ATI just lost a fanboi!

[BugsBunny1078]

Let me tell you something about ATI.
I have their TV card. Their software has alot of bugs.
THey release upgrades for it. SO I was able to upgrade until version 8.9
8.9 will not install if you have an nvidia 3d card. It instralls fine if you have an Ati card.
SO At some point I got an ATI 9600 se and had it for 3 weeks. I install the newest update for tv. Then I return ATI card and install nvidia card. Ati TV works fine with NVidia card. Only installer wants to punish anyone who has no ati video card by not allowing upgrade. Big Jerks ATI.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rbV5

WTH is "Gemstar" anyway? The ECS of video cards?

Gemstar is the EPG for AIW cards.

Since you're apparently using their lower end hardware from over 2 years ago,

AIW cards are not their lower end hardware.

IMO, a generic unknown version of a card that's over 2 years old is "lower end", everyone has their own view of "high" and "low" end though.

 

[Jeff7]

As far as I know, the $10 is in part to cover shipping (or is that extra), but also for the license for the MPEG2 decoder itself.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
As far as I know, the $10 is in part to cover shipping (or is that extra), but also for the license for the MPEG2 decoder itself.

Shipping is extra. And as for licensing, I already HAVE an mpeg decoder that came with my card, PLUS I have a licensed copy of PowerDVD EX that came with my sound card (and IMHO blows away ATI's DVD player).

As for comments about "low end" cards... All three of my cards are built by ATI. Only the LE is a low end card, and listed to illustrate the prevalance of ATI cards in my home. The other two are AIWs and those are NEVER low end cards when released.

I disabled the DVD portion of the install package and it installed a new MMC, but still the same old Gemstar crap.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

ATI just lost a fanboi!

That's OK, I took your place I'm damned impressed with this 9800pro and despite all the horror stories about driver issues related to switching between nV and ATI, I just removed the det's using add/remove and uninstalled the card, then installed the 9800pro and installed the 4.3's and it's been like butter :beer: It has been just as good 2D/3D as my 5800U and in the case of FarCry better 3D. My only gripes so far are the cheesy stock cooling and lack of ram sinks which make this card a horrible overclocker and the control panel interface. The cooling issue isn't a big deal though because I have a VGA silencer coming. I still love my nV stuff but I have rekindled my lovefest with ATI now as well. Imagine that, someone who can like both products at the same time

BTW, if you are sweating a saw buck it's time to seek more gainful employment

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

ATI just lost a fanboi!

That's OK, I took your place I'm damned impressed with this 9800pro and despite all the horror stories about driver issues related to switching between nV and ATI, I just removed the det's using add/remove and uninstalled the card, then installed the 9800pro and installed the 4.3's and it's been like butter :beer: It has been just as good 2D/3D as my 5800U and in the case of FarCry better 3D. My only gripes so far are the cheesy stock cooling and lack of ram sinks which make this card a horrible overclocker and the control panel interface. The cooling issue isn't a big deal though because I have a VGA silencer coming. I still love my nV stuff but I have rekindled my lovefest with ATI now as well. Imagine that, someone who can like both products at the same time

BTW, if you are sweating a saw buck it's time to seek more gainful employment

Dammit Punisher! Now people are going to think you got the better of me trading me the 5800U for the 9800P. You were supposed to keep that QUIET!

LOL- good point on "sweating the ten bucks"- the guy probably could have made $10 just by working minimum wage for the time he's put into this thread.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

ATI just lost a fanboi!

That's OK, I took your place I'm damned impressed with this 9800pro and despite all the horror stories about driver issues related to switching between nV and ATI, I just removed the det's using add/remove and uninstalled the card, then installed the 9800pro and installed the 4.3's and it's been like butter :beer: It has been just as good 2D/3D as my 5800U and in the case of FarCry better 3D. My only gripes so far are the cheesy stock cooling and lack of ram sinks which make this card a horrible overclocker and the control panel interface. The cooling issue isn't a big deal though because I have a VGA silencer coming. I still love my nV stuff but I have rekindled my lovefest with ATI now as well. Imagine that, someone who can like both products at the same time

BTW, if you are sweating a saw buck it's time to seek more gainful employment

Dammit Punisher! Now people are going to think you got the better of me trading me the 5800U for the 9800P. You were supposed to keep that QUIET!

LOL- good point on "sweating the ten bucks"- the guy probably could have made $10 just by working minimum wage for the time he's put into this thread.

$10 = 15 minutes of work. Do I care about $10? No. Do I care about spending $10 after already spending hundreds on the hardware? Yes.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

$10 = 15 minutes of work. Do I care about $10? No. Do I care about spending $10 after already spending hundreds on the hardware? Yes

Well I respect your principles, I just don't share them

 

[chsh1ca]

If you don't like it, go ahead and buy all NVidia cards. I'd recommend MSI, but when they ask you for $10 to replace your driver installation CD you might flip out, so stay away from them.
Actually, I don't know a single software vendor that would replace a CD at no cost. I know to replace CDs with say, Microsoft, they tend to charge you a $20 fee for replacing the CD. You screwed the CD up, and didn't have a copy for backup purposes, it's really your problem. Saying that ATI is jipping you out of anything is complete BS. And yes, I have backup CDs of all the driver stuff I can't download off the 'net. Sounds to me like you're angry that you screwed up and instead of saying "yup, I screwed up", you're blaming ATI for your mistake.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: chsh1ca
If you don't like it, go ahead and buy all NVidia cards. I'd recommend MSI, but when they ask you for $10 to replace your driver installation CD you might flip out, so stay away from them.
Actually, I don't know a single software vendor that would replace a CD at no cost. I know to replace CDs with say, Microsoft, they tend to charge you a $20 fee for replacing the CD. You screwed the CD up, and didn't have a copy for backup purposes, it's really your problem. Saying that ATI is jipping you out of anything is complete BS. And yes, I have backup CDs of all the driver stuff I can't download off the 'net. Sounds to me like you're angry that you screwed up and instead of saying "yup, I screwed up", you're blaming ATI for your mistake.

They ARE jipping him. He can't install the newer versions of ATi's MMC, nor can I. He's not asking for a replacement disc, just to be able to download it.

Oh, I didn't know that Microsoft advocated creating personal backups either

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[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: chsh1ca
If you don't like it, go ahead and buy all NVidia cards. I'd recommend MSI, but when they ask you for $10 to replace your driver installation CD you might flip out, so stay away from them.
Actually, I don't know a single software vendor that would replace a CD at no cost. I know to replace CDs with say, Microsoft, they tend to charge you a $20 fee for replacing the CD. You screwed the CD up, and didn't have a copy for backup purposes, it's really your problem. Saying that ATI is jipping you out of anything is complete BS. And yes, I have backup CDs of all the driver stuff I can't download off the 'net. Sounds to me like you're angry that you screwed up and instead of saying "yup, I screwed up", you're blaming ATI for your mistake.

Please read the original post. I HAVE the ORIGINAL CD. I don't WANT or NEED a replacement.

 

[nRollo]

I think these guys can help you out with the Gemstar, and any other, drivers:

Comprehensive driver site


If not them, maybe these guys:

Off brand parts help

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I think these guys can help you out with the Gemstar, and any other, drivers:

Comprehensive driver site


If not them, maybe these guys:

Off brand parts help

Great, now I want to go to a Quizno's....

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: MDE

Originally posted by: Rollo
I think these guys can help you out with the Gemstar, and any other, drivers:

Comprehensive driver site


If not them, maybe these guys:

Off brand parts help

Great, now I want to go to a Quizno's....

LOL (for real)

 

[ZimZum]

oops

 

[chsh1ca]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: chsh1ca
If you don't like it, go ahead and buy all NVidia cards. I'd recommend MSI, but when they ask you for $10 to replace your driver installation CD you might flip out, so stay away from them.
Actually, I don't know a single software vendor that would replace a CD at no cost. I know to replace CDs with say, Microsoft, they tend to charge you a $20 fee for replacing the CD. You screwed the CD up, and didn't have a copy for backup purposes, it's really your problem. Saying that ATI is jipping you out of anything is complete BS. And yes, I have backup CDs of all the driver stuff I can't download off the 'net. Sounds to me like you're angry that you screwed up and instead of saying "yup, I screwed up", you're blaming ATI for your mistake.

Please read the original post. I HAVE the ORIGINAL CD. I don't WANT or NEED a replacement.

I did. You stated it says you have an invalid disc, which, IME means one of two things: 1) the Disc is scratched and needs to be replaced, or 2) the installer is corrupted and/or doesn't apply to your cards. Either way, a quick contact to ATI tech support via email should answer that question. You have no backup CD to attempt to do this with, and you have evidently no guarantee that the whole CD is any good, nor did you apparently attempt to contact ATI tech support and discuss the matter. If it is the former in my list, then you need the replacement CD.

The major point of your bitch is that this is software that is required to use your hardware. I fail to see how that applies to the Gemstar software. You said it yourself, you already have alternatives to using the bundled ATI software, which you have deemed is better anyways:

I already HAVE an mpeg decoder that came with my card, PLUS I have a licensed copy of PowerDVD EX that came with my sound card (and IMHO blows away ATI's DVD player).

back at ya.

 

[rbV5]

IMO, a generic unknown version of a card that's over 2 years old is "lower end", everyone has their own view of "high" and "low" end though

Generic? AIW cards are ATI's highend cards despite what you may claim.

Please read the original post. I HAVE the ORIGINAL CD. I don't WANT or NEED a replacement.

Gemstar is the same on all installation discs (the actual version# may be different, but the update wizard updates them to the same version)

The DVD player software is different, the newer cards can't use their installation disc to verify the older DVD decoders any more than the older cards can use their disc to verify the newer...do you get it yet?

ALL MMC VERSIONS ARE FREELY AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD AND WILL INSTALL ON ANY AIW RADEON CARD.

Nvidia uses the same Gemstar Guide+ EPG for their upcoming updated Forceware Multimedia Suite (if it ever gets here), and they charge $39.95 for NVDVD (when its actually available) For Personal Cinema, downloads include Forceware graphic driver and WDM driver only

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: rbV5

IMO, a generic unknown version of a card that's over 2 years old is "lower end", everyone has their own view of "high" and "low" end though

Generic? AIW cards are ATI's highend cards despite what you may claim.

Rollo can correct me if Im wrong but I believe he is pointing out that a Radeon 8500 isnt a high end card and nor is a 9000Pro... not that AIW cards themselves are low end.

I find the bulk of this thread rather confusing. It sounds as though DurocShark cannot download the latest version of some software from the site because the CD he has containing the orignal software doesnt qualify for an update. If this is true then its rather confusing that something like this were to happen... and I would certainly be annoyed if I had to pay for software I felt I should be able to upgrade for free.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: rbV5

IMO, a generic unknown version of a card that's over 2 years old is "lower end", everyone has their own view of "high" and "low" end though

Generic? AIW cards are ATI's highend cards despite what you may claim.

Rollo can correct me if Im wrong but I believe he is pointing out that a Radeon 8500 isnt a high end card and nor is a 9000Pro... not that AIW cards themselves are low end.

I find the bulk of this thread rather confusing. It sounds as though DurocShark cannot download the latest version of some software from the site because the CD he has containing the orignal software doesnt qualify for an update. If this is true then its rather confusing that something like this were to happen... and I would certainly be annoyed if I had to pay for software I felt I should be able to upgrade for free.

Rollo is commenting on crap he obviously knows little about. Much like the OP, he has just noticed that he can't use his installation disc to verify the new version DVD decoder download (he can certainly download the version that he can verify with his installation CD), when its been like that for well over a year and has nothing to do with the Gemstar Guide+ plus EPG (which isn't even ATI's software BTW)...not exactly someone thats up to date on the state of HIS hardware.

 

[CraigRT]

I think that's pretty lame... it's too bad ATI makes great hardware.

 

[Keysplayr]

Its pretty lame to charge for software drivers, but actual applications I can see charging for. Probably a lot more manhours go into creating these apps than drivers. I would just pay the 10 bucks and be done with it. ATI employees have to eat to ( not talking about executives here ).

 

[nRollo]

Rollo can correct me if Im wrong but I believe he is pointing out that a Radeon 8500 isnt a high end card and nor is a 9000Pro... not that AIW cards themselves are low end

You're partly right, rB5 is (rudely) partly right.

I wanted to say that you it might not be so unreasonable for ATI to ask for money for software for a two plus year old part that would today be considered low end.
You have to draw the line somewhere, and there's maintenance/cost involved with putting the sofware out for ftp.

rB5 is right in that I thought "Gemstar" was some cheapie clone version of the AIW, as did Viper apparently:

You got a non built by ati card and want free ati software.

So he's right in that I didn't know what Gemstar is, although as usual, impolite about pointing it out.

 

[Matthias99]

As far as I know, the $10 is in part to cover shipping (or is that extra), but also for the license for the MPEG2 decoder itself.

The DVD player software is different, the newer cards can't use their installation disc to verify the older DVD decoders any more than the older cards can use their disc to verify the newer...do you get it yet?

ALL MMC VERSIONS ARE FREELY AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD AND WILL INSTALL ON ANY AIW RADEON CARD.

The OP is confused here. MMC is free if you have an ATI card. They are only charging you $10 because that's what ATI has to pay for the license on the MPEG DVD Decoder. If you don't download the DVD Decoder portion of the utilities, it's free. And since you already have PowerDVD, you don't need their decoder/player anyway. You don't like it, take it up with the DVD Consortium.

 

[rbV5]

So he's right in that I didn't know what Gemstar is, although as usual, impolite about pointing it out.

I answered you right after you asked:

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: rbV5

WTH is "Gemstar" anyway? The ECS of video cards?

Gemstar is the EPG for AIW cards.

Since you're apparently using their lower end hardware from over 2 years ago,

AIW cards are not their lower end hardware.

IMO, a generic unknown version of a card that's over 2 years old is "lower end", everyone has their own view of "high" and "low" end though.

And then you proceed to flame him for his 8500le, which of course can't use the Gemstar software since its not an AIW anyway, but of course you don't know that, but feel compelled to comment on it anyway. AIW cards are highend Multimedia cards, its not all about the games you know

 

[flexy]

whow....you are a dumbo..sorry....

You have ANCIENT video-cards in your system.

Cards i can get off ebay for $30 or so...cards ATI does not make money off anymore....and then you expect free stuff coming in because you own these three old cards ?

NEVERTHELESS - you are also complaing about 'its not free' - but reading your post again they only want $9,99 for the new software.

Not $99, not $999 like you sound in your posting.

I understand your point....you once spent $$$ on the cards. Ok...but where is the border ? ASSUMING Tseng would have some great capture program out which users of new Tseng cards can d/l fr free - would make me wodner to be able to d/l the same software just proving that i am still owner of a ca. 1985 Tseng ET400 cards somewhere in my garbage bin ? And yes...i might very well have paid 100s of $$$ aeons ago for this card....