ATI overtakes nVidia in discrete graphics marketshare

[Scali]

GPGPU in PhotoShop is mostly for applying filters.
In Premiere it also does filtering/post-processing and I think it can also be used to accelerate encoding/decoding.
But those are just specific workloads, the rest is running on the CPU.

As I say, I don't see that running on a mobile device... User interface and display would be inadequate, and no matter how much you accelerate it, a desktop system will always be lots faster and easier to use.

 

[AtenRa]

ΑΤΙ lost the DESKTOP Discrete market in Q2 2010 but they won the Mobile Discrete market and the combined two market shares (Desktop + Mobile) put ATI in the lead.

Have a look at the GPU Q2 Market Share analysis in the link below

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/751/gpumsq2.gif

 

[jvroig]

ΑΤΙ lost the DESKTOP Discrete market in Q2 2010 but they won the Mobile Discrete market and the combined two market shares (Desktop + Mobile) put ATI in the lead.

We've been through that breakdown already earlier in the thread, 47th post.

And ATI did not lose - in fact, they went up 11 points while nVidia went down 11 points in the desktop discrete graphics market. They gained a significant marketshare in desktop discrete graphics, even though this gain is not enough to be the marketshare leader in desktop discrete. No matter how you cook it, ATI gained big, nVidia lost big. We know why.

 

[AtenRa]

Actually,
ATIs Desktop Market Share grow up only by 0.7% Quarter to Quarter (Q1 to Q2) (Table 5-4 on the link I gave). NV lost 32% from Q1 to Q2 and the TOTAL market Share declined in the same period by 21%. So ATI didn’t capitalized on NVs market share loss in DESKTOP Discrete graphics.

The big win for ATI is in the Mobile Discrete Market, where they had a 20% growth when NVIDIA lost 7.9% Quarter to Quarter (Q1 to Q2) (Table 5-14 on the link I gave).

 

[jvroig]

The figures I quoted are year to year. From last year to this year, AMD rose 11 percent while nVidia went down 11 percent. This was a few months before the 5xxx series launch.

When you only want to compare it as Q1->Q2, you are missing the bigger picture that the marketshare has shifted significantly since last year. This is important because that marked the launch of Windows 7 and AMD's new series.

EDIT: Also, focusing only on Q1-Q2 of 2010 completely disregards the other past quarters that, taken all in all, shows the trend of nVidia's share eroding and AMD gaining.

 

[AtenRa]

The figures you quote are the Share Change (in Points) of Q2 2009 with Q2 2010 and yes NV lost 10.9 points when ATI gained 11 points.

But that doesn’t change the fact, that for the Q2 2010 NV had 55,2 of the Total DESKTOP Discrete market Share when ATI had 44,5 (Table 5-4), that’s why I said ATI lost that market.

 

[waffleironhead]

ΑΤΙ lost the DESKTOP Discrete market in Q2 2010 but they won the Mobile Discrete market and the combined two market shares (Desktop + Mobile) put ATI in the lead.

Have a look at the GPU Q2 Market Share analysis in the link below

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/751/gpumsq2.gif

RTT, this has been covered. AMD won in total combined, yes.

 

[jvroig]

But that doesn’t change the fact, that for the Q2 2010 NV had 55,2 of the Total DESKTOP Discrete market Share when ATI had 44,5%

Yes, we have already discussed that fact. It has been noted and appreciated by those in this thread way back in the first few pages.

Nvidia has been leading that segment for a long time. AMD closed the gap significantly, aside from leading in the other segments (integrated and mobile discrete).

No matter how you look at it, from a period of a year, AMD won significantly, while nVidia suffered some losses. Even in the discrete desktop market, AMD used to have 33 percent while nVidia used to have 66. Now, AMD has 44 and nVidia has 55. Who lost anything, AMD or nVidia?

Let's put it in a clearer light:

Desktop Discrete Market:
Last Year: NV = 66, AMD = 33
This Year: NV = 55, AMD = 44

Again, I ask, who lost anything? Not AMD. They won marketshare, while NV lost marketshare. NV is still the dominant player in the discrete desktop graphics segment, but this is not good news for them by any stretch, and certainly not a victory of any kind for nVidia.

 

[Janooo]

The figures you quote are the Share Change (in Points) of Q2 2009 with Q2 2010 and yes NV lost 10.9 points when ATI gained 11 points.

But that doesn’t change the fact, that for the Q2 2010 NV had 55,2 of the Total DESKTOP Discrete market Share when ATI had 44,5 (Table 5-4), that’s why I said ATI lost that market.

Here is the issue, there is no "total desktop discrete" segment.
Your image shows two separate segments: standalone graphics (5.2) and overall desktop graphics (5.4).

Standalone is discrete: AMD 51.1% - NV 48.8%
Overall: NV 55.2% - AMD 44.5%

I hope this helps.

 

[AtenRa]

Here is the issue, there is no "total desktop discrete" segment.
Your image shows two separate segments: standalone graphics (5.2) and overall desktop graphics (5.4).

Standalone is discrete: AMD 51.1% - NV 48.8%
Overall: NV 55.2% - AMD 44.5%

Table 5-2 (Standalone Graphics), shows both Desktop (Discrete) (Table 5-4) and Portable/mobile (no onboard) (Table 5-14) of the TOTAL discrete graphics Market Share where for the first time ATI is in the lead, but in desktop (Table 5-4) ATI is still second.

 

[Janooo]

Table 5-2 (Standalone Graphics), shows both Desktop (Discrete) (Table 5-4) and Portable/mobile (no onboard) (Table 5-14) of the TOTAL discrete graphics Market Share where for the first time ATI is in the lead, but in desktop (Table 5-4) ATI is still second.

That's correct. AMD is stronger in mobile and NV in desktop.
It's going to be interesting to see if the trend continues and AMD overtakes desktop as well in the next quarter.

 

[AtenRa]

I don’t believe this will happen,

I think NV will increase there share in the Desktop market in Q3 because they released the GF104 and they are going to release the GF106 in September thought this chipset will not play a big role in the Q3, but it will in Q4.

ATI will only introduce a new Chipset in Q4 the SI and they are going to release the High End cards first ($300 and up segment) witch occupies, only the 10% of the total desktop market share.

NV desperately needs to boost there mobile discrete market share with new DX-11 chipsets in order to take the lead back or increase there desktop share.

 

[jvroig]

Chipsets are different beasts. What you are referring to with "GF104/106" and "Southern Islands" are GPU families.

AMD 890FX is a chipset. Fermi is not a chipset.

 

[Janooo]

I don’t believe this will happen,

I think NV will increase there share in the Desktop market in Q3 because they released the GF104 and they are going to release the GF106 in September thought this chipset will not play a big role in the Q3, but it will in Q4.

ATI will only introduce a new Chipset in Q4 the SI and they are going to release the High End cards first ($300 and up segment) witch occupies, only the 10% of the total desktop market share.

NV desperately needs to boost there mobile discrete market share with new DX-11 chipsets in order to take the lead back or increase there desktop share.

NV lowered the revenue forecast. It seems AMD will overtake NV in the desktop as well.

 

[AtenRa]

I was referring to the GPU chip.

 

[Acanthus]

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[AtenRa]

NV lowered the revenue forecast. It seems AMD will overtake NV in the desktop as well.

Well, will have to wait and see

 

[ZimZum]

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