ATi Calls nVidia on Cheating @ COMDEX

[GTaudiophile]

Before our meeting concluded, ATI also mentioned NVIDIA's NV17M. In particular, NVIDIA's performance claims were questioned. During NVIDIA's NV17M press briefing, NVIDIA disclosed performance figures for the MOBILITY RADEON 7500 and their NV17M. According to their figures, NV17M ran around three times faster than MOBILITY RADEON 7500. If you look closely however, the MOBILITY RADEON 7500 was only running at 216MHz (instead of its full clock speed, 266MHz). In comparison, NV17M was running at a speed of 250MHz core clock/250MHz memory, the top speed of NV17M. ATI also reiterated that running both the core clock and memory at full speed was highly rare in a typical notebook environment and gave the NVIDIA part an unfair advantage in comparison to their product. The bottom line is we'll have to wait until the final products are available before reaching any final conclusions when it comes to performance.

FiringSquad @ COMDEX, Part 1

Edit: HardOCP catches Anand @ COMDEX.

 

[Beau]

Doh!!!

 

[Vegito]

maybe ati is doing the bait and switch like the 8500, advertise a higher clock but only run it a lot lower

 

[GTaudiophile]

<< maybe ati is doing the bait and switch like the 8500, advertise a higher clock but only run it a lot lower >>



Yep, ATi is always to blame! I love how they marched over to nVidia's booth and turned down the clock speed, saying, "we're going to make this our LE version just so you can beat us."

 

[Snoop]

OR, maybe Nvidia was trying to overclock the ATI card but the "latest driver revision has an issue that prevents it from correctly interpreting the the GPU clock slider setting"

jk

 

[j@cko]

As if that extra 34mhz is gonna make BIG difference when performance is THREE times faster ALREADY!

 

[CTho9305]

heheh... man, I'd love to get 3X the performance by OC'ing my GF2GTS 34 mhz... it is stable at 234 core, but no faster!

 

[Leon]

NV-17M is serious thread to ATI mobile dominance. While GF2Go was able to capture big chunk of the market in just a year, it had a few significant shortcoming (non-integrated packaging, running too hot, and no power saving tech).

NV-17M, on the other hand, was redesigned from scratch, and superior to 7500 Mobility in almost every way. Better packaging, Powermitzer, integrated DRAM, and much higher performance. Even on DVD front, Nvidia not only implemented full IDCT, they also included IQ.

But yes, Nvidia quoted numbers=BS. Realistically, Radeon 7500 Mobility should achieve 40-45fps @ 1024 768 32bit 2x FSAA.

 

[Rand]

Either way, are any of us going to believe benchmark number that come directly from nVidia?
Of course their going to show their own product in the best light!
Hell, I'm sure they could show the TNT2 to be outperforming the Radeon if they really wanted to.

I'm not about to put much faith in a companies benchamrks of their own products.

So far as I'm aware the Mobility 7500 isnt even shipping in any Laptops as yet anyway, and naturally neither is the NV17M.
Hell, few enough laptops even utilize the GF2Go or the original Mobility Radeon... the bulk of Laptops being sold are still using Rage pro/Rage 128 level chips.

 

[bluemax]

Something I'd like to throw out....
Imagine a Desktop CARD version of this product.

 

[MadRat]

NVidia video draws some serious current at full throttle. I cannot see them magically making this go away. ATI is not going to have to worry about the GF2Go since it'll suck the laptops dry too fast. Besides, why the hell do I want to play heavy games on my laptop!?! The damn keyboards cost too much to replace to be using it for something as nonessential as gaming!