh? I guess it wasn't enough that the 24-pipe GTX got it's ass handed to it by the 16-pipe XT.

Well considering the x1800xt was only in stores like 4 - 5 months after the 7800gtx and has 256 more memory it doesnt really kick its butt. It only wins by a few fps in most games and thats only with the aa / af cranked up. The 7800gtx 256 still does well vs it with no aa / af.

1. Why would I care when a card was in store when both can be bought by the time I want to upgrade? Besides that, wasnt it more like 3-4 months at most?
2. No AA/AF? Gotta be kidding me, I cant live without both... very few people want to look back once they saw the goodness of at least 4xAA/8xAF.

Next time I upgrade my vid card in about a year +- a few months, I will watch very careful which brand performs better with high AA/AF. So Nvidia better sorts that out by then or I'm back to ATI. Not to mention the total lack of AA with HDR on Nvidia parts, which will really bug me once it has become a common feature in games.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: 1Dark1Sharigan1
R580 16 Pipes and 48 Shaders is interesting . . .
G71 32 Pipes and 32 Shaders interesting but not surprising . . .

16 + 48 = 64
32 + 32 = 64

Coincedance? 😉 The math means nothing but it's interesting nevertheless . . .

Too bad Nvidia is only going to have 16 operations per sec.

But your comparison is still wrong if I a correct.

16/48 ati
32/16 nvdia

What do you mean 16 operations per sec? Are you talking about the ROP's? Because if you are, then both cards will have 16 ROP's, but that wont be a problem because modern games tend to have multiple shader/texture ops on each pixel before it gets spit out to the screen.

What the above post meant is that Ati will have 48 pixel shaders and 16 texture units. Nv will (according to the rumor mill...) have 32 pixel shaders and 32 texture units. So everything else being equal, Nv will do better in texture-heavy apps, and Ati will do better in shader-heavy apps. But things are not so simple in reality, so I'll just wait and see who's got it right.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It looks like ATI is a few pipes short of a video card.

Back to the old "we have more pipes than you" argument eh? I guess it wasn't enough that the 24-pipe GTX got it's ass handed to it by the 16-pipe XT.

Only with twice the memory and with a dual slot cooler. Once NVIDIA came out with a similar configuration, the pipes took the top no problem.

Besides the "16 pipe" XT gets beat by a $280 GT in several games, so when you look at a broader spectrum of benchmarks (instead of just the same 4 or 5 that everybody runs), you get a better picture.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It looks like ATI is a few pipes short of a video card.

Wow, you really do like to FUD it up, eh?

Pixel pipelines don't mean everything.

Your comment is about as intelligent as the typical consumer saying that Intel is faster since they run at a higher frequency :roll:

And your ability to take a joke is about as high as the average deceased person :roll:

 

[kruull]

I really want to know what comes next from Ati's side as nVidia is reported to launch the nv80 q3 2006 = 1Y after nv70!!! ???

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Hmm more "news" from INQ:

SO, HOW FAST

While some games track 3DMark closely, others do not, so ATI will probably be more than that little bit ahead on a number of games, but this new card is probably not the clean kill ATI would want it to be. The top end G71 should have little trouble eclipsing it in most things.

On the up side, the ATI distribution woes of 2005 look to be coming to a close, sources tell us that the tea leaves are reading good availability on launch. I really hope ATI gets it right this time, we need a good old fashioned fight once again. µ

Link: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28620

So what do you guys think? Usual INQ b.s. or is there some validity to what this guy at INQ is saying? I'm guessing he's probably wrong and the two cards will go neck and neck.

i think they are guessing .. . no doubt we will start to see "leaked benchs" in a few days . . . don't forget . . . Sanders might have his "take" pretty soon. 😛

My "guess" is that they will run neck and neck . . . each card having it's strengths and weaknesses . . . with ATi's top card cheaper than nVidias . . .

ME? . . . i just want my x1700xt or 6900GS . . . in AGP. 😉
:thumbsup:
i really want my x1900xt but will "settle" . . . my rig is 'pathetic' . . . anyway.
:disgust:

 

[RobertR1]

I have a feeling that the G71 will dominate current games where as the R580 will show it's strengths in future games.

Similar to how the x1800xt beats even the 7800GTX 512 in FEAR with AA/AF turned up at high res. Ati could/should faster RAM though. It would help out greatly.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I dont see why people would believe the G70 has a weaker shader performance than the R520. To see shader performance you have to look at benchs with no AA/AF. It is the AA/AF efficeny, not R520's "greater" shader performance that normally beats the G70 by 1~10 fps. Right now, i both cards have similiar performance in terms of shaders. But i guess its the R520 architecture, that handles AA/AF well that puts it ahead most of the time.

Im just gonig to wait for the benchs... popcorn anyone?

 

[John Reynolds]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
And your ability to take a joke is about as high as the average deceased person.

Except you weren't joking.

It'll be interesting to see how the performance of these two architectures differ. What their strong and weak areas are in relation to each other. Personally, I think overall performance (across the board of what's generally tested these days, not cherry picking one or two games or synthetics) will probably go to NVIDIA primarily because they have the latitude of moving from a 110nm to 90nm process, which is going to let them add those additional pixel and texture pipes and logic units while keeping the frequency high or even increasing it over the 7800s. But it could very well be a close race. Both high-end parts will probably be dual-slot, hot, power hungry products.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It looks like ATI is a few pipes short of a video card.

Back to the old "we have more pipes than you" argument eh? I guess it wasn't enough that the 24-pipe GTX got it's ass handed to it by the 16-pipe XT.

You people are forgetting the gigantic clock speed advantage the XT had over the GTX... now nvidia will have higher clockspeed and more pipes (if rumors are correct). However, it remains to be seen which method (ATi's or nvidia's) will prove to be more efficient this round.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It looks like ATI is a few pipes short of a video card.

omg, so why does the x1800xt (with its measly 16 pipes) run neck and neck with the 24 pipeline gtx?

nice try at FUD though....

:roll:

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It looks like ATI is a few pipes short of a video card.

omg, so why does the x1800xt (with its measly 16 pipes) run neck and neck with the 24 pipeline gtx?

nice try at FUD though....

:roll:

Clockspeeds?

24 * 430 = 10,320
16 * 625 = 10,000

This along with efficient memory usage (512 bit ring-bus) allow it to run neck and neck with the GTX.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It looks like ATI is a few pipes short of a video card.

omg, so why does the x1800xt (with its measly 16 pipes) run neck and neck with the 24 pipeline gtx?

nice try at FUD though....

:roll:

Ummmm, Duh? Clock Speeds anyone? LOL

 

[Munky]

Neck in neck is what the xt does to the 512gtx when the details are cranked up. Sying it's neck in neck with the 256gtx is like saying the 7800gt is neck in neck with an x850xt - it may be close in some cases, but overall we all know what the faster card is. Look at this review and tell me which ones are neck in neck.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005.html

Here's what I see:
XT:
16 x 625mhz = 10000 Mtexels/sec fillrate
1.5ghz mem

512gtx:
24 x 550mhz = 13200 Mtexels/sec fillrate
1.7ghz mem

So, even with a huge fillrate and bandwidth advantage, the 512gtx only beats the xt by 1-5 fps in most cases, and it still loses in FEAR. Now, granted these 5-6 benches may not paint the whole picture, but there's no doubt that FEAR and COD2 are the most graphically demanding games benchmarked anywhere, and for all its pipes and memory clocks the gtx sure doesnt look that efficient in utilizing it's abilities, and it's not the big bad card that was hyped up beyond belief to lay the smack down on the xt.

Anyway, to make a long story short, benchmarks show that in most modern games the r520 can keep up nicely with a g70 even when it has a fillrate and bandwidth disadvantage, so you can guess what's gonna happen if the r580 comes out and it has an advantage in one or both of these categories compared to the g71.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: munky
Neck in neck is what the xt does to the 512gtx when the details are cranked up. Sying it's neck in neck with the 256gtx is like saying the 7800gt is neck in neck with an x850xt - it may be close in some cases, but overall we all know what the faster card is. Look at this review and tell me which ones are neck in neck.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005.html

Here's what I see:
XT:
16 x 625mhz = 10000 Mtexels/sec fillrate
1.5ghz mem

512gtx:
24 x 550mhz = 13200 Mtexels/sec fillrate
1.7ghz mem

So, even with a huge fillrate and bandwidth advantage, the 512gtx only beats the xt by 1-5 fps in most cases, and it still loses in FEAR. Now, granted these 5-6 benches may not paint the whole picture, but there's no doubt that FEAR and COD2 are the most graphically demanding games benchmarked anywhere, and for all its pipes and memory clocks the gtx sure doesnt look that efficient in utilizing it's abilities, and it's not the big bad card that was hyped up beyond belief to lay the smack down on the xt.

Anyway, to make a long story short, benchmarks show that in most modern games the r520 can keep up nicely with a g70 even when it has a fillrate and bandwidth disadvantage, so you can guess what's gonna happen if the r580 comes out and it has an advantage in one or both of these categories compared to the g71.

I agree the the route ATi is taking makes a lot of sense, however I think nvidia has a more balanced approach going with 32 texture units and 32 pixel shaders versus ATi's plan of 16/48. However, we'll see which is the better approach in about a month 🙂 As for me, I'm going to sit tight and upgrade come UT2K7/Vista 🙂

 

[Cookie Monster]

Im still guessing if the G71 is based on NV47/G70 or based on something else.. would there be arhitectural differences between G70/71? So far ive been hearing many rumours raging from pure video2, to NV30 like AF with tweaks.

I want benchmarks!!!

 

[apoppin]

01/03/05 . . . the latest "confirmed" by theInq

we can now confirm that the one that we know as R580 is going to be know as X1900XTX.

Unlike our Chinese friends from HKEPC reported the X1900XTX will be clocked at 650 MHz core and 1550 MHz memory. It will end up very close to the original R520 clock speeds.

The card is expected on January 24th just a day after my birthday but we are not sure whether that is the fixed date. We know that ATI is getting ready to ship the cards.

We are looking at availability at launch and some chaps that have seen the cards or some scores are being optimistic about the performance numbers.

It has three times more Shaders than R520 and in Shader intensive applications should perform quite nice, and we can confirm that it will end up significantly faster than still ghost Geforce 7800 GTX 512 at least in some scenarios.

Abit to release Crossfire board next week

ABIT is getting ready to release its delayed RD480 based Crossfire motherboard. Just like Asus motherboard Abit decided to use the ULI ? now Nvidia - M1575 South Bridge but for some reasons decided to delay the board.

It wanted to make all right before it releases its board and it should appear in Europe next week. It's interesting timing as it comes just a few weeks before the updated RD580 Crossfire chipset version.

Abit is getting in action despite its financial problems and some property selling but the boards are as good as usual

 

[hans030390]

Didn't they say the R520 would be a lot faster than the 7800gtx? yeah...that didn't happen (it was faster in some case, but not by much).
But considering the specs of the r580, i could see it being a good bit faster.

 

[Regs]

whoa edit

 

[Regs]

And every article from inquary is fully loaded. They glorify the product, show its promises, then conclude it would just end up as another filler to compete with the other company. Duh?

 

[BFG10K]

Didn't they say the R520 would be a lot faster than the 7800gtx? yeah...that didn't happen

What do you mean it didn't happen?

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Didn't they say the R520 would be a lot faster than the 7800gtx? yeah...that didn't happen

What do you mean it didn't happen?

as far as i can see it did...

 

[DrZoidberg]

ill be surprised if the G71 or 7900GTX had 32 pipes cause refresh doesnt normally have such a big architecture change. However the G80 or the new generation in july i could see being 32 pipes.

I have a feeling they would do a die shrink to 90nm and be able to run normal 7800gtx 256 at 600mhz-650mhz core. Put faster memory, do some tweaks to architecture and release card with same or 10-20% better peformance then 7800gtx 512 with cheaper price like $550 and wide availability.