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Athiests.. How do you explain the beginning of time?

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The time dimension was curled up with everything else at the beginning. Time didn't begin to "flow" until a split second after the big bang..so to speak of anything happening before that moment is meaningless. Nothing could possibly create or cause the universe to happen, because to speak of a "cause" is to speak of a sequential process..a TEMPORAL process...in other words, time is required for any decision to be made or for any effect to result from a cause. The fact that time didn't exist until after the BB proves that a God "deciding" to create the universe then acting on his decision is utterly impossible. The only honest answer anyone can give you to the ultimate origins is that we don't have all the answers..but a process of sequential creation without a time dimension for the sequence to occur is impossible.
 
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astroidea said:
It's just as not logical to say God made it all, as you'd run into the issue of who created him.
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And that's a valid question. Is "god" simply god of this universe and one among many gods controlling other universes, or is God an omnipotent being that created everything?

If there is no God and all of this happened by chance, then what's the point of being? Biologically, it's to reproduce, but consciously, why are we aware? Why do we have emotions, etc? Seems pointless if this is all chance, or some kind of godless alignment of information.

I'm being open minded here and that's why I asked the question in the OP. I'm trying to reason with myself.
 
Assuming an infinitely expansive universe, with an infinite amount of inhabitants, some of which have infinite intelligence, it makes more sense that we're just in something's imagination :awe:
 
totalnoob said:
The time dimension was curled up with everything else at the beginning. Time didn't begin to "flow" until a split second after the big bang..so to speak of anything happening before that moment is meaningless. Nothing could possibly create or cause the universe to happen, because these things are sequential processes..temporal processes...which require time to occur. This proves a God "deciding" to create the universe is utterly impossible. The only honest answer anyone can give you is that we don't have all the answers..but a sequential process of creation without a time dimension for the sequence to occur is impossible.
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Unless it was created from an eternal space where time does not exist?
 
TechBoyJK said:
If there is no God and all of this happened by chance, then what's the point of being? Biologically, it's to reproduce, but consciously, why are we aware? Why do we have emotions, etc? Seems pointless if this is all chance, or some kind of godless alignment of information.
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We're in the matrix, man.
 
TechBoyJK said:
And that's a valid question. Is "god" simply god of this universe and one among many gods controlling other universes, or is God an omnipotent being that created everything?

If there is no God and all of this happened by chance, then what's the point of being? Biologically, it's to reproduce, but consciously, why are we aware? Why do we have emotions, etc? Seems pointless if this is all chance, or some kind of godless alignment of information.

I'm being open minded here and that's why I asked the question in the OP. I'm trying to reason with myself.
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It is pointless if it is all chance. Following evolution after a big bang this is a valid conclusion.

There are reasoning points both ways if both sides are open minded, but this is rarely the case.
 
neckarb said:
This is exactly my point, time is a constant, so the question "When did time start?" is irrelevant.
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Not irrelevant. The idea that time is a constant simply directs the discussion to "if time is constant and can't be created, how can the big bang have been the start of the universe?"
 
TechBoyJK said:
And that's a valid question. Is "god" simply god of this universe and one among many gods controlling other universes, or is God an omnipotent being that created everything?

If there is no God and all of this happened by chance, then what's the point of being? Biologically, it's to reproduce, but consciously, why are we aware? Why do we have emotions, etc? Seems pointless if this is all chance, or some kind of godless alignment of information.

I'm being open minded here and that's why I asked the question in the OP. I'm trying to reason with myself.
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Think about it. It all ties into the need to self propogate.

Unless evidence pops out in favor of a specific theory We don't know is the superior answer. Any other answer takes a unjustified leap of logic. A God in any way shape or form just takes a larger leap of logic.

God should never be an option on the table of reason.
 
It's interesting how we can ask what created the thing that created such and such to no end as if any existence outside our own extends beyond infinity yet at the same time we have to believe there has to be a beginning.

For all we know, we could be a sentient being that exists within a larger sentient being that doesn't even realize we exist because we're too small to be detected by it. Kinda like something that's magnitudes of order smaller than an atom that exists within us who believes we are god because we created them just because we exist. To them they are living in a universe that seems to be expanding and realize that one day it will collapse... or maybe because I was born and I grew and one day I will die. I may be god to them and I may have created them by existing but I have no control over their fate yet the athiests of their world curse me because I don't do anything for them or reveal myself as their creator.

So maybe God does exist, but not the way we want him to exist(through the Bible). I choose to believe in Idontcarism
 
Life is like minecraft. It's has no point except what you give it.

Life is what you make it. Nothing more, nothing less.

The difference between religion and science is that science tries to grow and improve the species.
 
TechBoyJK said:
Not irrelevant. The idea that time is a constant simply directs the discussion to "if time is constant and can't be created, how can the big bang have been the start of the universe?"
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The big bang was only the start of matter, when we consider the beginning of the universe, Time is eternal.
 
TechBoyJK said:
I agree to a point. Information can't be created or destroyed, simply re-arranged, recompiled, etc. Where did this information come from? It's not logical to say it's just "always been".
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Then it would also not be logical to say your God or higher power has "always been". Who created your God then? See where this is going? Its an endless loop that uses no logical thought process.
 
tenshodo13 said:
Think about it. It all ties into the need to self propogate.

Unless evidence pops out in favor of a specific theory We don't know is the superior answer. Any other answer takes a unjustified leap of logic. A God in any way shape or form just takes a larger leap of logic.

God should never be an option on the table of reason.
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This is bad reasoning. Just because we know more about something doesn't make it any better / worse / only option.

I suppose no one should have considered the possibility of a car when we had bikes? Not knowing how something works doesn't make it not viable. I don't need to know how oxygen flows through my body to receive the effects.
 
soulcougher73 said:
Then it would also not be logical to say your God or higher power has "always been". Who created your God then? See where this is going? Its an endless loop that uses no logical thought process.
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Also a very good point, both time and matter are constants, they don't start they don't end, matter is not created, but changed from one state to another, If god exists then most religions would argue that god is a constant aswell...
 
neckarb said:
The big bang was only the start of matter, when we consider the beginning of the universe, Time is eternal.
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Not true - time is relativistic to matter and how it curves space. A pre-bang single point of existence will not have the same kind of time that we are experiencing now.
 
Tweak155 said:
Doesn't make it any more right.
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No, but it makes it far more likely, one less miracle needs to happen. It's far easier to come up with a rationale for it happening without needing to account for the origins of an invisible man who made it happen. That's the point I don't get about the jesusfreaks, science tries to simplify things to the most plausible explanation with the most evidence to support the theories and the wannabelievers try to account everything happening due to the explanation that's the least plausible and has absolutely no evidence to support it.
 
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