Athlon 2100 or 2200?

[lumen]

The Athlon 2100+ (which I believe is a palomino?) which is rated at 1.73ghz and the Athlon 2200+ (which is a T-bred?) is rated at 1.8ghz are seperated by as much as US$50, anyone have any idea why? From what I can see, neither is particularly good for overclocking... so what's the differance aside from 0.07 of speed?

I'm putting a system together and either would fit into my budget, but why pay the extra unless there is something I'm missing about the 2200?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[BigJ]

get a 1700+ or 1800+ Tbred and overclock

I don't really see a justification in price difference, 2100+ seems to be the sweet spot for a good bang for the buck for non-overclockers.

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

difference?
xp2100+= palomino
xp2200+=thoroughbred

does that warrant the price diff?
imho, no

i would get xp1700+ tbred and overclock it to ~xp2200+ levels

if you are not overclockig, i would get xp2100+ as its probably best bang for buck (or lower if you want)

 

[Jeff7181]

XP2100 does not necessarily = Palomino... but a 2200 will definately be a Thoroughbred. Buy a XP1700 Thoroughbred from newegg.com... last I checked they were $57... that's what I use. If I had some decent RAM I'd be running at about 1733 Mhz... 166 FSB x 10.5 multiplier. My cheap $40 Best Buy RAM doesn't like being run at 333 Mhz.

 

[lumen]

Is it really cost effective to OC? I mean I'd save by buying a slower processor, but I'd end up spending that on fans/cooling would I not?

Besides, this is my first DIY, so sufficive to say I've got no idea how to OC.

Anyone know a good beginner's guide to OC'ing?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: lumen
Is it really cost effective to OC? I mean I'd save by buying a slower processor, but I'd end up spending that on fans/cooling would I not?

Besides, this is my first DIY, so sufficive to say I've got no idea how to OC.

Anyone know a good beginner's guide to OC'ing?

Not if you get a nice budget heatsink. Look at any newer ones in the Volcano line, or the SVC GC68, etc.

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

Originally posted by: lumen
Is it really cost effective to OC? I mean I'd save by buying a slower processor, but I'd end up spending that on fans/cooling would I not?

Besides, this is my first DIY, so sufficive to say I've got no idea how to OC.

Anyone know a good beginner's guide to OC'ing?

im working on one, it should be done in a few days or so

do this:
xp1800+ $67@newegg (or xp1700+ $57@newegg.com) **make sure its thoroughbred**
what motherboard do you have?
Thermaltake VOLCANO 7+. (With Fan Speed H.M.L RPM Setting Cable) Variable Fan Speed Control. $29

i know that costs almost where an xp2100+ would cost, however an xp1700+ @2100+ speeds with a faster fsb will be faster overall than the original xp2100+

see ifyou can justify the gain....i konw i would

 

[Jeff7181]

If all you want is the FSB to be 166, just set the XP2100 to a 166 bus and set the multiplier to 10.5

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
If all you want is the FSB to be 166, just set the XP2100 to a 166 bus and set the multiplier to 10.5

its not as simple at times

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
If all you want is the FSB to be 166, just set the XP2100 to a 166 bus and set the multiplier to 10.5

its not as simple at times

Chances are it is. I've seen almost everybody with a KT333 board or a Nforce2 board that can unlock the multipliers via BIOS.

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

Originally posted by: pillage2001

Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
If all you want is the FSB to be 166, just set the XP2100 to a 166 bus and set the multiplier to 10.5

its not as simple at times

Chances are it is. I've seen almost everybody with a KT333 board or a Nforce2 board that can unlock the multipliers via BIOS.

the asus nforce2 does not i think with the bios revision they have now
the beta bios does which was sent to the reviewers, but its not available to the public yet

...thats just what ive heard, i dont have one to test it out myself so take it with a grain of salt

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop

Originally posted by: pillage2001

Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
If all you want is the FSB to be 166, just set the XP2100 to a 166 bus and set the multiplier to 10.5

its not as simple at times

Chances are it is. I've seen almost everybody with a KT333 board or a Nforce2 board that can unlock the multipliers via BIOS.

the asus nforce2 does not i think with the bios revision they have now
the beta bios does which was sent to the reviewers, but its not available to the public yet

...thats just what ive heard, i dont have one to test it out myself so take it with a grain of salt

my Kt133 board unlocks the Tbred. My A7V266E doesn't.

 

[Jeff7181]

No board unlocks the multiplier... they are already unlocked up to 12.5... there's no extra unlocking to be done. Unless you want multipliers above 12.5, or unless you have a Palomino that's locked from the factory.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
No board unlocks the multiplier... they are already unlocked up to 12.5... there's no extra unlocking to be done. Unless you want multipliers above 12.5, or unless you have a Palomino that's locked from the factory.

Care to explain why I can't change the multiplier on my A7V266E then??? I'm pretty sure it's a BIOS thing but I can't seem to find any BIOS revision that unlocks it.

 

[Nimbus1951]

You could also do as I:

Order a palo 2000+ and get a TBred 2000+

I have no idea why they gave me a TBred instead but I know that the TBred 2000+ originally costs about 38.5$ more

Regards,
Nimbus

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: pillage2001

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
No board unlocks the multiplier... they are already unlocked up to 12.5... there's no extra unlocking to be done. Unless you want multipliers above 12.5, or unless you have a Palomino that's locked from the factory.

Care to explain why I can't change the multiplier on my A7V266E then??? I'm pretty sure it's a BIOS thing but I can't seem to find any BIOS revision that unlocks it.

I can't explain it... I had my T-Bred XP1700 on a Shuttle AK31 motherboard to verify that it worked before it put it on my KT400 chipset board... multipliers 8-12.5 were available, and they did actually change the clock speed. Not like what it did with my palomino... set it at 12.5 and the BIOS says it's at 12.5, but is actually still at it's stock setting.