I hope you're right. It'll suck if there's only one player in the high end GPU race. From what I've read I get the same impression as you but I'm wondering is if they'll continue to make high end GPUs after say 2 years.
I hope you're right. It'll suck if there's only one player in the high end GPU race. From what I've read I get the same impression as you but I'm wondering is if they'll continue to make high end GPUs after say 2 years.
will Intel be in trouble if they don't have crossfire/SLI supported in all future intel chipsets?
Why the hell do you lot think ATI won't continue to release GPUs. Trust me, not much will change. We will still get badass radeons.
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I have some thoughts but i dont want to hijack this guys thread.
However, for all of you saying the Nvidia is merely going to be bought by Intel; you are sorely mistaken. Nvidia is MUCH larger than ATI is. Not saying Intel couldn't afford it (They may be able to) but Nvidia will come at a MUCH MUCH higher price than ATI.
-Kevin
However, for all of you saying the Nvidia is merely going to be bought by Intel; you are sorely mistaken. Nvidia is MUCH larger than ATI is. Not saying Intel couldn't afford it (They may be able to) but Nvidia will come at a MUCH MUCH higher price than ATI.
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So you think AMD bought ATI just to have a place to visit in Canada?
AMD bought ATI to have it's engineers and technology integrated into AMD products. They also had to take out a $2.5 billion loan. Parts of ATI (that AMD does not want) will be sold to cover that loan. I don't see how ATI people are going to work on both ATI and AMD products.
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Why would Intel even try to buy Nvidia? They can do more then Nvidia, have the money/engineers/fabs to make just as good GPU's. I think you are all mistaken.
It will be a fight between Nvidia - Amd - Intel Intel will grab S3 and then nvidia will not have any mobile market, very little device usage and will stick to high end GPU's until they croak.
GTaudiophile
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If ATI gets fvcked by AMD, you nVidiots have lost everything too. Think about where we've gone since the Radeon 9700 PRO? Monopolies suck!
Hes right, if ATI goes, We'll have the situation we have in the sound card industry. All hail the Nvidia Labs Video Blaster.
Tech advancement will stand still since there is no incentive and instead we'll jsut get pushed out "new" cards on the sam old chipset for close to a decade before we get a new chip(like how Soundblaster Live and all the way up to the Audigy2 used the same chip. Hell some drivers for different cards were interchangeable in the Creative sound card line.
Be prepared to be stuck with the equalivinent of todays performance and tech if ATI goes the way of the dodo and no other companies step up to the plate.
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After reading some interviews from ATi/AMD personnel I'm beginning to feel a bit less reticent about this deal with a more optimistic outlook; ATi discrete high end GPUs will continue to be produced for at least 2-3 years at 3rd party fabs until AMD builds up enough net capacity to build the high end GPUs in their own fabs. From the top down, ATi/AMD motherboard + CGPU solutions will cover the notebook market, desktop market server market and hand held market.
I think in the long term ATi will benefit immensely from this deal having AMDs resources, fabs and engineering talent at their disposal and vice versa. I think Intel will respond in the short term by getting closer with nVidia until they ramp up their own graphics unit some more and then kick nVidia to the curb. I'm still inclined to think that sooner or later Microsoft will gobble up nVidia to use as their design team for handhelds and consoles so in the end we will be left with Intel vs AMD for the entire PC platform. If MS doesn't purchase nVidia, then nVidia will be forced to produce their own CPU in order to compete and I don't see that happening --maybe they can make a really low end CPU for handheld devices and such but nothing on the level AMD/Intel can make. Regardless, there will always be a market for high end discrete solutions so nVidia will always have a market for itself though I bet it's chipset business will suffer if Intel steps up in the GPU arena.
So despite the brave facade nVidia executives are putting on, I think deep down they must be very worried because now they're left out in the cold in the long term unless someone purchases them or they miraculously produce their own CPU's and fabs which seems unlikely. This was a very brazen move by both ATi and AMD and I think it will ultimately pay off with AMD/ATi becoming a much stronger and diverse entity.
I think in the long term ATi will benefit immensely from this deal having AMDs resources, fabs and engineering talent at their disposal and vice versa. I think Intel will respond in the short term by getting closer with nVidia until they ramp up their own graphics unit some more and then kick nVidia to the curb. I'm still inclined to think that sooner or later Microsoft will gobble up nVidia to use as their design team for handhelds and consoles so in the end we will be left with Intel vs AMD for the entire PC platform. If MS doesn't purchase nVidia, then nVidia will be forced to produce their own CPU in order to compete and I don't see that happening --maybe they can make a really low end CPU for handheld devices and such but nothing on the level AMD/Intel can make. Regardless, there will always be a market for high end discrete solutions so nVidia will always have a market for itself though I bet it's chipset business will suffer if Intel steps up in the GPU arena.
So despite the brave facade nVidia executives are putting on, I think deep down they must be very worried because now they're left out in the cold in the long term unless someone purchases them or they miraculously produce their own CPU's and fabs which seems unlikely. This was a very brazen move by both ATi and AMD and I think it will ultimately pay off with AMD/ATi becoming a much stronger and diverse entity.
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Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Thats the way I see it (without the S3 part)
Sad day
S3 was gobbled up by VIA like 6 years ago. They already make CPU's, chipsets and graphics. I don't think Intel gains anything by buying VIA so I doubt that happens. The leaders can't focus on Highend only... it doesn't support a buisness... just look at 3dfx.
Much larger?
ATi Market Capital is 5.05 Billion
nVidia Market Capital is 7.67 Billion
Intel Market Capitcal is 105.29 Billion
AMD Market Capital is 8.97 Billion
It would be much easier for Intel to acquire nVidia than for AMD To have acquired ATi financially.
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Intel could buy NVIDIA and AMD+ATI at lunch today if they wanted to. Intel would never need to buy NVIDIA as they could just enter into a technology agreement with NVIDIA and get what they need. Just like Sony did.
So far NVIDIA looks to benefit from this deal, however it will be next year or later before we even start to see changes in the field.
5150Joker
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Wow talk about a huge disparity. I'm surprised investors haven't been throwing money hats at AMD the past few years since they've been kicking Intel's ass. You'd think investors would've wanted to see AMD's fab capacity expand as quickly as possible. What's IBM's market capital and how many fabs do they got?
5150Joker
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IBM is roughly 120 Billion, just a tinge bigger than Intel. No idea on how many fabs, and AMD, which is doing decent, still does not have great profit margins.
5150Joker
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I wonder why IBM isn't jumping into the desktop/notebook market? Seems they have the technology to do it. I wonder if Cell could be used on a PC with a modified copy of Windows?
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