Atheists face death in 13 Muslim countries

[Orignal Earl]

You're an idiot to think something can come from nothing.

You're a dumbshit retarded idiot that thinks a youtube video makes him correct.

You and Incor are like 2 peas in a pod

 

[Fern]

Basically, 24-hours is just an interpretation, as far as I've read.

My point is that we can't say if those "days" were 24 hours, or 24 billion years, -snip-

Agreed.

A "day" is defined only by the observer's perspective. I like science and science fiction. When one is on Mars a 'day" is much different than one on Earth.

A day is based upon rotation, typically that of the planet where the observer is. (Unless we venture into some 'standard galactic day' etc.) A full rotation of a planet is based upon a fixed point of reference: the Sun.

But in this context I think the question should be what would a day be for God; from his perspective? I would suggest a full rotation of the universe. Assuming it does rotate (and we can't tell if only because we have no point of reference) I'd think his day was a mighty, mighty long period of time.

Fern

 

[ThinClient]

Agreed.

A "day" is defined only by the observer's perspective. I like science and science fiction. When one is on Mars a 'day" is much different than one on Earth.

A day is based upon rotation, typically that of the planet where the observer is. (Unless we venture into some 'standard galactic day' etc.) A full rotation of a planet is based upon a fixed point of reference: the Sun.

But in this context I think the question should be what would a day be for God; from his perspective? I would suggest a full rotation of the universe. Assuming it does rotate (and we can't tell if only because we have no point of reference) I'd think his day was a mighty, mighty long period of time.

Fern

This is wild speculation trying to fill in the holes that logical, rational, free-thinking individuals point out.

 

[Fern]

This is wild speculation trying to fill in the holes that logical, rational, free-thinking individuals point out.

I think no more or no less "wild speculation" than the claim that a day must mean the standard earth day.

Fern

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Only a dumbshit religiotard like you isn't willing to accept further evidence in an effort to re-evaluate the conclusion drawn from said evidence.

You are the poster child for bigotry.

From nothing, nothing comes.

Nothing is nothing.

Only an idiot would believe something can come from nothing.

An idiot like ThinClient, who is also trying to be a poster boy for atheist lack of morality.

 

[Retro Rob]

Agreed.

A "day" is defined only by the observer's perspective. I like science and science fiction. When one is on Mars a 'day" is much different than one on Earth.

A day is based upon rotation, typically that of the planet where the observer is. (Unless we venture into some 'standard galactic day' etc.) A full rotation of a planet is based upon a fixed point of reference: the Sun.

But in this context I think the question should be what would a day be for God; from his perspective? I would suggest a full rotation of the universe. Assuming it does rotate (and we can't tell if only because we have no point of reference) I'd think his day was a mighty, mighty long period of time.

Fern

Cannot agree more, Fern.

I think it's a mistake trying to use the Bible to date the Earth because the Bible makes positively no comments on how old our universe and earth is.

 

[Moonbeam]

Only a dumbshit religiotard like you isn't willing to accept further evidence in an effort to re-evaluate the conclusion drawn from said evidence.

You are the poster child for bigotry.

Did he call somebody a drug user on faith?

 

[ThinClient]

I think no more or no less "wild speculation" than the claim that a day must mean the standard earth day.

Fern

Well, that's what it says in the text. If you take the bible at face value, if you claim it's true, the default standpoint is that a day is a day. There's no reason to believe otherwise.

 

[ThinClient]

From nothing, nothing comes.

Nothing is nothing.

Only an idiot would believe something can come from nothing.

An idiot like ThinClient, who is also trying to be a poster boy for atheist lack of morality.

says the dipshit, the close-minded bigot, the blatant coward who won't even watch the video

 

[ThinClient]

Did he call somebody a drug user on faith?

He called me Satan on faith, repeatedly.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

says the dipshit who won't even watch the video

I am not an ignorant dumbass idiot like you. I already researched the subject on my own.

Why should I waste my time watching some video on Youtube? It's like asking me to watch a video about how to use AT forum.

 

[Exophase]

So for all of you people saying that a day was just some unknown quantity of time in the Genesis creation account - how do you reconcile this with the seventh day? Since Adam was created on the sixth day, and the Bible depicts in no uncertain terms that Adam was born thousands of years ago, that seventh day clearly couldn't have lasted awfully long.

 

[ThinClient]

I am not an ignorant dumbass idiot like you. I already researched the subject on my own.

Why should I waste my time watching some video on Youtube? It's like asking me to watch a video about how to use AT forum.

An open mind would value all evidence. Just like how I, an atheist, welcome evidence for the existence of god, so too should you welcome an argument that something can come from nothing, even if it is to view the video to piece together an argument to refute it.

You should watch the Youtube video because it's a video of some of the foremost authorities on the matter. Just because the URL starts with youtube.com doesn't mean it'll be a twerking video.

After all, the statement that there was "nothing" to begin with is a faith-based statment because there is no evidence whatsoever that there ever was nothing. It's a positive claim with zero evidence.

 

[Retro Rob]

Well, that's what it says in the text. If you take the bible at face value, if you claim it's true, the default standpoint is that a day is a day. There's no reason to believe otherwise.

Well, in my fathers day, Civil rights were granted to blacks. I must mean that the Civil Rights Movement lasted just 24-hours. A day is a day. There's no reason to believe otherwise. 🙄

I guess Christianity caused you to think, so that's why you left.

 

[ThinClient]

So for all of you people saying that a day was just some unknown quantity of time in the Genesis creation account - how do you reconcile this with the seventh day? Since Adam was created on the sixth day, and the Bible depicts in no uncertain terms that Adam was born thousands of years ago, that seventh day clearly couldn't have lasted awfully long.

You get out of here with your logic and reason!

 

[ThinClient]

Well, in my fathers day, Civil rights were granted to blacks. I must mean that the Civil Rights Movement lasted just 24-hours. A day is a day. There's no reason to believe otherwise. 🙄

I guess Christianity caused you to think, so that's why you left.

Nice strawman argument.

 

[Retro Rob]

So for all of you people saying that a day was just some unknown quantity of time in the Genesis creation account - how do you reconcile this with the seventh day? Since Adam was created on the sixth day, and the Bible depicts in no uncertain terms that Adam was born thousands of years ago, that seventh day clearly couldn't have lasted awfully long.

So what? Not awfully long from God's POV could still mean millions of years.

We don't know, nor are we claiming to know. We're just saying it could be any unspecified amount of time, but clearly, not a standard day, as Genesis 2:4 says God created all days in his creative "day".

Dude, leave just leave it alone.

Secondly, sure, the last day could be short, but that doesn't mean the previous six were.

Again, just move on.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

An open mind would value all evidence. Just like how I, an atheist, welcome evidence for the existence of god, so too should you welcome an argument that something can come from nothing, even if it is to view the video to piece together an argument to refute it.

After all, the statement that there was "nothing" to begin with is a faith-based statment because there is no evidence whatsoever that there ever was nothing. It's a positive claim with zero evidence.

I don't believe you have an open mind. I think you're too stupid to comprehend complex ideas. Therefore, you love to wallow in your own ignorance.

As far as I can tell, you are a liar, hypocrite, and bigot.

 

[ThinClient]

So what? Not awfully long from God's POV could still mean millions of years.

We don't know, nor are we claiming to know. We're just saying it could be any unspecified amount of time, but clearly, not a standard day, as Genesis 2:4 says God created all days in his creative "day".

Dude, leave just leave it alone.

Secondly, sure, the last day could be short, but that doesn't mean the previous six were.

Again, just move on.

Now you're just making shit up to fill in the holes that we more-intelligent people are pointing out.

And then you're bidding us leave it alone so you don't have to think about it anymore.

 

[ThinClient]

I don't believe you have an open mind. I think you're too stupid to comprehend complex ideas. Therefore, you wallow in your own ignorance.

As far as I can tell, you are a liar, hypocrite, and bigot.

You're projecting again.

 

[Exophase]

So what? Not awfully long from God's POV could still mean millions of years.

We don't know, nor are we claiming to know. We're just saying it could be any unspecified amount of time, but clearly, not a standard day, as Genesis 2:4 says God created all days in his creative "day".

Dude, leave just leave it alone.

You're not listening. The Bible, in no uncertain terms, says that the seventh day began thousands of years ago. So unless you think the day isn't over yet (which would create all sorts of wonderful new theological problems) it can't have lasted more than thousands of years. Actually, it's easier to say that it wouldn't have made sense for the day to be over before Adam died, so change that to < 1000 years.

I'm trying to get an idea of what this "creative day" argument is really referring to, could you point it out here? http://biblehub.com/genesis/2-4.htm

(incidentally, Genesis 2 is already into the second and contradictory account of the creation, not the one with the list of days in Genesis 1...)

What's also funny is that in the very Genesis 1 creation account God says that the celestial objects were made to keep track of days and years. Really funny to say this and then just a bit later refer to a day that means something else. What seems more likely to me is that the writer of Genesis considered a day to be an absolute unit of time that had preeminent significance, that God gave an ability to track. Throughout the old testament the seventh recurring day is mentioned as significant and blessed, which falls in line with this.

 

[Retro Rob]

Now you're just making shit up to fill in the holes that we more-intelligent people are pointing out.

And then you're bidding us leave it alone so you don't have to think about it anymore.

I'm admitting "I don't know" how long a day is, from a Genesis POV. How is that hole filling?

I'm bidding you to stop trying to force your definition of what a day is, and obviously with the fathers day argument I used, a day could mean any amount of time depending on how it's used.

Genesis 2:4, again, show how you cannot force a 24-hour definition on "day" in Genesis.

 

[ThinClient]

I'm admitting "I don't know" how long a day is, from a Genesis POV. How is that hole filling?

I'm bidding you to stop trying to force your definition of what a day is, and obviously with the fathers day argument I used, a day could mean any amount of time depending on how it's used.

Genesis 2:4, again, show how you cannot force a 24-hour definition on "day" in Genesis.

You don't know, even though the bible plainly says one day. The bible doesn't say some unspecified period of time, it says A DAY. How do you not get this?

 

[Exophase]

Again,

"4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens."

How does that, a prelude to the creation account it is just about to describe, show how you cannot force a 24-hour definition on "day" in Genesis 1?

I'm going to assume you meant Genesis 1, because assuming that 24-hour day makes no sense anywhere in Genesis would be hilarious.

 

[Retro Rob]

You're not listening. The Bible, in no uncertain terms, says that the seventh day began thousands of years ago. So unless you think the day isn't over yet (which would create all sorts of wonderful new theological problems) it can't have lasted more than thousands of years. Actually, it's easier to say that it wouldn't have made sense for the day to be over before Adam died, so change that to < 1000 years.

If the seventh lasted a thousand years, which is fine by me anyway, then the previous six could have lasted a million apiece, or whatever you want to throw in there.

(incidentally, Genesis 2 is already into the second and contradictory account of the creation, not the one with the list of days in Genesis 1...)

So WHAT? It still changes what the definition of a day means as far as the BOOK OF GENESIS IS CONCERNED.

What's also funny is that in the very Genesis 1 creation account God says that the celestial objects were made to keep track of days and years. Really funny to say this and then just a bit later refer to a day that means something else. What seems more likely to me is that the writer of Genesis considered a day to be an absolute unit of time that had preeminent significance, that God gave an ability to track. Throughout the old testament the seventh recurring day is mentioned as significant and blessed, which falls in line with this.

Facepalm

We measure days by the moon and sun, etc...God does not. You have to remember, Moses was an observer from earth, and he wrote what he did from that perspective.

For example, when we say the Sun rises, we don't mean the Sun moves.

From earth, it appears to move but from space, the earth moves. We say the Sun rises based on our position relative to the Sun. This is how we understand the Genesis account.