ati new chipset

[w00t]

I am deciding on the new ati chipset or the nf4 board.Which one do you think lets me open minded people not just hardcore nf4. i am not concerned will SLI so please do not use that as a reason. i am a gamer who plays cs, will play cs source, hl2, maybe doom 3, dod source. I am going to get an ATI if that has anything to do with what mobo to get. will the ati chipset be good? is this the one with intergrated grahics? will there be alot of problems or is that just a rumor since it will be there 1st chipset. will it have pci-e? how much will it cost? the mobo company i like the best is DFI so i will probably get a DFI board.

tell me anything you know about ati chipset.tell me which one is better?why?.

also, i would like to know what the new grahics cards will be coming out when the nf4 boards and ati chipsets(when is ati chipset coming out)

I think that is all have fun. =0

 

[a64fxman]

hii

the ATi chipset has the same, if not better performance than than the established chipset maker (Via, nforce etc.)

It has some additional features such as the ability to run triple monitor if you add in an extra video card to that that supports dual monitor, so you get 1 monitor from the integrated video, 2 from ur AGP/PCIe video card.

 

[ts3433]

Chipsets make very little performance difference on the A64 platform because there's no memory controller to tweak on that end. For stability, overclocking, and features in general, though, you'll see the NForce ones being recommended most often.

No all-new cards are confirmed to be coming out right when NF4 and ATI PCIe chipsets are in circulation, just probably wider availability of current PCIe versions of cards released on AGP. For this reason, you might as well just build with an NF3 for now. AGP won't be going anywhere for a little while, at least.

 

[w00t]

man ati is smart. when will this be out?

 

[a64fxman]

http://www.ati.com/products/ra...ss200series/index.html

click on the mobo manufacturer's logo at the bottom. Its a very new product.

 

[coolred]

There will be 2 versions(at least) one with integrated video, the other without. I would think it would be on par with the NF4 in performance. Its not ATI's first chipset. It is thier first AMD based chipset. So while there could be some bugs, there really shouldn't be anything worse then you would find on any other manufacturers chipsets. It may not be a huge differance, but an ATI card will probablly benchmark a little faster on an ATI chipset, the same goes for nVidia on nVidia. But I doubt it is eneough performance to really notice. I would go ahead and wait for some reviews to see if they find anything problematic with it. But I think it will be a solid chipset on par with the NF4.

Although I am not totally sure on the price. I would assume it would be in line with a comparable NF4, but that is just and assumption. Yes it will be PCI express, and I haven't heard much about what motherboard manufacturers will be producing the boards. Hopefully DFI will launch one, but who knows.

 

[gobucks]

Have you seen benchmarks of the latest NF4 retail boards like Gigabyte and Asus? ATI may have been able to keep up with NF4 reference boards, but these retail boards are a substantial 5% faster than reference, so unless ATI can really get its retail boards up to snuff, they are not gonna be able to boast a performance advantage. As for the retail boards themselves, it's not looking too good. Mobo makers so far seem to be mainly interested in using it in the low-end/SFF segment, which is kind of a bummer. This is likely because of its decidedly low-end feature set, which is a shame. If you're looking low end, or SFF, or just like the integrated graphics, which I admit are pretty good, then ATI will definitely be a better choice than the vanilla NF4, but the Xpress 200 can't hold a candle to the Ultra or SLI boards.

 

[w00t]

cool sounds like i am gonna get ati chipset, without intergrated grahics. gonna wait for the new ati cards too : 0

 

[a64fxman]

the X850XT PE is coming soon

 

[Geforcer]

i wish it would have something similar to sli from nvidia

 

[w00t]

thing looks like a vacumm lol "dust buster"
and performance wise wont be that much better i heard.
but i will just have to wait plus different companys will make the card so it wont look like that.

 

[coolred]

Where have you seen reviews comparing non referance NF4 boards to the a radeon Xpress board? ANd I assume the radeon xpress had to be a referance board, right? If so thats why the NF4 was beating it. When you compare retail NF 4 to retail radeon xpress, I think they will easily be within the margin of what is noticeable and what is not. Meaning one board may be a few percent faster, but nothing a common user would notice.

Please link me to these benches you have as I would like to see what your referring to.

I do agree the NF4 has a lot better feature set. But all that means is it will be cheaper to manufacture, thus cheaper to sell=cost less for us. Besides, while I know this doesn't cover everyone, how many people really gonna blow the wad of cash on a NCQ 300Mb/s hard drive. I do think ATI should have included Gbe, but even that isn't that widely used yet by mainstream users. I also agree that these boards will find thier way into a lot of SFF. Plus when they combine it with the rage550 chip, look out. that will be an awesome HTPC rig. Plus one thing ATI offers that nVidia isn't is surround view or whatever its called. With a dual head video card and the integrated graphics, thats 3 monitors. Sure it can be done on an NF4, but not as easily. And I think people that want multiple monitors will be close to the same amount of people that need NCQ and Gbe, seperately, not combined.

Originally posted by: gobucks
Have you seen benchmarks of the latest NF4 retail boards like Gigabyte and Asus? ATI may have been able to keep up with NF4 reference boards, but these retail boards are a substantial 5% faster than reference, so unless ATI can really get its retail boards up to snuff, they are not gonna be able to boast a performance advantage. As for the retail boards themselves, it's not looking too good. Mobo makers so far seem to be mainly interested in using it in the low-end/SFF segment, which is kind of a bummer. This is likely because of its decidedly low-end feature set, which is a shame. If you're looking low end, or SFF, or just like the integrated graphics, which I admit are pretty good, then ATI will definitely be a better choice than the vanilla NF4, but the Xpress 200 can't hold a candle to the Ultra or SLI boards.

 

[w00t]

ya i would like to see those benchmarks too 8)

 

[MDE]

Link
Reference ATI Radeon Xpress 200 board, Reference nForce4 Ultra board and an MSI nForce3 250Gb board.