Pr0d1gy, Nobody cares what you think, and you laught at us, well at least out topic has a sensible heading, we are bored so we talk sh1t about GPU's if it wasn't that it would be Amd v Intel.
nVidiot, fanATIc, nVATIc (users of both) or integrated gfx, whichever you look at it, so long as you aint a clone of the next guy in the forum, there'll always be varried views. Variety = spice of life, as they say.
Gamingphreek
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Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
This is my first post in this thread. How do i argue with everyone???
Hey gets paid to do this... didn't know that any of these reviewers got a salary for this.
How can you simply ignore my argument. I explained all my reasons, and i even did a direct comparison of the cards. Are you lazy or can you not come up with a decent counter argument? (Believe me i understand the lazy part
-Kevin
No, I've just seen you bust into my threads & argue with everyone until they quit posting in the thread. You don't shut up, ever. You're a monumental pain in the ass & not worth debating with, especially when the review MAKES EVERYTHING VERY CLEAR & EASY TO READ. I guess you think the reviewer is just flat out lying or trying to mislead people, right? Yet he still mentions later in the same review that the 6800gt looks better than the X800XL in Doom3 even at lower settings, but that doesn't matter because I had the audacity to actually say the ATi can outperform the nVidia in something...namely a friggin football game that most people play on consoles anyways. Is that a good enough retort for you?
Please show me a thread that i have "Burst into" and argued endlessly.
I never say the reviewers are lying, however aside from a few select reviewers (AT) the others possess a noticable bias towards one side of cards.
I have just explained why this game CANNOT look better. ATI and Nvidia both use the same AA methods (Rotated Grid). If something is that much better looking, there is a problem with drivers.
YOu are acting like i am an Nvidia fanboy, when in everysingle thread i say the same thing. ATI leads by a good 10-15% in performance for highest end cards while Nvidia has more features. In the mid high end, the 6800GT is clearly the performance leader, not by much but it is fairly consistent. HOwever the PCI-E version does cost considerably more than the X800XL thereby making the XL a slightly better value. I would also like to know how the Nvidia card looks better than the ATI card at lower settings in DIII. Once again there should not be a noticable difference, if there is, then it is a driver problem.
Why are you getting worked up about all this? I have produced 2 valid arguments and all you are doing is insulting me. Produce a valid counter argument instead of simply flaming me for no apparent reason.
-Kevin
both brands rock in tech terms , but if you want super computor power in a video card get a TRIDENT ....8mb....................
Keysplayr
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Well to start off, in your first post, you state that no company PWNS (oh brother) completely the other company. Then you proceed to use the word "fanboy" no less than 5 times throughout your postings. Why?
Do not use the word fanboy if you cannot disprove you are one yourself. And I have yet to see the true motivation for your OP. You have to understand something, and this is very important; when people buy and use both products and personally decide which one they like better, there is NO changing their mind at all. You can point to 75 different benchmarks that show only ATI in a better light and not make a dent in a person who has already decided to keep his nvidia card and sell off his ATI card. Just like I did. I have recently owned a X800XTPE and a 6800GT simultaneously in two identical machines I have at home. When I say identical, I mean down to the transistors. Even the damn cases were the same. I chose my favorite and sold the other without even thinking twice.
This situation applies in any direction. ATI or Nvidia or VolareV8 or whatever the hell.
Here are your posts in linear fashion. So you can see my bold points and a couple of questions.
1. Considering the amount of money (not a factor to everyone) you guys spend on these cards I find it laughable you have so much time to spend arguing about which is better. (speculative) Let's just consider some undeniable facts:
1) It is extremely rare to find a nVidia & ATi card priced the same. For instance the X800XL (pci-e) is priced around $250-300 while it's main competitor is priced from $320-375 at most places (6800gt pci-e). (Exactly reversed for AGP variants)
2) No one card PWNS all others anymore, at least not in this generation. You have to weigh some wants to decide which is better for you: (TRUE) Do you plan on going with an SLi setup at some point down the road? Do you want to play a lot of Doom3? Do you want to get the best bang for the buck & save some money? Do you like using AA & AF on your games? Well, unfortunately, these can't all be found in one card despite what any fanboys will try to tell you.
3) This is the most undeniable fact of all: don't read forum discussions about the cards & take them to heart. What you will invariably find if you do is that people will cite unreliable sources for rediculous benches, try to discredit the respectable sources, and altogether say anything to make what they said the correct opinion.
I haven't haunted the video forum much in my days here, but having spent the past few days reading these threads has made me come to understand why.
Guess what folks, ATi makes terrific cards & nVidia does too. So it all basically comes down to determining your needs, so here is a quick checklist of reasons to buy for each company's cards in the CURRENT generation:
nVidia:
if you play a lot of Doom3
if you plan on playing a lot of Quake 4 (although ATi may have a 3.0shader card by then)
if you plan on going SLi soon (as ATi will have their own version out before long)
if you like nVidia (ahem, fanboy)
ATi:
if you play a lot of Half-Life2 or Madden2005
if you like using AA & AF on your video card
if you're going to wait for the next generation cards (r520, g70,,,if so, wtf are you still reading this for? LoL)
if you like ATi (again, fanboy)
I hope this helps people who have been reading the forest of misinformation that is passed around about these cards. While this is an oversimplification on the subject, I am not getting paid for this so I'm out. May the Schwartz be with you.
2. I will try to find you the review I read, it had screenshots. BBIAF.
OK, it's the HardOCP review of the X800XL. It does a Madden comparison screenshot of the 6800gt & X800XL on top of each other (click on the small picture in the bottom of the page of the link).
HardOCP's X800XL review with Madden screenshot comparison. Look at the yardlines, shoulderpads, etc.
3. Uh yeah, since you obviously read the review you see that they couldn't run them at the same AA & AF and get consistent frames from the 6800gt. As most of the world is well aware, the nVidia cards struggle (Define Struggle)with AA & AF in comparison, thus to have them run at similar FPS, the reviewers will turn down the AA & AF of the nVidia cards to make all things equal.
Here is the somewhat useless apples to apples comparison from the same review.
Now with that out of the way, what I was asked was is ATi really better for Madden. The answer is yes if you look at it logically. In order to run at the same specs, the nVidia card loses frames to the ATi & thus the reviewer is forced to turn down the "extras" on the 6800gt in order to have both cards running at similar frames per second (frames, FPS). Here is the exact quote:
"In Madden NFL 2005 we were able to play at 1600x1200 with 4XAA and 16XAF on the ATI Radeon X800XL and the Radeon X800Pro. You can see that performance was slightly better on the X800XL. The GeForce 6800GT played great at 1600x1200 2XAA/8XAF, and the BFGTech GeForce 6800OC at a resolution below that. Certainly the X800XL is a better card at this $300 price level in this game."
Now, would the 6800gt look as good as the X800XL if it was turned up to 4xAA & 16xAF like the x800 cards were? It depends on the game again, so possibly. Still, you would take a massive FPS hit (Define Massive?) in doing this with the 6800gt as evidenced by the fact he had to cut both AA & AF in half to allow the 6800gt to keep up with the X800XL in MADDEN 2005. I feel I have spent enough time on this subject & thoroughly answered your concern & explained your misinformation to anyone who might read this...and I'm still not getting paid for this so I'm out.
On another note, here is a screen of Doom3 from both cards. Notice the 6800gt looks as good or better than the X800XL with no AA turned on (compared to X800XL's 2xAA).
Doom3 screen to please the nVidia fanboys.
-Please try not to mislead people on this thread, thanks. BTW, I have a 6600gt so I am in no way an ATi fanboy...please don't start that stuff here.
4. Call me wierd but I try to get work done when I am at work? No offense, I'm sure most people share your view, but I am very focused when at work on getting things done.
5. No problem. All the nVidia fanboys are going to jump me now although I said I own an ATi because they don't like what every review you'll ever see says. Anyways, I hope it helps you out & keep in mind...THIS ONLY applies to the current cards (x800, x850, 6800 cards) as all of this could easily change in the next generation of cards.
6. Well Kevin, go argue with the HardOCP reviewer since he gets paid to do this. I could care less what you believe because the fact is you always argue with everyone & I'm not interested.
The HardOCP reviewer did not post this thread. You did. Hence all commentary should be directed towards you.
7. Yeah basically. Unfortunately I can't even answer a question without some lame fanboy attacking what I'm saying. Anyways, the review speaks for itself. The Doom3 screens show that having AA & AF at different setting do not determine which card will look better, and the X800XL looks so much better in Madden it isn't funny. Meanwhile the 6800gt looks better in Doom3 with lower settings (lower settings? what for?) than the X800XL & gets better average frames per second.
8. No, I've just seen you bust into my threads & argue with everyone until they quit posting in the thread. You don't shut up, ever. You're a monumental pain in the ass & not worth debating with, especially when the review MAKES EVERYTHING VERY CLEAR & EASY TO READ. (Is he a pain in the ass because he actually has the nerve to question you or the review your pointing to? Because that is commonplace around here. Question everything is a legitimate strategy.)I guess you think the reviewer is just flat out lying or trying to mislead people, right? Yet he still mentions later in the same review that the 6800gt looks better than the X800XL in Doom3 even at lower settings, but that doesn't matter because I had the audacity to actually say the ATi can outperform the nVidia in something...namely a friggin football game that most people play on consoles anyways. Is that a good enough retort for you?
9. And that is fine so long as it is facts that are being shared. There are too many people here that are trying to learn from the posts we make to just let all the untruths be passed about uncontested. (Nobody really knows the truth if all they do is rely on review sites. There are too many variable's between one site's review of ANY product to the next site's. As I come to trust people in here and know they have their bias in check, I rely on them to give me and others facts based on their experiences.)
END
I am not attacking you. Just showing you that you would have been much better received without the fanboy remarks or the heavy opinions about what is right and wrong. People have their own minds and will decide which is better for them anyway, without trying to show them how stupid they are and how laughable they are. Or by calling "fanboy" over and again.
Are you with me or no?
Keys
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I just bought a 6600GT PCI-E for my own machine, largely because I had read (and so thought) that the ATIs had been eclipsed by the GeForce6 series cards.
I need to buy another card, for my wife's machine -- is there a list around, or can someone give me an overview of what ATI cards are the direct competitors to the 6600GT, 6800GT, 6800 Ultra PCI-Es?
Cheers,
Ashur
(who doesn't particularly care which name brand is best)
I need to buy another card, for my wife's machine -- is there a list around, or can someone give me an overview of what ATI cards are the direct competitors to the 6600GT, 6800GT, 6800 Ultra PCI-Es?
Cheers,
Ashur
(who doesn't particularly care which name brand is best)
Not a chance. In this xbit review of 27 games (31 game benchmarks as 4 games had 2 benches). The X800 XL easily beat the 6800 GT overall. ?? 16x12-4AA/16AF
X800 XL ? 14 wins
6800GT ? 6 wins
TIE ? ? ? 7 ? ? (< 5% difference)
4 of those GT wins are in OGL, so the XL dominates the GT in DX -- 14/2.
90%+ of the games out there are DX so the XL is the faster overall card.
Interesting article Blastman, I will have to look at it in some detail. I just want to make an informed decision (I gambled on SLI for the time being) on what the best buy is, and I could care less what logo is on the product...
(That said, lots of complaints on the comments page that the testing is heavily biased in favour of ATI...)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/discussion/1536.html
Cheers,
-Ashur
(That said, lots of complaints on the comments page that the testing is heavily biased in favour of ATI...)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/discussion/1536.html
Cheers,
-Ashur
Of course it's a joke, I use both nvidia and ati, they both make good cards, 6800GT in my main rig, 6600 in another, and AIW 9600 pro in another, they all serve their purpose well. My roomate uses Intel Extreme(ly crappy) graphics, and wonders why her computer is so horrible at games..
Jeff7181
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When I had my 9800 Pro I felt dirty... (strokes his 6800GT)
LOL... actually I have a 6800GT and I'm happy with it. My 9800 Pro was quirky... AA stopped working for no apparent reason... AF wasn't as good as my FX5900 which it replaced... but then again, neither is my 6800GT's AF.
LOL... actually I have a 6800GT and I'm happy with it. My 9800 Pro was quirky... AA stopped working for no apparent reason... AF wasn't as good as my FX5900 which it replaced... but then again, neither is my 6800GT's AF.
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