DotheDamnTHing

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700US$ PCI-E only

ATI's new GPU chip R520 is internally called "Fudo". The design has been ready for quite some time now. One source is telling us "the chip is working, now ATI is designing the boards, and after that they have to fix the boards to get them working [laughs]".

The chip is produced using a 90nm process at TSMC and will have 300 to 350 million transistors.

We have confirmed the 24 pipelines rumors from several independant sources. However, these 24 pipelines are not comparable to 24 of today's pipelines - multiply by 1.3. So the 24 pipelines will have the performance of 32 "normal" pipelines.
The result of this is that the R520 will be two times as fast as the currently fastest X850s.

ATI will most probably present the chip in June at Computex, Taiwan.

The most important architectural change is support for WGF 1.0 (Windows Graphics Foundation). This is the successor to DirectX9, often called DirectX Next. WGF will be included as standard in Microsoft Longhorn.
WGF offers new exciting features for game developers like "unlimited" shader length, Geometry Shaders, Much lower overhead than DirectX9 and many more.

Obviously ShaderModel 3.0 is supported by R520 as well.

Memory configurations will be 256-bit memory interface (definitely not 512-bit) with 256 MB and 512 MB GDDR3. The internal registers of R520 support even 1GB memory size. With current GDDR3 prices we will definitely not see a 1GB design at least not in the near future and not for gaming cards. However, this shows that ATI is planning for the future.

The boards will be available in PCI-Express only. When asked about an AGP version, one source said "most probably not". Please note that this is not a definite "no". My guess is that if the market really demands an AGP version, it will be implemented via the Rialto bridge chip.

In the S3 part of this report we talked about OmniChrome supporting 10-bit-per-color display depths, so does R520. HDTV and HDCP output will be supported as well.

Clocks are not finalized yet, but expect something around 700 MHz core and 800 MHz memory (1.25ns).

The first boards will be VERY expensive people are talking $600-$700 range. It all depends on how the graphics memory prices develop in the next months and if TSMC can get good yields out of the 90nm process.
 

Tab

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Well, I am still certainly happy with my affordable X800XL purchase... ;)

What's HDCP exacly?
 

Woody419

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Oh Boy!!! Another paper launch in June.

My estimated shipping date: 1st quarter - 2006.
1st price break that makes it affordable - Nov. 26, 2006.
1st game you really need it for - HL3 - Sept. 2010.
 

AristoV300

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Lol those dates sound about right. High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection. Information about it can be found here.
 

Bar81

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Whatever, there will be an AGP version of all next gen cards; it would be financial suicide not to.
 

akugami

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AGP will be shunted to the mid-low end after this next generation of cards. I do agree it is financial suicide not to support AGP for now. I think the generation after this is when both nVidia and ATI makes a cut from AGP and the new high end video cards will only be for PCI-E. They will "launch" this card in June so that means that cards will be available in Nov/Dec. Should be a good time to upgrade my video card. Supporting 1680x1050 resolutions is tough at playable frame rates with my current video card.
 

bunnyfubbles

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There will be little reason to support AGP as all the new motherboards will primarily be PCI-e meaning unless you upgrade to PCI-e, your system will be too slow for a top of the line card in the first place. It definately woudln't be "financial suicide" not to support AGP. The money is made on the lower end budget cards, the flagships generate very little profit and are there pretty much only to claim performance crowns for the company. In fact it might even save money as developing cards for two formats certainly doesn't help save money. Granted it might end up being up to board makers to provide AGP support same with PCI support back in the day when AGP was king.
 

AristoV300

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I see AGP being supported for at least 2 more years. Hell many games are still put on several CD's instead of a DVD is because most people don't have a DVD drive in their PC???
 

IamTHEsnake

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I don't.

1 more year max then it will slowly go to low end specs, once these cards truly start taking advantage of the x16 bus, the x8 AGP bus will not suffice.

Just accept it and don't argue that it will be around forever simply because you own an AGP card.
 

silverpig

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ATI's SLI is also not limited to two video cards. There will be one master card which presents the rendered data to the screen and coordinates the slaves which transfer their rendered data into the master's framebuffer. A physical PCB to link the video cards is not required, everything is done via PCI-Express bus.

Imagine 4 of those going at it!

:)
 

Cheesetogo

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Well, 600-700 dollars obiously is not confirmed, and I dought that will be the msrp (Although I don't think the retailers will mind putting it up to that price:() I'm going to hold out for this card though, because I don't have enough money right now to buy an x850xt and this thing is going to be sweet!
 

sharkeeper

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JUST GIVE ME THE GD CARDS ALREADY!!! DAMMIT! I'LL GIVE ATi A BLANK CHECK!

ps. may want to send me a pc to use it too since I left mine behind!

I have no mailing address currently but at the time of this post my Trimble GPS reports 26.053235N, 78.487082W. Perhaps Ruby can drop one by. :p
 

ohnnyj

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Originally posted by: silverpig
ATI's SLI is also not limited to two video cards. There will be one master card which presents the rendered data to the screen and coordinates the slaves which transfer their rendered data into the master's framebuffer. A physical PCB to link the video cards is not required, everything is done via PCI-Express bus.

Imagine 4 of those going at it!

:)

nVidia's isn't limited either.
 

ribbon13

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Hahahaha paper launch my ass...

The reason for limited supply of late is because of the R500 (aka the R520 in the Xenon). They've been solely concentrating on these chips... The console market anyone? Come on now, that's a massive market share. It's a wise business decision, and soon the rewards will be reaped. I can't wait to have two of those babies in my system. ^^
 

Tab

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There is no incentive for them to produce AGP card, well there is. If I was ATi i'd tell people to buy our new AMD 64/ Intel Chipset. The vast majority of people will be upgrading to PCI-E and a lot of major manufacture such as dell have already completely moved to PCI-E.
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: silverpig
ATI's SLI is also not limited to two video cards. There will be one master card which presents the rendered data to the screen and coordinates the slaves which transfer their rendered data into the master's framebuffer. A physical PCB to link the video cards is not required, everything is done via PCI-Express bus.

Imagine 4 of those going at it!

:)



NV SLI works the same way....SCALABLE Link Interface...they can chain as many cards as they want together, just has to be enabled in the driver.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: ItmPls
like anyone needs this...

For people with 17" monitors, no. For people with sweet ass 24" LCDs running at 1920x1200, it will be VERY nice to have. :)
 

sharkeeper

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Just as long as the DVI is capable of supporting higher resolutions such as 2560x1600 found on the Apple 30" display.
 

JBT

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Originally posted by: ItmPls
like anyone needs this...

I just got a 1920x1200 24" LCD... I sure as heck do compared to my lowely 6800GT. AA just doesn't work with that res on this card and I still think atleast 2x is needed at that res.