ATI price drops - via Xbit

[KeithTalent]

ATI?s Radeon X1900 XTX to Cost $549

After the price-drop, the Radeon X1900 XTX ? the current flagship of ATI ? will cost $549, the Radeon X1900 XT will drop to $479, while the Radeon X1800 XT products with 512MB or 256MB should cost around $299 (512MB version will cost higher than that). Additionally, ATI is expected to introduce Radeon X1800 XL 512MB for $299 and drop the price of the Radeon X1800 XL 256MB.

I was actually expecting a PE edition of some sort, rather than just price drops. Has anyone heard anything about a PE edition card?

 

[Munky]

I'm sure they have something waiting. But a x1800xt 256mb for $299 is an interesting competitor to NV's upcoming 7900gt if it also retails for $299.

 

[n7]

Yay!

This is oh so much better than hearing about price increases.

Price drops ftw!

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
ATI?s Radeon X1900 XTX to Cost $549

After the price-drop, the Radeon X1900 XTX ? the current flagship of ATI ? will cost $549, the Radeon X1900 XT will drop to $479, while the Radeon X1800 XT products with 512MB or 256MB should cost around $299 (512MB version will cost higher than that). Additionally, ATI is expected to introduce Radeon X1800 XL 512MB for $299 and drop the price of the Radeon X1800 XL 256MB.

I was actually expecting a PE edition of some sort, rather than just price drops. Has anyone heard anything about a PE edition card?

Of course it will be enough. ATi vid cards have better feature support and are more "future proof". If they cost the same as the 7900 cards, then nVidia has nothing on them.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: n7
Yay!

This is oh so much better than hearing about price increases.

Price drops ftw!

Price drops = good for everybody (except maybe stockholders).

 

[imported_Finny]

Who knows, maybe nVidia will cut their prices even further?

Doubtful, but regardless, the consumer still wins.

 

[dunno99]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Of course it will be enough. ATi vid cards have better feature support and are more "future proof". If they cost the same as the 7900 cards, then nVidia has nothing on them.

Uh...huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, the 6xxx series had support for SM3.0 and OGL2.0 when the Radeons didn't have that until the X1800 series (which came much later than the 6xxx, if anyone's wondering). Even then, the X1800 didn't implement vertex texture fetch. So I think if anything, nVidia is much, much more "future proof" than ATi.

 

[v8envy]

More interesting tidbits in there. X1600Pro to drop to $107 msrp, XT to $149. Which means street prices puting the X1600Pro up against the 6600 and 7300GS, and the XT against the 6600GT. I guess ATI figured out they want to SELL a few of the entry level cards rather than have them clog up warehouses after all.

 

[KeithTalent]

Doesn't all of this 'future-proof' speculation depend on the software developers? If they follow the FEAR model and make the games shader intensive then ATI will be ahead, but if not maybe Nvidia will be.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Doesn't all of this 'future-proof' speculation depend on the software developers? If they follow the FEAR model and make the games shader intensive then ATI will be ahead, but if not maybe Nvidia will be.

actually, if not "shader intensive" ati and nvidia would be pretty even with the current gen stuff, as ati has 16 tmu's, and so does nvidia (sort of - they have 16 "output" pipes).

if games become more "shader intensive", i'd have to believe the ati has a significant advantage with 48 alu's (shader proc) vs 24 "shared" alu's of nvidia. this is also where the x1900 holds a significant advantage over the x1800xt, which only has 16 tmu's and "only" 16 alu's....

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: dunno99

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Of course it will be enough. ATi vid cards have better feature support and are more "future proof". If they cost the same as the 7900 cards, then nVidia has nothing on them.

Uh...huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, the 6xxx series had support for SM3.0 and OGL2.0 when the Radeons didn't have that until the X1800 series (which came much later than the 6xxx, if anyone's wondering). Even then, the X1800 didn't implement vertex texture fetch. So I think if anything, nVidia is much, much more "future proof" than ATi.

You're wrong. OGL 2.0 makes the most difference for the developers. In terms of the actual hardware features, from an end user perspective, OGL 2.0 is basically the same as OGL 1.5.

Also, no card is future-proof. Ask how many gf6 users are enjoying the latest games like AOE3 in all their sm3+HDR glory. But as it stands, Ati currently has a more advanced feature set.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: dunno99
Even then, the X1800 didn't implement vertex texture fetch. So I think if anything, nVidia is much, much more "future proof" than ATi.

i'm not so sure texture fetch is that big of a deal, it's not a "passive" feature as it requires developers to code specifically for it, and afaik there are no games that take advantage of it.

Originally posted by: munky
Also, no card is future-proof

i certainly agree with that statement.

Ask how many gf6 users are enjoying the latest games like AOE3 in all their sm3+HDR glory. But as it stands, Ati currently has a more advanced feature set.

i am enjoying it on my gf6 (tho i would think an rts would be poor example for a statement like that), and iirc ati cards have a significant issue with aoe3 performance.

 

[Wreckage]

Benchmarks and actual prices (not MSRP) will decide how well the cards sell.

If 7900GT's start showing up at $260 like 7800GT's do, they will sell like donuts at a police convention.

 

[RobertR1]

If the street prices are the same, th Ati cards should dominate the sales. As Ati said in their conf. call there is a faster card coming out. Probably a 700mhz with GDDR4 RAM, which will throne itself on the top of the food chain until the G80/R600 arrive.

BTW, these price wars simply kick ass!!!!

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
BTW, these price wars simply kick ass!!!!

It does make me worry less about buying my next video card. I thought for sure I was going to have to pay $400+, but if I wait a little longer I should be a able to get a good card that does 16x10 for less that $300. Yay! :thumbsup:

 

[RussianSensation]

X1800XT $299 ($100 price drop) will most likely beat 7900GT as X1800XT beats 7800GTX in 11 out of 17 benchmarks at Xbitlabs
The only issue is if availability is a concern (plus 256mb X1800XT have never been around). This card less than 6 months ago cost $549. ($499 MSRP for 256mb version). This shows that buying top of line is expensive on your wallet.

7800GTX 512mb ($399) (huge price drop) - :thumbsup: availability?

X1900XT @ $479 is nice too. Retail prices will probably hit $450 then.

Let's hope 7900GTX can outgun X1900XT.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
If the street prices are the same, th Ati cards should dominate the sales. As Ati said in their conf. call there is a faster card coming out. Probably a 700mhz with GDDR4 RAM, which will throne itself on the top of the food chain until the G80/R600 arrive.

BTW, these price wars simply kick ass!!!!

Umm probably not GDDR4

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: dunno99

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Of course it will be enough. ATi vid cards have better feature support and are more "future proof". If they cost the same as the 7900 cards, then nVidia has nothing on them.

Uh...huh? Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, the 6xxx series had support for SM3.0 and OGL2.0 when the Radeons didn't have that until the X1800 series (which came much later than the 6xxx, if anyone's wondering). Even then, the X1800 didn't implement vertex texture fetch. So I think if anything, nVidia is much, much more "future proof" than ATi.

Wrong, VTF doesn't mean anything since nVidia cards can't run it for ****** (try it in pacific fighters sometime). For VTF ATi utilizes R2VB using fourCC and as for future proofing, the ATi cards have a more robust memory controller with 48 pixel shaders and it can handle dynamic branching far better than G70/G71 can.

 

[vaccarjm]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
ATI?s Radeon X1900 XTX to Cost $549

After the price-drop, the Radeon X1900 XTX ? the current flagship of ATI ? will cost $549, the Radeon X1900 XT will drop to $479, while the Radeon X1800 XT products with 512MB or 256MB should cost around $299 (512MB version will cost higher than that). Additionally, ATI is expected to introduce Radeon X1800 XL 512MB for $299 and drop the price of the Radeon X1800 XL 256MB.

I was actually expecting a PE edition of some sort, rather than just price drops. Has anyone heard anything about a PE edition card?

Of course it will be enough. ATi vid cards have better feature support and are more "future proof". If they cost the same as the 7900 cards, then nVidia has nothing on them.

Oh and let me guess there 5150....nvidia didnt see this happening right? One of the biggest vid companies in history didnt plan that ATI were going to cut prices as well to respond to their 7900 series. Of course Nvidia knows this and im sure they have something planned. They just dont spends zillions of cash not knowing what to expect from ATI.

What do you do for a living? live under a rock?

 

[ronnn]

I thought ati had quit making the x1800 chips. Those prices may just be a fire sale - but will be a good deal for those who buy quickly. Actually this whole round may be a fire sale with nv blowing everything out of the water in a month or two. :beer:

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: vaccarjm

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
ATI?s Radeon X1900 XTX to Cost $549

After the price-drop, the Radeon X1900 XTX ? the current flagship of ATI ? will cost $549, the Radeon X1900 XT will drop to $479, while the Radeon X1800 XT products with 512MB or 256MB should cost around $299 (512MB version will cost higher than that). Additionally, ATI is expected to introduce Radeon X1800 XL 512MB for $299 and drop the price of the Radeon X1800 XL 256MB.

I was actually expecting a PE edition of some sort, rather than just price drops. Has anyone heard anything about a PE edition card?

Of course it will be enough. ATi vid cards have better feature support and are more "future proof". If they cost the same as the 7900 cards, then nVidia has nothing on them.

Oh and let me guess there 5150....nvidia didnt see this happening right? One of the biggest vid companies in history didnt plan that ATI were going to cut prices as well to respond to their 7900 series. Of course Nvidia knows this and im sure they have something planned. They just dont spends zillions of cash not knowing what to expect from ATI.

What do you do for a living? live under a rock?

This isn't so much about "knowing" as it is about "doing." People knew about the r580 for months before its launch, and what the specs were going to be. Nv knew it too, but did they do anything about it? If you still believe Nv was just sitting on a pile g71's, waiting for Ati to release the r580, then I have a bridge to sell you. I remember Jen Hsue (sp) talking about moving all their gpu's to 90nm in the second half of 2005, and look how long it took them to release the g71... it's march 2006, and I'm still waiting!

And then if you get into the whole "I knew that they knew that I knew..." thing, it becomes just pure speculation. Suffice it to say that price drops are a good thing for the consumer, but Nv would not drop prices if they knew they could get away with higher ones, and neither would Ati.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: vaccarjm

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
ATI?s Radeon X1900 XTX to Cost $549

After the price-drop, the Radeon X1900 XTX ? the current flagship of ATI ? will cost $549, the Radeon X1900 XT will drop to $479, while the Radeon X1800 XT products with 512MB or 256MB should cost around $299 (512MB version will cost higher than that). Additionally, ATI is expected to introduce Radeon X1800 XL 512MB for $299 and drop the price of the Radeon X1800 XL 256MB.

I was actually expecting a PE edition of some sort, rather than just price drops. Has anyone heard anything about a PE edition card?

Of course it will be enough. ATi vid cards have better feature support and are more "future proof". If they cost the same as the 7900 cards, then nVidia has nothing on them.

Oh and let me guess there 5150....nvidia didnt see this happening right? One of the biggest vid companies in history didnt plan that ATI were going to cut prices as well to respond to their 7900 series. Of course Nvidia knows this and im sure they have something planned. They just dont spends zillions of cash not knowing what to expect from ATI.

What do you do for a living? live under a rock?

This isn't so much about "knowing" as it is about "doing." People knew about the r580 for months before its launch, and what the specs were going to be. Nv knew it too, but did they do anything about it? If you still believe Nv was just sitting on a pile g71's, waiting for Ati to release the r580, then I have a bridge to sell you. I remember Jen Hsue (sp) talking about moving all their gpu's to 90nm in the second half of 2005, and look how long it took them to release the g71... it's march 2006, and I'm still waiting!

And then if you get into the whole "I knew that they knew that I knew..." thing, it becomes just pure speculation. Suffice it to say that price drops are a good thing for the consumer, but Nv would not drop prices if they knew they could get away with higher ones, and neither would Ati.

Exactly, nVidia has known about R580 and possible counters but technologically they're behind and they simply can't do much aside from drop prices and pushing their SLI/duo/quad SLI to get attention.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: vaccarjm

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
ATI?s Radeon X1900 XTX to Cost $549

After the price-drop, the Radeon X1900 XTX ? the current flagship of ATI ? will cost $549, the Radeon X1900 XT will drop to $479, while the Radeon X1800 XT products with 512MB or 256MB should cost around $299 (512MB version will cost higher than that). Additionally, ATI is expected to introduce Radeon X1800 XL 512MB for $299 and drop the price of the Radeon X1800 XL 256MB.

I was actually expecting a PE edition of some sort, rather than just price drops. Has anyone heard anything about a PE edition card?

Of course it will be enough. ATi vid cards have better feature support and are more "future proof". If they cost the same as the 7900 cards, then nVidia has nothing on them.

Oh and let me guess there 5150....nvidia didnt see this happening right? One of the biggest vid companies in history didnt plan that ATI were going to cut prices as well to respond to their 7900 series. Of course Nvidia knows this and im sure they have something planned. They just dont spends zillions of cash not knowing what to expect from ATI.

What do you do for a living? live under a rock?

This isn't so much about "knowing" as it is about "doing." People knew about the r580 for months before its launch, and what the specs were going to be. Nv knew it too, but did they do anything about it? If you still believe Nv was just sitting on a pile g71's, waiting for Ati to release the r580, then I have a bridge to sell you. I remember Jen Hsue (sp) talking about moving all their gpu's to 90nm in the second half of 2005, and look how long it took them to release the g71... it's march 2006, and I'm still waiting!

And then if you get into the whole "I knew that they knew that I knew..." thing, it becomes just pure speculation. Suffice it to say that price drops are a good thing for the consumer, but Nv would not drop prices if they knew they could get away with higher ones, and neither would Ati.

Exactly, nVidia has known about R580 and possible counters but technologically they're behind and they simply can't do much aside from drop prices and pushing their SLI/duo/quad SLI to get attention.

Sheesh. I remember using the same argument against ATI not to long ago.

Next, Nvidia will be technologically superior and ATI will drop prices and the cycle will start all over again

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: vaccarjm

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
ATI?s Radeon X1900 XTX to Cost $549

After the price-drop, the Radeon X1900 XTX ? the current flagship of ATI ? will cost $549, the Radeon X1900 XT will drop to $479, while the Radeon X1800 XT products with 512MB or 256MB should cost around $299 (512MB version will cost higher than that). Additionally, ATI is expected to introduce Radeon X1800 XL 512MB for $299 and drop the price of the Radeon X1800 XL 256MB.

I was actually expecting a PE edition of some sort, rather than just price drops. Has anyone heard anything about a PE edition card?

Of course it will be enough. ATi vid cards have better feature support and are more "future proof". If they cost the same as the 7900 cards, then nVidia has nothing on them.

Oh and let me guess there 5150....nvidia didnt see this happening right? One of the biggest vid companies in history didnt plan that ATI were going to cut prices as well to respond to their 7900 series. Of course Nvidia knows this and im sure they have something planned. They just dont spends zillions of cash not knowing what to expect from ATI.

What do you do for a living? live under a rock?

This isn't so much about "knowing" as it is about "doing." People knew about the r580 for months before its launch, and what the specs were going to be. Nv knew it too, but did they do anything about it? If you still believe Nv was just sitting on a pile g71's, waiting for Ati to release the r580, then I have a bridge to sell you. I remember Jen Hsue (sp) talking about moving all their gpu's to 90nm in the second half of 2005, and look how long it took them to release the g71... it's march 2006, and I'm still waiting!

And then if you get into the whole "I knew that they knew that I knew..." thing, it becomes just pure speculation. Suffice it to say that price drops are a good thing for the consumer, but Nv would not drop prices if they knew they could get away with higher ones, and neither would Ati.

Exactly, nVidia has known about R580 and possible counters but technologically they're behind and they simply can't do much aside from drop prices and pushing their SLI/duo/quad SLI to get attention.

Sheesh. I remember using the same argument against ATI not to long ago.

Next, Nvidia will be technologically superior and ATI will drop prices and the cycle will start all over again

Maybe but I doubt it since we already have a very good idea what R600 will be about.

 

[SickBeast]

If prices get low enough I might buy something now instead of waiting for R600.

I haven't seen such cut-throat competition in the video market since Matrox had its G400, nVidia had the TNT2, 3DFX had its Voodoo 3, and ATI had some kind of Rage/Radeon card.

I didn't expect a price drop from ATI. I figured that G71 was a reactionary move and that nVidia would set prices to suit what ATI is doing. I think this type of counter-attack from ATI means that there is a price war that will happen. $500 is too much for a top-end GPU anyways. We're about to see how low they can go.