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Athlon xp 2500 mobile

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You gotta be kidding us right??😛

I reckon it would take a Cel Willa at 5GHz to beat a XPM @2.5GHz 😉


Inccidently folks is there any issue with XPMs ,200 FSB & certain multipliers?

A work college has an XPM 2500 with an A7N8X rev2 ,DDR400 RAM.
He finds the cpu needs more vcore with a x10 multi than a x11 (both 200FSB) ,which doesn't make any sense
 
Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Inccidently folks is there any issue with XPMs ,200 FSB & certain multipliers?

A work college has an XPM 2500 with an A7N8X rev2 ,DDR400 RAM.
He finds the cpu needs more vcore with a x10 multi than a x11 (both 200FSB) ,which doesn't make any sense
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That doesn't make any sense to me either. As for curiosities, though, my mobile XP2500+ would do (almost) 2.5Ghz on air with my Corsair TwinX-3200LL on an A7N8X rev2 ... but not at 200FSB (regardless of the multiplier). It was rock-solid stable at 12.5x198 FSB (i.e. 2.48GHz), but would crash almost immediately at 200 FSB or above, regardless of vcore or dimm voltages.

Could be the memory's fault... interestingly, the same sticks also won't do above DDR400 stable on my Asus K8N/A64 2800+ (o/c to 2.3Ghz). Again rock-solid up DDR400 (6-2-3-2, 1T), but unstable or won't post beyond that, even with relaxed timings (i.e. 8-3-3-2.5 or 10-4-4-3, 2T).
 
I'm not quite sure why someone would choose a A7N8X board over a NF7-S.

There are numerous forum threads bashing this board series - everything from memory incompatability issues to random BSOD's (probably caused by the ram issue). A simple google search will tell you that the A7N is a really picky board.

The ABit is flawless, albiet a little dated now but still performs flawlessly with anything you throw at it. I can't even count the amount of machines that I've built with this board - and none have come back.

There really is no comparison.
 
Originally posted by: Barkingmad
I'm not quite sure why someone would choose a A7N8X board over a NF7-S.

There are numerous forum threads bashing this board series - everything from memory incompatability issues to random BSOD's (probably caused by the ram issue). A simple google search will tell you that the A7N is a really picky board.

There really is no comparison.
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Umm, I wasn't recommending the A7N8X (I bought mine as soon as the rev2 boards came out, long ago).

I've heard the NF7-S is an excellent board, but I never experienced any problems with the A7N8X except for the FSB 200 issue (i.e. no reboots, BSOD, etc., rock solid stable for >1 year). I also wouldn't be so quick to condemn the A7N8X on the basis of "numerous threads" bashing it - that may simply have to do with how many more A7N8X boards were sold over NF7-S.

A case in point: a "simple" google search reveals ~1,350,000 hits for "A7N8X" versus only ~293,000 with "NF7-S" or "NF7S" (i.e. >4.5x as many asus boards cited). Interestingly, a search with the word "problem" added shows ~163,000 for A7N8X and ~104,000 for NF7S. So, should we conclude that only 12% of A7N8X boards had a problem relative to 35% of NF7-S boards? I don't think so ...

A better google search looking at google groups (so, forums everywhere!), gets ~14,300 problems associated with ~95,600 A7N8X postings (15.0%) versus ~5,120 problems associated with ~36,300 NF7-S/NF7S postings (14.1%). Is that a significant difference? Besides, there's still >2.5X of the asus posts over abit.

So, in one sense, I have to agree - there really is no comparison!




 
Wow..holy stats! 🙂

Fair enough.

I/We (the consulting agency I work for) hold long standing DND government contracts in Ontario, CA. We don't play on any side of the fence in particular towards brand name, we simply either provide what we feel is best in any given circumstance or provide exactly what the customer desires.

Over the last year we have moved away from ASUS towards ABit boards when generic AMD XP systems are concerned for stability reasons. Not one NF7 series board has even been returned under fault as opposed to the average three a month for the A7N series. Business being a motivator, we moved to ABit.

Pentium systems are another story. The P4P and P4C series are impeccable platforms and we use them all the time as they are rock solid. In the last year only one has been returned for RMA.

Recently one particular client is trialing Opteron based systems, and the platform chosen was a TYAN S2885 - excellent board. Based on their trials it sounds like they will be running with it for their GIS based workstations.

POINT BEING.

Perhaps I should have stated where I was coming from in the first place instead of referring to a "google search".

I'm simply just giving an opinion based on what I'm experiencing in the field now.
 
not a problem, but u should never attempt to say something like that about arguably the most popular board for the scoket a series without something to back it up.

I have a Barton 2500xp that wouldnt go past 188 on an asus a7n8x rev2, then i switched out my ram and put in 2x512 Rosewills, and bam 3200xp 1.65v. I just built a mobile xp system for someone though...
 
Originally posted by: Barkingmad
I'm not quite sure why someone would choose a A7N8X board over a NF7-S.

There are numerous forum threads bashing this board series - everything from memory incompatability issues to random BSOD's (probably caused by the ram issue). A simple google search will tell you that the A7N is a really picky board.

The ABit is flawless, albiet a little dated now but still performs flawlessly with anything you throw at it. I can't even count the amount of machines that I've built with this board - and none have come back.

There really is no comparison.
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Personally speaking because I didn't know better at the time when I bought this mbrd about 3yrs ago😛
That said I still thinks its a reasonably good mbrd ........aside from the onboard sound problem!:frown:
And its perculiar issues with multipliers ,talking of which.........


I've discovered that the A7N8X rev 2 has problems with certain multipliers at 200FSB ,mainly 10 & 10.5 but others can be effected too.It is definitley a bios issue as the old 1004 bios can sometimes fix it & its been fixed by modded bioses from Trat
 
Interesting, I was wondering a bios update wouldn't get rid of the problems 😛

My computer has crashed recently, @ 200x10.5, 1.75v, ram at SPD 🙁

I don't know what to do 🙁
oh my comp specs are athlon xp 2500, getil 512 dual channel pc 3200
 
Originally posted by: bde
When my ram is at 200fsb, it crashes warcraft 3. No matter what my multiplier is.
I've tried some ram latencies, but I?m not sure which is good. If you can suggest a couple I'd appreciate it.
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you must have an Asus motherboard, right? if you do, the problem is the motherboard not the ram. your stuck at 190-195 if you want it to run stable with Geil ram.

 
Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
Originally posted by: bde
When my ram is at 200fsb, it crashes warcraft 3. No matter what my multiplier is.
I've tried some ram latencies, but I?m not sure which is good. If you can suggest a couple I'd appreciate it.
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you must have an Asus motherboard, right? if you do, the problem is the motherboard not the ram. your stuck at 190-195 if you want it to run stable with Geil ram.
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No he has an Abit NF7-S v.2
 
Originally posted by: selfbuilt
Umm, I wasn't recommending the A7N8X (I bought mine as soon as the rev2 boards came out, long ago).

I've heard the NF7-S is an excellent board, but I never experienced any problems with the A7N8X except for the FSB 200 issue (i.e. no reboots, BSOD, etc., rock solid stable for >1 year). I also wouldn't be so quick to condemn the A7N8X on the basis of "numerous threads" bashing it - that may simply have to do with how many more A7N8X boards were sold over NF7-S.

A case in point: a "simple" google search reveals ~1,350,000 hits for "A7N8X" versus only ~293,000 with "NF7-S" or "NF7S" (i.e. >4.5x as many asus boards cited). Interestingly, a search with the word "problem" added shows ~163,000 for A7N8X and ~104,000 for NF7S. So, should we conclude that only 12% of A7N8X boards had a problem relative to 35% of NF7-S boards? I don't think so ...

A better google search looking at google groups (so, forums everywhere!), gets ~14,300 problems associated with ~95,600 A7N8X postings (15.0%) versus ~5,120 problems associated with ~36,300 NF7-S/NF7S postings (14.1%). Is that a significant difference? Besides, there's still >2.5X of the asus posts over abit.

So, in one sense, I have to agree - there really is no comparison!
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I've experienced three A7N8X's, all of them have been absolute trash, memory problems, FSB problem, PCI latency problems with horrible static on sound cards, messed up TV tuner cards with a bad picture due to the latency(i beleive), inability to boot when my printer was hooked up, etc etc. My friend also had one, all kinds of other issues with graphics, instability, etc etc.

The board is a piece of trash.
 
Originally posted by: bde
Interesting, I was wondering a bios update wouldn't get rid of the problems 😛

My computer has crashed recently, @ 200x10.5, 1.75v, ram at SPD 🙁

I don't know what to do 🙁
oh my comp specs are athlon xp 2500, getil 512 dual channel pc 3200
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your not using a mobile, so the multiplier is locked? your CPU simply isn't stable at those clock speeds. lower it.
 
no it is unlocked, and it's not suppose to be like that
I got a SLK 800 and a volcano fan for cooling and the cpu is not mobile either, but still it gotta be able to work at 11x200 with like 1.75, 1.775 or 1.8
which it doesn't so I'm guessing it could be my ram, therefore I just tried 9x200 just to see if the ram fails or not 😱
 
I also have a 2500 that cannot do 200x11. It will run at 9x230 but no matter what I do it will not run above 2100Mhz.
 
okay, ummm earlier, megaworks came over to my house and he brought his as3 compound, so we used it. The first time we boot the computer it was doing long beeps, we both knew long beeps are bad, but we didn't know what it was. Oh my god the panic attacks that I got (j/k) but I was freaking out

On the other hand I had a match that I had to play online in about 30 minutes (I play counter-strike competitively its 5 vs 5)

A friend of mine "killboy" who posts here time to time, and I also play CS with him, gave me a call and told me that I probably had a bit of that compound on the other parts of the cpu which created short circuit, however we made sure that, that never happened but it did.

so I took out the heatsink again, (not to mention the struggle with that). took out the cpu and cleaned both the cpu and the heatsink with some "nail polish remover" (LOL I don't know if that's wrong or right) but when we put it back together it worked.

resaults:
cpu temp dropped by 7 or 8 degrees
now I'm running my barton 2500 at 200x11 (2200mhz)
voltage: 1.775
ram: spd

ran prime95 for 30 minutes and the program crashed, Just as I was typing out this post.
Now I?m gonna raise the voltage to 1.80 😱


By the way thanks a lot megaworks and killboy
 
yea way better, Now that I've put it at 1.80, prime95 has been running for 6 hours (last time I checked)
I hope it doesn't stop 🙁 by the time I get home.
 
If it does just lower the FSB a little ,1.8v is already a little on the high side.

So I guess your old HS compound wasn't much good then?

AWhackWhiteBoy
Ever managed to sort out the sound crackling problem?
Btw it sounds like you had particularly bad experiences with the A7N8X
 
Originally posted by: bde
yea way better, Now that I've put it at 1.80, prime95 has been running for 6 hours (last time I checked)
I hope it doesn't stop 🙁 by the time I get home.
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6 hrs nice! 😎
 
congrads bde. as5 should give you a few more degrees. it shoudl only run you a few bucks too. something you might want to think about. read some of the reviews. they should compare as3/5, see how much it will get you. but at least you have an idea of what was wrong.
 
well I didn`t really care about the kind of compound I used, but what really bugged me was "if I installed the heat sink properly or not"
prime95 stopped after 8 hours on (200x11) what should I put the fsb now? 199? 198?
 
follow the methodology in zebo's a64 oc thread... first see how high the memory can go then push up the chip... u can either drop the bus speed a bit or loosen up the memory timings...
 
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