ATi R520 Slated For Oct 5th Launch

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: malG

Originally posted by: Ackmed

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Hey AHMED, who cares what you say - go home!

STFU.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rollo
For the record, I'm "Rollo" or "Jethro Bodine" pretty much everywhere.

Ackmed is "Emilee" at Rage3d, and "Fallguy" at HardOCP.

I for one, wish ATI wish just launch their products already so we could actually discuss real parts. For a GPU that taped out last year, this one is having a lot of trouble making it to market this year.

I know if I had been waiting to upgrade since June based on some rumors about 32 pipe wonder cards this "We'll have some 16 pipe cards that might be as fast in late4 October or November" stuff would piss me off.

Haha I never knew you were Jethro though I always thought he sounded like you with the pro-nv slant

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Just out of curiousity, how can they produce the Xbox 360 GPUs without issue when they are very similar and have 24 pipelines? It just doesn't make sense.

this is appears to be a lot like the situation with nvidia and nv2x hurting nv30, doesn't it?

AFAIK, Ati only designed the xbox360 gpu, they're not responsible for manufacturing it. M$ buys the design, and can produce it wherever and however they want, cutting in Ati on the share of profits for every unit sold.

Plus, something tells me all the "smart" people at Ati were busy designing the xbox360 gpu, so that left only a bunch of "n00bs" to design the r520.

well, that is what i meant, a lot of the design resources at ATi went toward the xbox 360, so there was less available at ati to work out any problems with the r520.

and, even though MS is not paying ATi to fab the chip for them, i would expect them to have a large hand in it, seeing as how MS probably doesn't know much about the subject of getting a chip from blueprints to an actual part. the logical solution is to use ATi people to do it.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
This 512 Ring Bus that was mentioned. Anyone else think that it could be that these 512MB cards are actually 2 separate 256MB 256-bit busses? And the R520 core has twice as many registers as R4xx? And that they are just calling it 512-bit because of this?
Just trying to spec here.

You mean dual-channel 256-bit? AFAIK that's pretty much the same as a full-out 512-bit bus.

 

[ElFenix]

re: the ring bus, take a look at the article on the soundblaster x-fi for what i think is a ring bus

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
re: the ring bus, take a look at the article on the soundblaster x-fi for what i think is a ring bus

It's pretty tough to transcribe it from its use as an audio bus to that of a graphics card; I was disappointed in the low level of technical writing in that article. Too many pictures and common-man words.

We need Anand to help us figure this one out.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Rollo
For the record, I'm "Rollo" or "Jethro Bodine" pretty much everywhere.

Ackmed is "Emilee" at Rage3d, and "Fallguy" at HardOCP.

I for one, wish ATI wish just launch their products already so we could actually discuss real parts. For a GPU that taped out last year, this one is having a lot of trouble making it to market this year.

I know if I had been waiting to upgrade since June based on some rumors about 32 pipe wonder cards this "We'll have some 16 pipe cards that might be as fast in late4 October or November" stuff would piss me off.

Haha I never knew you were Jethro though I always thought he sounded like you with the pro-nv slant

Yep. I'm a big fan of the original "Beverly Hillbillies".

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: ElFenix
re: the ring bus, take a look at the article on the soundblaster x-fi for what i think is a ring bus

It's pretty tough to transcribe it from its use as an audio bus to that of a graphics card; I was disappointed in the low level of technical writing in that article. Too many pictures and common-man words.

We need Anand to help us figure this one out.

Isn't it similar to the EIB on the Cell processor? Seems I recall something to that effect. Definately be looking for details. Link

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

But the evidence points to a "full production and full availability" of December 1st for their high end part. So, that is about 5 months and 1 week is our prediction, or mine rather.

Well if you are going to hold the information in that Anand article in such high regard?

anand

Internal ATI documentation specifically claims that the R520 series will ship at launch, just as NVIDIA's 7800GTX and 7800GT series shipped and launched on the same dates.

The evidence points to a launch of the R520 before Dec.1. Lets see, how did you put it ? ??If you are not willing to give AnandTech the benifit of the doubt, why are you using his forums? Get lost if you dislike or discredit AnandTech sources?.?

This is the type of nvidia trollfest crap that turns so many of these threads into flame-fests. Lighten up a little.

16 Pipes is not written in stone? Uhm... It was confirmed by AnandTech...

I stated the bets are on a for a 16 pipe cards. What more do you want -- lets bow down and worship Anandtech as the almighty source of GPU info ? LOL.

And what does 16 pipes mean on the surface if the architecture has changed so much that a traditional reference to pipelines doesn?t do justice to the architecture -- as in the Xenos. What is the ?16? referring to in the pipeline? Anandtech may not know at this point since he unlikely has details of the architecture yet, and once he does receive details he will be under NDA.

Anandtech ?

We go under NDA in the near future for many things ATI, so get ready for AnandTech's upcoming coverage come launch time!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
This 512 Ring Bus that was mentioned. Anyone else think that it could be that these 512MB cards are actually 2 separate 256MB 256-bit busses? And the R520 core has twice as many registers as R4xx? And that they are just calling it 512-bit because of this?
Just trying to spec here.

You mean dual-channel 256-bit? AFAIK that's pretty much the same as a full-out 512-bit bus.

Well, I was thinking that a true 512bit memory bus would have to use 512bit memory. All on a single bus. This is not the case here for sure because the cards are using 256bit memory. So at best, it would be 2x256bit memory busses, each addressing 256MB of 256bit memory. I'm thinking if this is the case, wouldn't it theoretically double the memory bandwidth? This is of course all BS guessing, but it would be interesting to see R520 enter with astounding memory bandwidth like that wouldn't it?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Blastman

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

But the evidence points to a "full production and full availability" of December 1st for their high end part. So, that is about 5 months and 1 week is our prediction, or mine rather.

Well if you are going to hold the information in that Anand article in such high regard?

anand

Internal ATI documentation specifically claims that the R520 series will ship at launch, just as NVIDIA's 7800GTX and 7800GT series shipped and launched on the same dates.

The evidence points to a launch of the R520 before Dec.1. Lets see, how did you put it ? ??If you are not willing to give AnandTech the benifit of the doubt, why are you using his forums? Get lost if you dislike or discredit AnandTech sources?.?

This is the type of nvidia trollfest crap that turns so many of these threads into flame-fests. Lighten up a little.

16 Pipes is not written in stone? Uhm... It was confirmed by AnandTech...

I stated the bets are on a for a 16 pipe cards. What more do you want -- lets bow down and worship Anandtech as the almighty source of GPU info ? LOL.

And what does 16 pipes mean on the surface if the architecture has changed so much that a traditional reference to pipelines doesn?t do justice to the architecture -- as in the Xenos. What is the ?16? referring to in the pipeline? Anandtech may not know at this point since he unlikely has details of the architecture yet, and once he does receive details he will be under NDA.

Anandtech ?

We go under NDA in the near future for many things ATI, so get ready for AnandTech's upcoming coverage come launch time!

I'm just sitting here waiting for you to post a link to Toms or some other site we all constantly sling ridicule that states different info from Anand. Anything that says more than 16 pipes might be more preferable to you. Not saying you would, but since when do you not believe what you read here at AT? I've never noticed you do that before.

"lets bow down and worship Anandtech as the almighty source of GPU info ? LOL" ???????

Anyway, I believe Kris said they will be under NDA as of today 9/14/05 and will have no further information on R520 until release day/end of NDA.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
This 512 Ring Bus that was mentioned. Anyone else think that it could be that these 512MB cards are actually 2 separate 256MB 256-bit busses? And the R520 core has twice as many registers as R4xx? And that they are just calling it 512-bit because of this?
Just trying to spec here.

You mean dual-channel 256-bit? AFAIK that's pretty much the same as a full-out 512-bit bus.

Well, I was thinking that a true 512bit memory bus would have to use 512bit memory. All on a single bus. This is not the case here for sure because the cards are using 256bit memory. So at best, it would be 2x256bit memory busses, each addressing 256MB of 256bit memory. I'm thinking if this is the case, wouldn't it theoretically double the memory bandwidth? This is of course all BS guessing, but it would be interesting to see R520 enter with astounding memory bandwidth like that wouldn't it?

According to Tom's Hardware, it uses 512 bit memory...

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: DrZoidberg
"Yield rate for 16ps and 24ps R520 is under 25%."

Not sure if article is 100% accurate but if yield is under 25% does that mean 75% is thrown away? ATI would be losing heaps of money if this is the case.

X1800LE has 12 pipelines

Kristopher says there's no such thing.

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
I just got this confirmation:

There is no X1800LE, they must have confused the X1600.
There is no X800GTO2, just multiple X800GTOs.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2527

Kristopher

Looks like that confirmation was wrong:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2532

 

[Blastman]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm just sitting here waiting for you to post a link to Toms or some other site we all constantly sling ridicule that states different info from Anand. Anything that says more than 16 pipes might be more preferable to you. Not saying you would, but since when do you not believe what you read here at AT? I've never noticed you do that before.

Hey, I don?t have any problem with 16 pipes -- and I agreed Anandtech is probably right. I?d like to wait for more sources for confirmation (and what is meant by 16 pipes). What is so hard to understand about that.

digitimes ... posted this today, still pimping a 32 pipe X1800 XT. (note the source of the 32 pipes is not Enquirer -- just the prices on the RV530 and RV515 )

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
This 512 Ring Bus that was mentioned. Anyone else think that it could be that these 512MB cards are actually 2 separate 256MB 256-bit busses? And the R520 core has twice as many registers as R4xx? And that they are just calling it 512-bit because of this?
Just trying to spec here.

You mean dual-channel 256-bit? AFAIK that's pretty much the same as a full-out 512-bit bus.

Well, I was thinking that a true 512bit memory bus would have to use 512bit memory. All on a single bus. This is not the case here for sure because the cards are using 256bit memory. So at best, it would be 2x256bit memory busses, each addressing 256MB of 256bit memory. I'm thinking if this is the case, wouldn't it theoretically double the memory bandwidth? This is of course all BS guessing, but it would be interesting to see R520 enter with astounding memory bandwidth like that wouldn't it?

According to Tom's Hardware, it uses 512 bit memory...

Like this samsung GDDR3 Link from the Inq article?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Blastman

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

But the evidence points to a "full production and full availability" of December 1st for their high end part. So, that is about 5 months and 1 week is our prediction, or mine rather.

Well if you are going to hold the information in that Anand article in such high regard?

anand

Internal ATI documentation specifically claims that the R520 series will ship at launch, just as NVIDIA's 7800GTX and 7800GT series shipped and launched on the same dates.

The evidence points to a launch of the R520 before Dec.1. Lets see, how did you put it ? ??If you are not willing to give AnandTech the benifit of the doubt, why are you using his forums? Get lost if you dislike or discredit AnandTech sources?.?

This is the type of nvidia trollfest crap that turns so many of these threads into flame-fests. Lighten up a little.

16 Pipes is not written in stone? Uhm... It was confirmed by AnandTech...

I stated the bets are on a for a 16 pipe cards. What more do you want -- lets bow down and worship Anandtech as the almighty source of GPU info ? LOL.

And what does 16 pipes mean on the surface if the architecture has changed so much that a traditional reference to pipelines doesn?t do justice to the architecture -- as in the Xenos. What is the ?16? referring to in the pipeline? Anandtech may not know at this point since he unlikely has details of the architecture yet, and once he does receive details he will be under NDA.

Anandtech ?

We go under NDA in the near future for many things ATI, so get ready for AnandTech's upcoming coverage come launch time!

So, I bet you think you are pretty slick finding what you think was a contradiction? Well, you need to look up the definition of a contradiction before you can accuse me of it.

First of all, shipping dates are almost always bumped. For instance, when a game developer says it will ship in August 1st and it does not make the date, does that mean the game developer lied about something? Or was it simple a deadline they want to make? The different is that shipping dates are often time incorrect. This is completely different than lieing about a product or stating false things about it.

It is true that they could lie about a shipping date, but given the nature of development, I am sure most of the set backs are honest... One deals with mass production and final product and one deals with deadlines and yields.

Nice try, but you cannot even conclude that I contradicted myself. I simply believe ATI will be delayed in their attemps.



Edit ** To clarify my point even more is that one is factual information about the product. The other is projected information.... It depends on the manufacturing process and to some extent, is out of their control. The design isn't. So one can be considered a projected goal and the other is goal that was already met.