Athlon 64 3000+ vs 3400+

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

the clawhammer which you were not talking about runs at 2.2 ghz or 11 x 200

It is what I was talking about, its what I have.

not you...

the original poster...

look at his post at 1:16 PM and you'll see what i mean...

he says...

"At least if I get the 3400+ I'll already be at 2.4GHz and can work from there...."

so he was referring to the newcastle and not the clawhammer

 

[Ariste]

Wait, so the 3400+ comes with up to 12x multi? I didn't even know that, I thought it was just 240 at 10x or something. Alright, well in that case it makes sense to spend the extra and get the 3400+ since I can up the FSB farther and keep the multi at 12x. Hopefully I can get to 2.7GHz... that would be a great OC for an air cooled system I think.

 

[imported_ceejay]

if you're going to get the 3400+ might as well get the 3500+ which is the 939 socket

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: Ariste
Wait, so the 3400+ comes with up to 12x multi? I didn't even know that, I thought it was just 240 at 10x or something. Alright, well in that case it makes sense to spend the extra and get the 3400+ since I can up the FSB farther and keep the multi at 12x. Hopefully I can get to 2.7GHz... that would be a great OC for an air cooled system I think.

here's teh deal with the 3400+

there are two:

the newcastle which has 512 kb L2 cache and runs at 2.4 ghz 12 x 200

the clawhammer has 1024 kb L2 cache and runs at 2.2 ghz 11 x 200

not sure if 2.7 on air will be possible...

most people with 3400+ hit around 2.9 to 3.0 ghz with phase change so i think 2.6 would be about the max for air.... but i could be completely wrong

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ceejay
if you're going to get the 3400+ might as well get the 3500+ which is the 939 socket

Yep.

 

[Ariste]

Originally posted by: ceejay
if you're going to get the 3400+ might as well get the 3500+ which is the 939 socket

Not when I can get the 3400+ for $288... socket 939 is too expensive to justify the small performance boost. When I want to upgrade later on, I'll want to upgrade my mobo to something with DDR2 and PCI-E, anyway, so the upgradability isn't a factor either.

here's teh deal with the 3400+

there are two:

the newcastle which has 512 kb L2 cache and runs at 2.4 ghz 12 x 200

the clawhammer has 1024 kb L2 cache and runs at 2.2 ghz 11 x 200

not sure if 2.7 on air will be possible...

most people with 3400+ hit around 2.9 to 3.0 ghz with phase change so i think 2.6 would be about the max for air.... but i could be completely wrong

Hmm.. well seeing as you have your 3000+ at 2.75, wouldn't it be safe to assume that I could get my 3400+ to 2.7? Then again, if you have phase-change or some other exotic cooling like that, maybe i'm wrong, but even if you have water cooling I think that if you can get 750MHz out of a water cooled 3000+ then I can probably get 300MHz on air.

Oh and I'll be going with the Newcastle core, btw, because I can get it for $288 at MonarchComputer.com. So I'll be starting at 2.4GHz. It's also a CG revision, so that should help.

Anyway, I don't think it will really matter if I get 2.6GHz or 2.7GHz... either way I'll be really happy with the CPU 🙂

 

[Zebo]

I asked this over at the Overclocker's Forums and the answer I got was that the 3400+ would overclock farther than the 3000+.

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those guys are experts maybe you should listen to them if ultimate OC is your goal. I would try even the 2800 because I feel the value point is there...course I got the 3200 because of more cache.

 

[Ariste]

Lol I just posted this over there... didn't know you asked. Oh well, I guess I already know the answer I'll get 🙂

 

[Zebo]

That's how I quote sometimes... Its you who asked🙂

 

[NeonFlak]

I have an a64 3000+. It's an older one, haven't checked the revision but I bought it awhile ago. On my vnf3-250 it does 2.4ghz at 1.6v with the stock retail heatsink. I have an alpha 8150 that should be coming this week.

 

[Lyfer]

Get the A64 3000. Its dirt cheap at $163 OEM.🙂 Plus it skools the P4 3.2EE/3.4 prescott at doom 3 and you can save the extra $$$$ on a Geforce 6800 GT.


Thats what I did.😀

 

[Bloodsent]

I don't mean to bring up old topics, but I am trying to make this decision myself now. Do I spend the extra $120 bucks and get a 3400+, or risk getting a 3000+ and hope it can clock as high or higher than the 3400+? Both are Newcastle cores with CG stepping. Now, I will be attempting to overclock on the new DFI Nforce3 250gb board coming out later this week, along with some Crucial Ballistix 3200 ram. I would be using air cooling, something like a Zalman 7000alcu.

Anyone have any advice on how well the 3400+ overclock compared to the 3000+ and if it is worth it?

 

[charloscarlies]

Hmm.. well seeing as you have your 3000+ at 2.75, wouldn't it be safe to assume that I could get my 3400+ to 2.7? Then again, if you have phase-change or some other exotic cooling like that, maybe i'm wrong, but even if you have water cooling I think that if you can get 750MHz out of a water cooled 3000+ then I can probably get 300MHz on air.

I believe Shim's using phase-change...but correct me if I'm wrong. 😉

 

[Mavrick007]

Why not go for the 3200+ NC chip? It splits the amount and is just over $200 US. Plus you get a decent larger multiplyer than the 3000, it costs less than the 3400+ and it's 2.2Ghz out of the box.

Oh, btw, I found where you can get a 939pin 3500+ for around $375 US if anyone's interested. I would, but I think I'll do a couple of small jumps from AXP to A64 754pin to whatever is the good choice when PCI-Ex and DDR2 comes mainstream for A64's.

 

[Jhatfie]

I'd personally just get the 3000+ and save the money since almost all CG newcastles are decent overclockers and typically reach at least 2.5ghz with a cooperative motherboard, ram, power supply and cooling. Of course you are gauranteed at least 2.4ghz with the 3400+, but the outright limits of both chips should be very similar with 2.6ghz being a decent possibility. You might luck out and get to 2.7ghz with the 3400+ or maybe even the 3000+. My 3200+ does 2.4ghz prime stable at 1.5v (3400+ speed and default vcore), but needs another .2v just to run 2.55ghz stable. My goal is 2.6ghz, but I will need even more voltage to have a shot at that.