ATI are morons!

[randym431]

Wow. Just try installing the ati HDTV wonder if you really want a night mare. Even Bill gates top techs would pull their hair out installing this. Ati tech? Telling you to 'try diff pci slots", "update your MB drivers", tons of bull to keep you busy for days. And in the end, still NO GO.
Everytime I install the hdtv wonder I get different issues and a real mess. Due to a new MB, viruses and other things I've re installed winxp 8 times in the last month, clean. All went so smooth until coming to the ati hdtv wonder.
Drivers install but the card doesnt like em. Cant use em. One fix, under windows update, I find a hardware update for ati hdtv wonder. If you install that, the wonder (haha) will install. Magic??? But you MUST do a clean xp install formatting the drive. Otherwise, the win update will not offer the hardware update for the ati hd wonder.
naturally, ati will still have you switching pci slots and tell you walking backwards while jumping three times in the air might solve it (when they run out of suggestions).

 

[nts]

:roll:
So you're a system admin? What exactly do you do?

I use both ATi and NVIDIA and I have never had a problem (with the installation), I also always clean the previous driver off both before reinstalling. Don't mind the extra mouse click.

As for .NET, meh, its a one time install. I already have it anyway with my dev tools...

 

[Uclagamer_99]

RTFM...if you did you would know how to properly install ATI drivers without a hitch

 

[sandorski]

You'll be happy once Nvidia starts using .Net.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Nvidia drivers let you install over your old drivers, and it'll just automatically delete the old ones.

Wrong. NV tells you to uninstall previous drivers. Sure you can install over the top of old drivers, same as you can for ATi drivers. Thats just asking for trouble down the road though.

 

[akugami]

So this is a complaint about ATI because the new CCC needs .NET which nVidia will be moving to soon as well? Now, I find it annoying to have to install .NET as well, but more and more apps are starting to use it (depends on what you do of course). But anyways, maybe if the OP holds his breath long enough nVidia will decide that they won't use it.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: videoclone
.net is a sin to mankind! everytime someone gets .net an angel loses its wings ... installing .net makes baby jesus cry and last but not least .. in newssr Ati .Net's you!

You do know .net is eventually going to replace the current aged APIs.

 

[emilyek]

I dont have ATI anymore, but CCC sucks.

CCC is useless bloat with some .net bloat thrown in for good measure.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: emilyek
I dont have ATI anymore, but CCC sucks.
CCC is useless bloat with some .net bloat thrown in for good measure.

Same here. I used to be an ATI fanboy, but I when I moved to PCIe I got a 7800GT. It is unlikely I'll ever go back.

I was EXTREMELY disappointed with the 5.13 drivers. There are only seperate download links for the display driver and CCC and WDM. NO links for just the control panel download. And the all-in-one pack does not include control panel either. Same with the 6.1.

Sorry ATI, you lost another one.


(Although I did really enjoy the Ruby demos for the X800 and X850. Was looking forward to playing the X1800 demos. Too bad ATI ticked me off one too many times.)

 

[Cooler]

I dont use CCC.

 

[emilyek]

9800pro was my first (and only) uber card-- I got it when it was new.

It died recently, and I replaced it with a 6800 until I can do better.

I'll go with whoever has the best product, and right now that's Nvidia, but I must admit that ATI image quality is superior to Nvidia-- from my experience anyway.

 

[n7]

ROFL @ this thread!

I don't like CCC, but i've had my share of nVidia driver issues too.

Both of their drivers suck IMO...

 

[mofo3k]

Wow, this thread really is stupid. Ati might not have the best drivers in the world, but it's not by any means difficult to figure out. If you don't like the bloat, then don't download the ccc version. If you still have issues then download the omega drivers from http://www.omegadrivers.net/

Problem? solved. If it really is a problem.

 

[Acanthus]

I do actually have some trouble with people trying to update ATi drivers and failing.

Its not frequent, but there are a lot of mistakes with people screwing it up.

 

[RobsTV]

You are combining average people with gaming people.

Average people don't care about control panels, and don't update drivers.
If they do update video drivers, they only do so after someone tells them they must, so they then are following someone elses direction. Proper directions equals flawless upgrade of drivers.

Gamers are used to downloading game patch after game patch, and tweaking to make games work. So an average gamer already knows he may need to jump through hoops to make his favorite game better. ATi or nvidia means nothing in that regard.

New drivers only matter to those that know how to install them, or to those that tell others they must install them, not the average person.

As to the newer drivers. You are better off NOT knowing how to do install them. An average person would most likely simply install them over the top of existing drivers, and it would be done perfectly by 99.99% of upgraders. It is when you uninstall old drivers first that you may run into problems installing newer ATi drivers, unless you know exactly what you are doing, and what else you may need to download.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: mofo3k
Wow, this thread really is stupid. Ati might not have the best drivers in the world, but it's not by any means difficult to figure out. If you don't like the bloat, then don't download the ccc version. If you still have issues then download the omega drivers from http://www.omegadrivers.net/

Problem? solved. If it really is a problem.

Joe sixpack doesnt know how to do any of the garbage you mentioned.

All he is saying is that there is a large amount of room for error on ATis drivers for "un-savy" users.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: mofo3k
Wow, this thread really is stupid. Ati might not have the best drivers in the world, but it's not by any means difficult to figure out. If you don't like the bloat, then don't download the ccc version. If you still have issues then download the omega drivers from http://www.omegadrivers.net/

Problem? solved. If it really is a problem.

Joe sixpack doesnt know how to do any of the garbage you mentioned.

All he is saying is that there is a large amount of room for error on ATis drivers for "un-savy" users.

Joes Sixpack doesn't NEED to update drivers [period] . . . his gaming son does, however.
:roll:

letsee . . . use the Cat UNinstaller . . . reboot . . . install new Cats . . . reboot . . .

damn that IS hard . . .

no WONDER nVidia is the "performance leader"
:thumbsdown:

 

[Genx87]

I enjoy when you follow their directions and then their driver sends cpu use to 100% and even makes it so you cant use your mouse.

I think it is amazing that in 06 we still have a company who cant write an easy to install driver and sometimes it still doesnt install right and causes major system issues.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: mofo3k
Wow, this thread really is stupid. Ati might not have the best drivers in the world, but it's not by any means difficult to figure out. If you don't like the bloat, then don't download the ccc version. If you still have issues then download the omega drivers from http://www.omegadrivers.net/

Problem? solved. If it really is a problem.

Joe sixpack doesnt know how to do any of the garbage you mentioned.

All he is saying is that there is a large amount of room for error on ATis drivers for "un-savy" users.

Joes Sixpack doesn't NEED to update drivers [period] . . . his gaming son does, however.
:roll:

letsee . . . use the Cat UNinstaller . . . reboot . . . install new Cats . . . reboot . . .

damn that IS hard . . .

no WONDER nVidia is the "performance leader"
:thumbsdown:

I have to agree with this. Back when I wasnt gaming, i went 4 years without a driver install. joe sixpack dosent know wtf a driver is and why they need one, much less install it.

gamers/enthusaists are the only ones that will use these drivers and they should know how to install drivers decently. those idiots that cant figure out how ot install programs from windows update and drivers, wont be donig so.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Nvidia drivers let you install over your old drivers, and it'll just automatically delete the old ones.

Wrong. NV tells you to uninstall previous drivers. Sure you can install over the top of old drivers, same as you can for ATi drivers. Thats just asking for trouble down the road though.

Not with Nvidia drivers. I've been doing it for a years on my PCs

Originally posted by: sandorski
You'll be happy once Nvidia starts using .Net.

He will, he'll see .Net drivers done right.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: mofo3k
Wow, this thread really is stupid. Ati might not have the best drivers in the world, but it's not by any means difficult to figure out. If you don't like the bloat, then don't download the ccc version. If you still have issues then download the omega drivers from http://www.omegadrivers.net/

Problem? solved. If it really is a problem.

Joe sixpack doesnt know how to do any of the garbage you mentioned.

All he is saying is that there is a large amount of room for error on ATis drivers for "un-savy" users.

Joes Sixpack doesn't NEED to update drivers [period] . . . his gaming son does, however.
:roll:

letsee . . . use the Cat UNinstaller . . . reboot . . . install new Cats . . . reboot . . .

damn that IS hard . . .

no WONDER nVidia is the "performance leader"
:thumbsdown:

You are correct in that joe sixpack doesnt usually update his drivers, but what about when he installs the latest game and it says "fvck off, install newer drivers"? (BF2 does this, as well as other titles)

I said nothing about performance, both companies are comparable, the installation process on ATi drivers is complex for users that know how to update hardware/drivers. (believe it or not, MOST GAMERS ARE NOT HARDWARE ENTHUSIASTS).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: mofo3k
Wow, this thread really is stupid. Ati might not have the best drivers in the world, but it's not by any means difficult to figure out. If you don't like the bloat, then don't download the ccc version. If you still have issues then download the omega drivers from http://www.omegadrivers.net/

Problem? solved. If it really is a problem.

Joe sixpack doesnt know how to do any of the garbage you mentioned.

All he is saying is that there is a large amount of room for error on ATis drivers for "un-savy" users.

Joes Sixpack doesn't NEED to update drivers [period] . . . his gaming son does, however.
:roll:

letsee . . . use the Cat UNinstaller . . . reboot . . . install new Cats . . . reboot . . .

damn that IS hard . . .

no WONDER nVidia is the "performance leader"
:thumbsdown:

You are correct in that joe sixpack doesnt usually update his drivers, but what about when he installs the latest game and it says "fvck off, install newer drivers"? (BF2 does this, as well as other titles)

I said nothing about performance, both companies are comparable, the installation process on ATi drivers is complex for users that know how to update hardware/drivers. (believe it or not, MOST GAMERS ARE NOT HARDWARE ENTHUSIASTS).

nVidia's 1 step vs. ati's 2

that IS complex

:roll:


those people will never notice the difference
[and if they can't really can't figure a simple driver installation to play it, they can ask their kids . . . or call ATI's or the game's tech support]

You usually can install Cats right over top of the existing Cats . . . usually

 

[1Dark1Sharigan1]

I used to install Cats on top of one another . . . until it started causing BSODs . . . now I always use cat installer and then driver cleaner in safe mode.

I admit nvidia drivers install faster but the difference is minimal and unless you can't spare an extra two or three minutes for a reboot, what's the problem?

I've never had problems with nvidia drivers in terms of installing one on top of an older one but nowadays I uninstall and use driver cleaner anyway . . .

Anyway that actually needs to update to newer drivers now and then should be more than capable enough to click "Next" and "Ok" a couple more times than usual . . .

The thread title is also kinda misleading . . .

 

[TGS]

Cliffs:

-Videoclone hates .Net requirements to use ATI CCC

(Though it's included in the notes, OMG it says my W2K box needs SP4 woe is me more prerequisites)

-For those that do not want to use CCC, can still just download the driver for you card.

/Fin

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
This thread is going places...