Athlon 1.4GHz and Duron 950Mhz Released

BFG10K

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That Duron just keeps getting better and better. You essentially pay pocket change for a very decent CPU.
 

compuwiz1

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Uh, $122 for a 950 Duron is more than New Egg is selling the 1GHz Tbird for. :Q

The 900 will do 950, and is much cheaper.

Also, the 1.4GHz Tbird, as well as the Duron 950 will come down.(they always do)
 

NFS4

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<< Uh, $122 for a 950 Duron is more than New Egg is selling the 1GHz Tbird for. :Q

The 900 will do 950, and is much cheaper.

Also, the 1.4GHz Tbird, as well as the Duron 950 will come down.(they always do)
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Well it's not gonna sell initially for $122. PriceWatch already shows $112
 

Rectalfier

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Let's see some reviews!

Anand can you throw those babies into the Dual Tyan Mobo, and overclock them to the max? ;)

Don't forget about your hard-core readers! :)
 

FreeFrag

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I agree with Compuwiz1, just get a Duron900 and run it at 950. I have mine at 1044, wonder if the 950 will get any further.
 

Techno

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Maybe i missed it but why the hell if Tech-Report was able to overclock the 1.4Ghz to 1.53Ghz didn't he run some bench's w/ it overclocked :|
 

Kitros

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the funny thing is that the price will drop below 253 b4 the darned things sell
 

LukFilm

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From the article on 1.4GHz T-Bird:



<< This new stepping is AYJHA, which doesn't exactly roll off the tongue like AXIA, but it does sound like a sneeze, which counts for something. >>



LOL :D
 

LukFilm

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From the other link:



<< One wonders if the Athlon isn't hitting some kind of limit?memory bandwidth, front-side bus bandwidth, or perhaps the AGP 4X implementation?that's holding it back >>



He is running Quake III at 640x480 and he is thinking 4xAGP could be holding Athlon back. DUH!!!
 

compuwiz1

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Actually, the 900's have potential, so I wonder how the 950's will do? I got 4 today and all of them are over 1100MHz. :)
 

Linux23

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when is the Palomino coming out? i'm trying to wait before I build my new dual processor system. Intel or AMD, whoever comes out first?
 

WildeBeast

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Wait, if a 1GHZ can be OCed to 1.4 or 1.5 in most cases, would 1.4GHZ be able to to say, 1.8? Last time I chacked, it didn't work that way. Most importantly, are the 1GHZ and 1.4GHZ equal in overclocking? The basic question is this: What is the actual difference between different CPU speeds, when they are both .18?
 

Remnant2

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Wildebeast, here's how it works, roughly.

In any given batch of chips that the fabs turn out, there is a &quot;process center&quot; is the average speed being produced. However, some will run faster than others, while some will run slower, *at the specified conditions*. that means within the thermal tolerances, normal voltage, etc.

The ones that run the fastest while still in spec are sold at 1.4ghz for example. The average ones are 1.2ghz, and the slow ones are 1ghz.

Overclocking has 2 aces up its sleeve though.

1) Often times the CPU maker marks a fast chip as a slow one, if its running out of the slower versions. This is why Duron 600s can go to 1ghz -- if AMD marked their true rated speed, they'd more likely be Duron 900s.

2) If we can CHANGE the conditions the CPU works under, we can increase the speed. That means make sure it stays cooler than the normal limit, and also increase the voltage. This is how most TBirds are getting to 1.4ghz+.


with all that in mind, you can see that a 1ghz Athlon might actually be a faster chip that's been marked down.. so when you up the voltage and slap on a good cooler, it overclocks a large amount.

if you buy a 1.3ghz Athlon, you know you're already getting the upper end of the process variation, so all you do is up the voltage and cool the chip better. This gets you some gain, but not as much as before.

Generally a rule of thumb is that you often can reach the higher speed CPU by OCing a lower speed one, but that same low speed CPU would not be able to overclock as far (in terms of mhz total) as one that was already marked as one of the fastest, would.


err, didn't mean to write an essay about it. :)
 

KDOG

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This couldn't have come at a better time for me, yesterday I found that I chipped the corner off on the die of my Duron750. I'm suprised its still running....I may get the 200FSB 1.4 or just jump on that Duron 950 and OC it.
 

WildeBeast

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That was really helpful remnant. My only other question is what is it about the chips themselves that makes a 1.4 different from a 1GHZ (assuming that the 1 isn't a 1.4 clocked down)?
 

Remnant2

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Wingnutz or PM would be able to answer you best there. From my understanding, the difference in speed is just due to the random variances in manufacturing.

All of the different steps involved in making a chip (and I won't pretend to be able to tell you all of the different steps involved in fabbing a CPU) can have slight differences in how much/how long/etc. some of those variations will make a chip faster, others will make it slower, some may completely ruin a CPU, and the fab doesn't have direct control over all of that. Over time, by observing and adjusting those things, they can move the process center upwards in mhz -- which is one of the ways that a given CPU design can be released at faster speeds.


This is what they mean when they refer to a chipmaker's &quot;yields&quot; -- the % chips that come out at least at the minimal speed rating from a given batch.