ATI are morons!

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: VIAN
I don't see how you can't easily install them. Maybe you suck.

:thumbsup:

Best I can say is that having to install .NET is mildly annoying. If you can't manage this (which involves clicking "Yes" a few times), I'm not sure you're cut out to be upgrading your own PC.

Having to use Driver Cleaner to actually get rid of NVIDIA's drivers when I swapped from an NVIDIA to ATI videocard was... let's just say it was more annoying than running an installer. I seriously hope NVIDIA has fixed their driver uninstall capability since then, since it used to flat-out not work at times.

Incidentally, .NET 2.0 is supposed to be better than .NET 1.1 (supposedly makes CCC not take ages to start up the first time you load it, and has less impact on system startup time). I'll give it a shot the next time I upgrade my drivers.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rampage

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Nvidia drivers let you install over your old drivers, and it'll just automatically delete the old ones.

Wrong. NV tells you to uninstall previous drivers. Sure you can install over the top of old drivers, same as you can for ATi drivers. Thats just asking for trouble down the road though.

Not with Nvidia drivers. I've been doing it for a years on my PCs

Not what? Yes NV does tell you to uninstall previous drivers. I said that you can install over old drivers, just as you can with ATi drivers. You're confused.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/driver_installation_hints.html

 

[Wellsoul2]

I agree CCC is a pain.

Even installed right CCC tends to crash/lock on my comp.

New drivers with ATItools is a much better setup.

It's a preference thing with me..I just like ATI IQ better.

CCC seems like a dopey showy gimmick I'll agree.
Gee whiz..freeze..crash..just to see crappy video car drive down a road.
And it's not like it's easy to use or switch settings with it..it's terrible.

 

[Munky]

Joe Schmoe can install just the driver without CCC (but he probably wont know what it means and install it anyways). Sux to be him...

But I havent used CCC, and I wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole. I dont want .NET either, so I'll keep using ATT instead as long as I can.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: sandorski
You'll be happy once Nvidia starts using .Net.

No I won't. Regardless, the ATI CCC still says failed to initialize on occasion (with .NET installed), and it's not .NET's fault in that case. .NET does add to the bloating though.

 

[Compellor]

I've never had a problem with CCC installing or running. I've always done the ATI uninstall process, delete my monitor inf file, then reboot into safe mode, then run Driver Cleaner. Then I check the registry for any ATI stuff and delete it. I also make sure the ATI folder is deleted before rebooting. Then it's just as simple as installing the new drivers, CCC, WDM, and finally my monitor inf file. After that I run Registry Mechanic and sometimes will do a defrag with Diskeeper. Never any weird CCC errors or crashes. NEVER.

Is this hard to do? Not really once you do it. Should you have to do this? Probably not, but I'd rather take the extra time and do it this way then deal with annoying problems later on. I don't update drivers every month, so it's not that big of a deal anyway.

 

[Wreckage]

Ok a little off topic but, since we are talking about the "average Joe" installing drivers.

I can't stand how windows update often times wants to install drivers that are a year old or more.

Most companies go through the WHQL process yet for some reason Windows Updates are about as up-to-date as the Titanic's safety features.

 

[Auric]

The CP has not been updated in many moons and the last release was with 5.12 and even then it was squirreled away on their site. If not previously, it is now certainly considered discontinued. There are ways to continue using the CP but as more driver functions (such as AdaptiveAA) are added for which it lacks controls, there is diminishing reason to. CCC is a fat turd. That said, the average schmuck does not need access to driver options and casual gamers can make due with in-game options. Those keen enough to deal with advanced options can simply install drivers and a third-party proggy like the excellent ATI Tray Tools. That is not to say ATI is excused for making a simple option menu into something bloaty, slow and complicated.

 

[Megatomic]

I used to be an ATI guy and back then I b#tched and moaned about CCC. It sucked then and it still sucks now. Fvcking brilliant move ATI, way to twist the arms of your customers. :roll:

 

[flexy]

i am w/ ATI since the 8500 days.....now i own a X850XT, but i refuse with all i can to install CCC. ANd i have a pretty beefed up PC. I just hate bloat.

People say CCC got better - but in ESSENCE the CP / CCC is only a interface to set various registry values and settings and i refuse to see sense that i need Net 2.0 and bloated software to do this.

I use ATT anyway and/or old CP...people say its not a problem to use the old CP with the new drivers....but i disagree.

I've seen a few times that new drivers come with new options and registry values to set (example: various AA modi etc.)....and the old CP hasnt been updated in AGES...doesnt even support new features.

Therefore - if you use the old CP you "risk" missing out on many new features.....and i only can hope that Ray (coder of ATT) keeps ATT up-to date so it will always support the latest driver features/registry entries.

 

[imported_Noob]

You would think people by now would knwo to install 1.1 FrameWork. It helps to read a bit.

 

[Powermoloch]

huh? it's easy to install, i'm an average person :l

 

[Germonicus]

Maybe I've been unlucky but I've found that when I install .NetFramework it enables the autoboot of MSN Messenger (hate it!),and more annoyingly it sets a "select user acct" icon at reset/boot.....I certainly don't want that! I'm the only user on my PC,I want to wake up,hit the PC powerswitch and go put the kettle on,scratch my bollocks and go take a leak knowing my PC will be sitting ready for me when I get back.
Ok,I know how to get rid of that problem but why the hell should I have to? Even more to the point is why put the above mentioned Joe Sixpack through this?It's pretty certain he won't know how to fix this problem.

Don't get me wrong I love ATI but hell they could make life easier for us which "should" make life easier (and more profitable) for themselves.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Germonicus
Maybe I've been unlucky but I've found that when I install .NetFramework it enables the autoboot of MSN Messenger (hate it!),and more annoyingly it sets a "select user acct" icon at reset/boot.....I certainly don't want that! I'm the only user on my PC,I want to wake up,hit the PC powerswitch and go put the kettle on,scratch my bollocks and go take a leak knowing my PC will be sitting ready for me when I get back.
Ok,I know how to get rid of that problem but why the hell should I have to? Even more to the point is why put the above mentioned Joe Sixpack through this?It's pretty certain he won't know how to fix this problem.

Don't get me wrong I love ATI but hell they could make life easier for us which "should" make life easier (and more profitable) for themselves.

http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-103

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