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ATI announces new AMD motherboard chipsets!!!



<< The new RADEON IGP family includes two 'Northbridge' integrated graphics processors: the RADEON? IGP 320 (supporting AMD Athlon? and AMD Duron? processors) for the mainstream and value desktop PC market, and the RADEON? IGP 320M (supporting mobile AMD Athlon? 4 and mobile AMD Duron? processors) for the mainstream and value notebook PC market. >>

 
Makes you wonder, ATI has trouble making drivers for their video cards, which is their specialty. Now they are going to make chipset drivers?
IMO, ATI needs to concentrate on changing the perceptions about their driver department by releasing consistant, and on time products and drivers, instead of further extending themselves and jumping into a whole other market. Further, it would be nice, for competitions sake, that they release a video card that is on par with the latest incarnation of geforce's. Im sick of paying 300+ for the new nvidia products, which ATI facilitates since they seem to always be a product cycle behind nvidia.
 
The new ATI chipsets look great. I wish it had support for DDR333, but that doesnt provide much benefit for the Athlon anyways. The notebook chipset looks especially promising. WOW the chipset market is starting to get very crowded!!!!!!!!!!
 


<< Makes you wonder, ATI has trouble making drivers for their video cards, which is their specialty. Now they are going to make chipset drivers? IMO, ATI needs to concentrate on changing the perceptions about their driver department by releasing consistant, and on time products and drivers, instead of jumping into a whole other industry. Further, it would be nice, for competitions sake, that they release a video card that is on par with the latest incarnation of geforce's. Im sick of paying 300+ for the new nvidia products, which ATI facilitates since they seem to always be a product cycle behind nvidia. >>


Actually from what I've seen, ATI mobile integrated graphics processors have had better drivers than the nVidia ones. The same cannot be said for ATI's desktop graphics processors but fortunately for me I've not had a problem so far, since I don't usually upgrade until the important driver bugs are worked out.
 
pay - you dumb.

their products are surely failing...

as for trouble writing drivers...most of their radeon driver development has been pretty damn good (barring the quake fiasco)....they've learned...
and i mean, it was ONLY in respect to the 3d-side of their development...the rest was top notch....look at their AIW series...writing drivers for those cards is surely no easy task.
 
ati's 3d drivers were only bad in relation to nvidia's unified driver architecture. now that ati is doing the same thing, you should see parts perform much better on launch.

and if you're paying $300 for a gaming video card you should send some money to me. $140 for radeon 8500s, $90 for ti200s... maybe you should check hotdeals more often.
 


<< ati should just give up, im tired of watching all this hype for their failing products >>



Failing products? Exactly what failed ATI product are you referring to?
 
I guess I am in the minority, I don't see anything interesting. We get a nice Radeon VE for integrated graphics....woopie.
 
Despite how excellent nVidia may be, ATi has only gotten better and hasn't lost all of its share of the PC, laptop, pro, and Mac markets. They are on schedule to compete product-for-product with nVidia in the desktop, PC, pro, and laptop markets. Their AIW solution is still unparalleled. With the IMAGEON line, they have entered a new segment that nVidia has not. With their latest chipset solutions, they'll offer products for both Intel and AMD; their chipset solutions are also less complex, allowing ATi to sell them at a lower cost and at a higher volume than nVidia's nForce. ATi's drivers are improving with each and every release. ATi has GC, nVidia has X-Box.

How is ATi failing again?
 
I guess I am in the minority, I don't see anything interesting. We get a nice Radeon VE for integrated graphics....woopie.

Yup, agreed that it's pretty underwhelming for anybody wanting to play 3D games or do anything Open GL related.

Enthousiats and gamers apart, I think they absolutly had to put out somthing like this. IMO, at least 90% of systems sold with on board graphics will never see a dedicated vid card installed.

NVidia is there with the NForce (and who knows, perhaps the successor is so good it actually takes of), Intel is coming with 45G. They can't just look at this trend and see what happens -- the days of the 8514/Mach 8 are loooong gone.
 
Later in 2003 the integrated video will be 8500 based. What I think is intersting is that hey hi both desktop and Laptop as well as AMD & Intel 🙂 More choice, more competition ........... better for the consumer 🙂

Cheers,
Aquaman

 


<< Despite how excellent nVidia may be, ATi has only gotten better and hasn't lost all of its share of the PC, laptop, pro, and Mac markets. They are on schedule to compete product-for-product with nVidia in the desktop, PC, pro, and laptop markets. Their AIW solution is still unparalleled. With the IMAGEON line, they have entered a new segment that nVidia has not. With their latest chipset solutions, they'll offer products for both Intel and AMD; their chipset solutions are also less complex, allowing ATi to sell them at a lower cost and at a higher volume than nVidia's nForce. ATi's drivers are improving with each and every release. ATi has GC, nVidia has X-Box.

How is ATi failing again? >>

ATi by no means is failing. Each of your points above prove that.

However, the most prominant thing that really alludes ATi is their time to market. In the video market, ATi is a good 6 months behind nVidia. In the chipset market ATi is a good 8 months hehind nVidia, and that's if ATi can release their K7 chipset on time in May of this year (which is their plan at least).

A couple more points. nVidia's profitability has been nothing short of amazing. They were the highest performing S&P 500 stock last year, despite THE WORST semiconductor downturn in recent history. ATi didn't enjoy anywear near that much profitability.

nVidia also has the fastest desktop GPU (Ti4600) and Socket A chipset (nForce 415-D, VIA's KT333 too though) compared to the best ATi can offer (and in general of course).

In addition, you've got to admit that nVidia has a lot of industry support. Leadtek, VisionTek, Gainward, MSI, etc. are nVidia's manufacturing partners for their video chipsets, whereas the best ATi has is Gigabyte and Hercules (and a bunch of no-names companies too). This is also true of the motherboard chipset market, where nForce is currently supported by OEMs like Compaq, MicronPC, Fijitsu-Siemens, Falcon Northwest, Atlas Micro, and Alienware (linkness). ASUS, MSI, and Abit are nVidia's motherboard partners for nForce, whereas FIC (and possibly Gigabyte) are ATi's only real motherboard support for A3 (ATi's K7 chipset).

I must admit that nVidia's price/performance could be better, however nVidia wouldn't be making as much money now would they. 😉
 


<< I guess I am in the minority, I don't see anything interesting. We get a nice Radeon VE for integrated graphics....woopie. >>


To you or me, a Radeon VE is a craptacular video card, but think of how many people bought 1.X GHz processors with TNT2 M64s... OEM's are the target market, I imagine. I bet it will be cheaper than nForce boards.

-Ice
 


<< ATI is a company with the R&D budget way bigger than nVidia's, in fact, it's the largest in that business. >>


This is a misconception, Nvidia ($7,749,200,000) is roughly 2.5X the size of ATI ($3,058,800,000) when it comes to Market Cap, which is a -rough- measure for current company worth. Since Nvidia is 'worth' around 2.5X the amount as ATI, I would venture to guess their R+D expenses are greater.
 
ATI is a company with the R&D budget way bigger than nVidia's...

Absolutely incorrect. nVidia not only grosses more money per year but also makes much more profit than ATi.

Look here for nVidia's financial numbers.

Look here for ATi's financial numbers.
 


<< ATI is a company with the R&D budget way bigger than nVidia's, in fact, it's the largest in that business. >>



You, my friend, are living in 1998, when ATI controlled 75% of OEM market with their ..eh..Rage cards.

Situation changed quite drastically for last few years...

While we at it, here is some hard data from last earnings release:

Nvidia ATI

Revenues $499,938 $250,038
Net income (loss) $72,963 $(10,319)
R&D expenses $43,875 $40,070

Leon
 
As much as this looks like good competition for consumers, I shudder at the thought of having my entire platform dependent on ATi's drivers being bug free. Everything rests on the motherboard and the slightest glitch can cause a disaster.
 
/me teases a lock of blonde hair and blows bubble gum bubbles

I use a radeon AIW and I never had a problem with drivers or games. I can play everything just fine.
 
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