ATI 4890 vs Nvidia GTX285

dguy6789 · Jul 19, 2009

Agreed. At current prices, there is no one in their right mind who would buy a GTX 275.

Anandtech

"The 4890 tends to look better at lower resolutions while the GTX 275 is more competitive at high resolutions. At 1680 x 1050 and 1920 x 1200 the 4890 is nearly undefeated. At 2560 x 1600, it seems to be pretty much a wash between the two cards. "

Considering this along with the fact that the 4890 can be found for nearly one half the price of the GTX 275, it's pretty obvious.

TC91 · Jul 19, 2009

Cykoth,
I would hang on to the 8800 GTS 512, its no slouch especially if you can push the clocks a bit. The 9800GTX/GTX+ are not a great deal faster than the 8800 GTS 512, and they have roughly the same performance as the 4850 so your 8800 GTS 512 isn't far away at all.

If you do end up grabbing a new card, I think the GTX 285 and 275 are superior cards but not good value in comparison to the 4890 at this time. If you do decide on grabbing a 4890, I would strongly recommend a non-reference model, probably one of the sapphire ones if you care about noise and cooling at all. The reference cooler can get EXTREMELY LOUD and obnoxious (I had a reference design 4870 1GB, it uses a similar cooler as the 4890 and produces less heat and I just plain couldn't stand the card's noisy fan when gaming, even with headphones on and the volume turned up). I ended up selling the card and replacing it with a GTX 285

. The referemce 4870 1GB also gave me motherboard temps of 64-70c (P5Q) while compared to only 40c with my GTX 285. Just my take.

Wreckage · Jul 19, 2009

Well you can pick up a GTX260 for nearly half the price of a HD4890 and it performs pretty close. You also get the bonus of more features. Like PhysX, CUDA, OpenCL, etc.

HD4890 - $259!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814102831

yh125d · Jul 19, 2009

Yeah, you're right. You can get the very cheapest GTX260 on newegg for (after rebate) only a little more than half the cost of the very most expensive HD4890on newegg. Don't you think that's a little unfair?

And no it doesn't really perform pretty close really. 4890 is on par with GTX285 at stock speeds. With an ATI card you do lose some features like the ones you mentioned, but you also gain some like DX10.1, OpenGL 3.0, etc......

Two can play your dirty game wreckage. You may try to parade a link to the most expensive 4890 you could find to try and persuade some to nvidia's side of things, but everyone who's anyone knows the real street price for a 4890 is ~$190, sometimes a lot less

nismotigerwvu · Jul 19, 2009

You = fail

$169.99 if you want to play with a rebate

$194.99 with a lifetime warranty if you don't

MegaWorks · Jul 19, 2009

Man you're so evasive, Just give it up!

thilanliyan · Jul 19, 2009

happy medium · Jul 20, 2009

When I say newer cards I mean the next generation in 2 months which will be at least 50% faster then a 4890. Then how much performance will he lose?

This is why I said get p45 board with pci-e 16x 2.0 and be able to take his q9650 to 4+ ghz and a new next card generation in 2/3months.
A q9650 @ 4.0+ should be every bit as good as a core i7.
A q9650 @ 4.0+ with a new Nvidea gt300/Ati 5870 card should be good for 2 years at least.

Whats cheaper a new core i7 system (500$+) with 2 4890's (375$) and direct x 10 or A 9650 @ a free 4.0+ and a single 350/400$ gt300/5870 and direct x 11?

I'd wait.

kmmatney · Jul 20, 2009

What a tool.

The GTX260 isn't a bad card, but Wreckage is so biased, it's ridiculous. It's also really not close to an HD4890 in performance.

I have the MSI HD4890 that was linked to above for $169 after rebate - it's a very fast card, but can get a little noisy. I wasn't really that happy with it until I downloaded ATI Tray tools, and created a few custom profiles. One profile keeps the card underclocked in 2D windows - the card is now silent in 2D, which is great, as the rest of my PC is silent as well. I also had to change the fan profiles in 3D, to keep the noise down a bit. I'm happy with the card now, but it took a bit of work to get to that point.

If you are concerned with noise, then a non-reference HD4890, or a GTX275 is worth a look - this GTX275 one comes with a free game:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814187073

The trouble with waiting for the next generation of cards is the yield problems they are having with the 40nm chips - this might delay things for some time.

Keysplayr · Jul 20, 2009

At this point, I'm going to have to say that Wreckage might actually be an ATI fan. Becuase far more harm gets done for Nvidia than any good posting stuff like this. ::shrugs::

He knows, and the rest of us knows, he chose one of the most expensive 4890s to link to. He knows, and the rest of us knows, a GTX260 is quite a bit slower. It's all consciously done. I just don't understand why. I guess at this point, he might be thinking that there is no point in steering now.

Cheapest 4890 on newegg is an MSI for 170 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814127427

And no less than 17 other models less than the price Wreckage linked to.
Wreckage, can you please at least try to keep it real? I'm not attacking you by any means, but dude, you definitely can't be serious with these kinds of posts. There's just no way.

Axon · Jul 20, 2009

Seriously. It's quite common to see a 4890 at sub-$200 prices. I'm sure the GTX260 is a fine card, but it benches under the 4890. If you have a MoBo that only takes SLI, its not a bad investment in any way.

But there's no doubt in my mind that the 4890 is one of the best price/performance cards currently out there.

Puffnstuff · Jul 20, 2009

I went with a hd 4890 to replace my 8800gts 512 sli setup because of the price to performance ratio. I use both nvidia and ati so I am not a fanboy for either company. It was my judgement that the 4890 offered the best bang for the buck so I went with it. Regardless of which card you get I'm sure that you'll be pleased with the performance of it. None of these mid to high range cards are slouches so it comes down to personal preference and price.

crazylegs · Jul 20, 2009

HAHAHAHA!

Thanks for the chuckle, was having a pretty boring day at work until now

Can't wait to read the next time Wreckage posts complaining about other ppl flaming / trolling his posts.

Well done Keys for telling it like it is

SlowSpyder · Jul 20, 2009

And the 4850 is MUCH cheaper than the GTX260 and on occasion can be even faster than the much pricier GTX260! That and you get features like DX10.1 7.1 audo, etc.

For the record I don't believe that the 4850 and GTX260 are compititors. But I felt like posting like Wreckage to see how it feels. The 4890 and GTX260 occupy different segments, just like the 4850 and GTX260.

zod96 · Jul 20, 2009

I've used and owed both cards. And to be honest I thought they were pretty much the same performance wise. I game at 1680x1050 mind you, so it might be gpu or cpu limited at that res. But both cards are great. So it should come down to the overall package, warranty bundle customer support etc.....I think the 4890 has slightly better bang for you buck though. Its only about $200 compared to $350 for the GTX285. If you game at 1680x1050 or lower get the 4890 if you game higher than that get the GTX285

AmberClad · Jul 20, 2009

Wreckage - You have a month off for trolling and posting misleading info -- yet again. Comparing the most expensive 4890 to the least expensive GTX260, and trying to pass it off as a valid comparison? That's a new one, even for you.

You've about used up about all of your lifelines at this point, if you catch my drift.

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iCyborg · Jul 20, 2009

My take on Wreckage's post was that he was responding to the guy before him who claimed 4890 is ~1/2 price of gtx275 and gave a $250 example, even though he was quoting a post where Wreckage gave a link to a $205 one. I thought he was just trying to make a point that it wasn't fair by using the most expensive 4890 he could find... I'm not defending his general attitude which is clearly biased, but if that was the only reason he was banned for, then it seems rather harsh to me.

happy medium · Jul 20, 2009

yea I must agree here. If you vacation him you have to vacation the other guy too.

ArchAngel777 · Jul 20, 2009

This is not up for debate anyway. At least, a debate will not change the results. However, one just needs to look at Wreckage's past posts to conclude that whatever punishment he got this time is simply not enough.

happy medium · Jul 20, 2009

I seen some of his post and they are usually alot worse. Mabe this was just the last straw? Anyway......back to to my business your right.

AmberClad · Jul 20, 2009

There's a difference between an isolated instance of someone being ignorant / misinformed, and someone demonstrating a long history of trolling and attempting to mislead.

If you get into the habit of repeatedly causing disruption, don't be surprised if you find yourself being more closely scrutinized than the average member as a result.

AmberClad
Video Moderator

happy medium · Jul 20, 2009

Good point Amber.... Thats one hell of a system you have there by the way. What size monitor?

soccerballtux · Jul 20, 2009

So I frequent the Hot Deals forum pretty regularly. I just went and looked and there appears to be a decent 260 deal. It looks like the prices on newegg have come down from when I last had checked (back when all the 260's were over $200). I hadn't seen anything near a $125 GTX260 back when I posted; and so I exaggerated to make a point that the 4890 (10%+ better performing than GTX260) was excessively cheaper than the slower, more expensive GTX260. Just affirming I did not have malicious intent.

Keysplayr · Jul 20, 2009

Very sorry for this quick Off Topic comment, but I'll make it brief and I'll say no more about it.

Just some quick advice when Wreckage returns. Leave him alone. Don't follow him into every thread he creates (and he will) JUST to bust his chops. If you see something inaccurate or misleading in his info, prove it wrong, the "right" way. Don't sling bias remarks and green glasses garbage. He is what he is and really really likes one company and really really dislikes another. More so than most. That's his right. By the same token, if he reports REAL news, discuss THAT, not the fact that it was Wreckage who posted it. That would be wrong. If he's full of it, it should be virtually effortless to prove it WITHOUT the personal attacks and without the aggression. If Wreckage steps over the line, as you can see the moderators are doing their part.

Again, apologies for the OT. Please get on with the topic discussion and give this issue no more energy.

/peace

Keys

evolucion8 · Jul 20, 2009

Sorry for this, but AFAIK posting here isn't a right, is a privilege that can be removed if the TOS are not followed, he broke those so many times. Because if he's full of love for one company and full of hate for another doesn't mean that we just have to accept him and let him do whatever he please to mislead people with less knowledge, spreading FUD and blurring the lines of the truth to make appear that his opinion were true when they aren't. But definitively you are right with the personal attacks as I did the same to him (And he to me) months ago.

Back to topic: I think that having the HD 4890 at such low price and being so similar in performance with the GTX 275 (And sometimes the GTX 285, something that the GTX 275 can do less often) is a very nice hard to ressist offer.

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