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Athlon 64 X2 OC @ 3.0Ghz

"your score went up by 44MArks (9003 => 9047) when you overclocked from 4351MHz to 4817MHz??
Is this the new dual-core scaling or what?? "

I love this comment!!! That is pathetic scaling and may be the signs he is likely no where near stable as well as being extremely bottlenecked. Perhaps the signs of diminishing returns setting in....

We are really looking at 2 cores of 4.8ghz versus 2 cores of 3.1ghz...1.7ghz to win buy a small margin, and synhetic no doubt...Lets see Fugger run some real world apps and he would have to hit well into 5ghz to compete, I am sure of it....
 
The 3.1 dualcore AMD will beat a 4.8 Intel. It takes 4ghrtz to beat the stock 4800+ in most scenarios. Add 700 mghrtz/800mghrtz each at that point and due to the more efficient architecture clock for clock the overclock will greatly favor AMD. I would imagine a 3100 actual mghrtz AMD dualcore would be beaten by 5200 or so Intel. Of course, bus speeds, video cards, hard-drives would all play a part as well.
 
Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Originally posted by: Aenslead
We really enjoy making fun out of Netburst marchitecture, don't we?


Yep, Nasty, Endlessly, Timed, Busted, Urenal, Sloppy, Terminal



Forgot thr "R" unless you want to make URinal...
 
Nah, It's always sucked hard. It's been carried by the absolutely absurd amount of effort put into just making it passable. And the insane amount of optimizations that have been made for P4's in the past years. Just think what Intel could have done if they had never bothered with netburst.
 
Originally posted by: Lithan
Nah, It's always sucked hard. Just think what Intel could have done if they had never bothered with netburst.

Thier were aims for 20 Ghz and if Intel had stick to thier 2003 roadmap we would of been seeing 10.25 Ghz from Nehalem, not to mention the blazes that would of followed.

Presler/Cedamil are still based on netburst. AMD will own for a good while yet.And before we hear "Wait for pentium M to come to desktop hahahaha" do you really think AMD wont have a tweaked K9 out by then or even the K10 ?

If they do have an K9 killer and its priced better I will jump ship, but the chances of both them occuring is slim to none. Until then...
 
Intel is far more concerned in marketing than in arquitecture. Even if AMD64 is far superior to any netburst solution, 79% of the computers shiped from big-bad OEMs are still Intel.

AMD is a brand for us, who know. After all... the mayority on the forum users has an AMD Rig as their main system.

It will require a heavy shift on the mentality of AMD towards marketing.
 
Originally posted by: Lithan
Nah, It's always sucked hard. It's been carried by the absolutely absurd amount of effort put into just making it passable. And the insane amount of optimizations that have been made for P4's in the past years. Just think what Intel could have done if they had never bothered with netburst.

Great read on intels proc:

Perhaps the most common gripe about the Pentium 4's microarchitecture, called Netburst by Intel, was that its staggeringly-long pipeline was a gimmick ? a poor design choice made for reasons of marketing and not performance and scalability. Intel knew that the public naively equated higher MHz numbers with higher performance, or so the argument went, so they designed the P4 to run at stratospheric clock speeds and in the process made design tradeoffs that would prove detrimental to real-world performance.

I was one of the original dissenters from this school of thought, and in my P4 vs. the G4e series I tried to make a plausible technical case for why the P4's designers had made some of the design decisions that they did. I ultimately managed to convince myself and not a few others that the P4's deeply pipelined design was, in fact, performance-driven and not marketing-driven.

That was then, and this is now. As it turns out, the P4 bashers were right. Revelations from former members of the P4's design team, as well as my own off-the-record conversations with Intel folks, all indicate that the P4's design was the result of a marketing-driven focus on clock speeds at the expense of actual performance and scalability.

It's my understanding that this fact is pretty widely known within Intel, even though it's not publicly acknowledged. Furthermore, the P4's focus on megahertz has made it especially vulnerable to the industry-wide problems that have accompanied the 90nm transition, with the result that the new P4 probably won't scale very well at all in terms of both clock speed and performance. But I'm not going to say any more about the 90nm P4 problems, because I've addressed those elsewhere.

We now know that that during the course of the P4's design, the design team was getting pressure from the marketing folks to turn out a chip that would give Intel a massive MHz lead over its rivals. The reasoning apparently went that MHz is a single number that the general public understands, and they know that, just like with everything in the world except for golf scores, higher numbers are somehow better.

In the present article, which is the conclusion of my architectural history of the Pentium line, we'll take a look at the P4's Netburst architecture and at the sacrifices that Intel made at the altar of MHz. We'll then look at the relatively new Pentium M, before finishing off with a look at Prescott. If you didn't catch the previous article, be sure to read it first.

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/pentium-2.ars
 
X2's will own every benchmark until Intel pays these companies to write AMD crippling code again.. Intel simply can not compete when they lost *ALL* these multi media and encoding benchmarks they used to reign supreme in with one swoop of X2.


Heres what I mean by bought companies who use multi-threading on Intel processors but do not use multi-threading on AMD processors. Here we see a perfect illustration of this selectiveness. While Pentium Extreme Edition 840 works much faster than the single core Pentium 4, Athlon 64 X2 4800+ appears as fast as the Athlon 64 4000+.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/pentium-840/finereader.png
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
X2's will own every benchmark until Intel pays these companies to write AMD crippling code again.. Intel simply can not compete when they lost *ALL* these multi media and encoding benchmarks they used to reign supreme in with one swoop of X2.


Heres what I mean by bought companies who use multi-threading on Intel processors but do not use multi-threading on AMD processors. Here we see a perfect illustration of this selectiveness. While Pentium Extreme Edition 840 works much faster than the single core Pentium 4, Athlon 64 X2 4800+ appears as fast as the Athlon 64 4000+.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/pentium-840/finereader.png

Ya that bench is bullsh!t..

 
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