ATI months ahead of NVIDIA with DirectX 11 GPU schedule?

[Sylvanas]

Source Xbitlabs

The new generation of graphics processors with DirectX 11 capabilities will not only further boost functionality of chips, but will also bring new levels of performance. Since there are months before the launches of both RV870 and GT300, specifications of the newcomers have not leaked yet. According to Heise Online, AMD plans to release its RV870 in late July or early August; meanwhile, according to The Inquirer web-site, Nvidia?s GT300 will only be shipped on October 15, if everything goes as planned.

 

[cbn]

If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

 

[chizow]

Looks good, I'm sure many will be interested in what the next-generation brings in terms of performance. Unless RV870 is ~1.75-2x the performance of RV790 however, I think most people will at least wait and see what GT300 offers before buying, especially after the latest round of product refreshes.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: chizow
Looks good, I'm sure many will be interested in what the next-generation brings in terms of performance. Unless RV870 is ~1.75-2x the performance of RV790 however, I think most people will at least wait and see what GT300 offers before buying, especially after the latest round of product refreshes.

Early adopters aside you are probably right. My next build is not until January anyway so I look forward to seeing what each has to offer.

I do find it funny though that the source for the G300 not launching until October is The Inquirer

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

Well they were "best" in every single generation between the 9700 era and the time the 8800 cards came out. First to release though, no not every time.

 

[bryanW1995]

I know that they were right about gt200, but I suspect that nvidia will find a way to have SOMETHING new out if rv870 does launch first. Well, unless they end up having some sort of 2900xt-type debacle...

and btw, I do think that it would be a huge coup for either camp to do a hard launch that the other team could only respond to with rumors. As an example, if nvidia launched first and had, say a 50% performance increase, they would kick amd's butt until amd was able to release their new card. Even if amd's new card was 50 % faster than the new nvidia card, nvidia would still sell the shit out of it since it would be the only "new" game in town.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

Yeah the R300 launched in 2002 and they have pretty much struggled ever since. After that NVIDIA launched the 6xxx series with SLI, SM3 and Purevideo. ATI pretty much just played catch up.

 

[Tempered81]

id guess rv870 is 1.4 times faster than rv770, at most. most likely 1.25 average

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
id guess rv870 is 1.4 times faster than rv770, at most. most likely 1.25 average

What if ATI increases the die size though?

Am I right in saying that thus far only Nvidia has increased Die size (when the GT200 debuted).

Doesn't the current ATI product HD48xx run on a smaller die size than Nvidia?

Whatever the situation ends up being it may be that a larger than usual amount of "gains" next generation come from software (DX 11) related issues.

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I know that they were right about gt200, but I suspect that nvidia will find a way to have SOMETHING new out if rv870 does launch first.

GTX 289 Type R Tokyo Edition

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

Yeah the R300 launched in 2002 and they have pretty much struggled ever since. After that NVIDIA launched the 6xxx series with SLI, SM3 and Purevideo. ATI pretty much just played catch up.

Well, the X800XT was arguably the fastest card of its time.

The X1900XTX was the fastest card of its time.

The 4870X2 was the fastest card of its time.

I guess I could also add the 9800Pro to the mix for nostalgia's sake.

AMD has been very competitive with NV for over a decade on many levels.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

Yeah the R300 launched in 2002 and they have pretty much struggled ever since. After that NVIDIA launched the 6xxx series with SLI, SM3 and Purevideo. ATI pretty much just played catch up.

Why is this guy still allowed to be posting

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

Yeah the R300 launched in 2002 and they have pretty much struggled ever since. After that NVIDIA launched the 6xxx series with SLI, SM3 and Purevideo. ATI pretty much just played catch up.

Why is this guy still allowed to be posting

Are we allowed to call him out like that?

I know that knowingly posting false information is a bannable offense. Can we prove that he knew that was false, though?

This thread could get messy.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

Yeah the R300 launched in 2002 and they have pretty much struggled ever since. After that NVIDIA launched the 6xxx series with SLI, SM3 and Purevideo. ATI pretty much just played catch up.

Why is this guy still allowed to be posting

Why are you calling someone out personally?

You are the only one in this thread violating ToS.





On topic, what is the point of DX11 capable cards before W7 goes retail?

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

Yeah the R300 launched in 2002 and they have pretty much struggled ever since. After that NVIDIA launched the 6xxx series with SLI, SM3 and Purevideo. ATI pretty much just played catch up.

Why is this guy still allowed to be posting

Back when I looked at video cards in 2003 (for the first time) it was said ATI 9800 series was definitely better than Nvidia.

Since then Nvidia has improved massively. 6800 vs X800? 7900 vs X1900. 8800 vs 2900/3800. Then came GT200 and because they were first to market Nvidia was able to charge $399 for a 192 SP GTX 260.

It wasn't till ATI launched RV770 that the competition was really forced to drop prices on GT200.

Now things are potentially the reverse. ATI may have the first to market advantage with DX11 cards/RV870. If so they will temporairly have no competition and with the 40nm process able to reap significant profits compared to existing dual GPU 55nm offering from Nvidia.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
AMD has been very competitive with NV for over a decade on many levels.

Don't bother...the thread just gets derailed.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

Yeah the R300 launched in 2002 and they have pretty much struggled ever since. After that NVIDIA launched the 6xxx series with SLI, SM3 and Purevideo. ATI pretty much just played catch up.

The X1900XTX was the fastest card of its time.

The 4870X2 was the fastest card of its time.

I guess I could also add the 9800Pro to the mix for nostalgia's sake.

AMD has been very competitive with NV for over a decade on many levels.

That is true http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2679 but how long did they actually have the midcycle "refresh lead" before NV came out with 7900?

From what I remember of 2006 ATI had the advantage in games like Oblivion but Nvidia was still better overall.

Just take a look at this graph with respect to oblivion http://www.anandtech.com/video...spx?i=2858&p=7....then If you read the conclusion of this article and look at the other other games compared I think it is fair to say Nvidia had the upper hand during this era.

Not to mention NV7800 came out before ATI X1800 http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2552

As far as HD2900/HD3800 compared to Nvidia 8800 I think it is obvious who was winning there.

Again with GT200 the outcome was also obvious....Nvidia had very weak competition (till RV870) and up and till that point could get away with the unopposed mark-ups.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

Yeah the R300 launched in 2002 and they have pretty much struggled ever since. After that NVIDIA launched the 6xxx series with SLI, SM3 and Purevideo. ATI pretty much just played catch up.

Well, the X800XT was arguably the fastest card of its time.

6800 Ultra vs X800XT might have been a toss-up but didn't SLI work a whole lot better than Crossfire in that era?

So in the time period after ATI 9800 series (that I mentioned in post #2 of this thread) I think Nvidia had the better and first to market tech with respect to multi-GPU technology. (See my post above this for the Nvidia advantage in subsequent years).

I think it is fair to say this DX11 launch for ATI could be the beginning of good fortunes for them.

 

[mmnno]

Originally posted by: Just learning

Originally posted by: jaredpace
id guess rv870 is 1.4 times faster than rv770, at most. most likely 1.25 average

What if ATI increases the die size though?

Am I right in saying that thus far only Nvidia has increased Die size (when the GT200 debuted).

Doesn't the current ATI product HD48xx run on a smaller die size than Nvidia?

Whatever the situation ends up being it may be that a larger than usual amount of "gains" next generation come from software (DX 11) related issues.

Geez, I hope not. What if they launch it as a $600 part?

I think pretty much everyone will wait for nVidia's parts anyway after what happened this round.

 

[Pantalaimon]

Again with GT200 the outcome was also obvious....Nvidia had very weak competition (till RV870) and up and till that point could get away with the unopposed mark-ups

I wouldn't say the outcome was obvious with the GT200. NVIDIA had to drop the prices to almost half in less than a month on their GT200 models after the HD4850 and HD4870 came out.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Again with GT200 the outcome was also obvious....Nvidia had very weak competition (till RV870) and up and till that point could get away with the unopposed mark-ups

NVIDIA had to drop the prices to almost half in less than a month on their GT200 models after the HD4850 and HD4870 came out.

That was because GT200 >> HD3870x2

Fact is (with the exception of the "midcycle" X1900XTX) Nvidia has always been "first to market" with the new generation of cards and Multi-GPU technologies.

For example 6800 beat X800 to market.

SLI beat Crossfire to market.

7800 beat X1800 to market.

8800 beat 2900XT to market (and was a whole lot better)

GT200 beat HD48xx to market and is better (although possibly more expensive to produce than HD48xx)

But now for the first time in a long while AMD/ATI has its first major chance to get some of the "first adopter" market.

 

[Keysplayr]

Good, Bad & Ugly.

The Good: ATI first to market with a next gen product in a very long time.
Early adopters will buy the product.

The Bad: As Chizow had mentioned, most will wait for Nvidia's product launch to see how it compares. If all goes well for Nvidia, it's just a two month window between ATI's launch and NV's.

The Ugly: Nvidia launches a DX11.1 part.

 

[james1701]

One problem for ATI this time is the fact they caught Nvidia with their pants down this last time. They were able to offer 80% of the performance for 50% of the price. I think a lot of people will wait to buy buy because they want to see if Nvidia releases a much faster product this time, and not get caught like they did the last time, with a grossly over priced card.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Just learning
If this is true I think it will really help ATI.

I mean seriously when was the last time they were considered "the best" and "first to market"? Wasn't it in 2003 with the 9800 series cards?

As far as "the best" since 2003 goes, ATI/AMD have had plenty of cards that were considered "the best" available at the time. X800XT PE, X1800XT PE, X1900XTX, X1950XTX, 3870 X2, 4870 X2. And lately AMD cards have been cleaning up in the "best performance per dollar" category.

If you're looking for "first to market", they were first to market with GDDR4, first to market with GDDR5, first to market with a DX10.1 card, first (AFAIK) to release a video card that with a GPU that can run at 1 GHz at stock voltages, first to break the single-precision teraflop barrier and within days will be first to market a 40nm video card.

Both ATI/AMD and Nvidia have had their fair share of "firsts" and "bests" over the years.

 

[Elfear]

Nvidia has been faster to market on a lot of products but ATI has been "the best" quite a few times.

X850XT > 6800 Ultra
X1800XT > 7800GTX (after a few driver releases)
X1900(50)XT > 7900GTX
4870X2 > 280 GTX

Nvidia did have a long reign of supremecy with G80 but to say that ATI has been behind since R300 is just ignorant.


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