Atheists face death in 13 Muslim countries

[sandorski]

I like how you continue to avoid confronting the very verses in your bible.

You're really discrediting yourself, here; you realize that, right?

He's either completely deluded or a BS troll spouting things for the sake of discrediting Christianity, I am coming to believe. Either way responding to him seems a total waste.

 

[ThinClient]

????

I....forget it, let's drop it.

No, really, you need to pay close attention to the words you use and the profound ideas that they convey.

You're doing good, though. Just gotta explain yourself a little bit more.

 

[ThinClient]

He's either completely deluded or a BS troll spouting things for the sake of discrediting Christianity, I am coming to believe. Either way responding to him seems a total waste.

Feels good, bro. Giving him enough rope, as they say.

 

[sandorski]

Feels good, bro. Giving him enough rope, as they say.

ahh ok. If you got the energy, have at it. Myself, I just can't accept his/her posts are for real any more.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I like how you continue to avoid confronting the very verses in your bible.

You're really discrediting yourself, here; you realize that, right?

Satan is your father. That can be seen by your hatred, bigotry, deceits, and lies.

I feel no need to discuss Christianity with you. It is enough for me to show the world your true nature as a child of Satan.

 

[Vic]

I know exactly what it means to be a Christian. Sermon on the Mount is what most Christians cherry pick as to how to live their life while conveniently ignoring the fact that their god, the same god that's in the old testament, is an evil asshole.

I'd prefer not to take sides here, but I don't think this was a fair thing to say.

 

[Vic]

Satan is your father. That can be seen by your hatred, bigotry, deceits, and lies.

I feel no need to discuss Christianity with you. It is enough for me to show the world your true nature as a child of Satan.

Ok this isn't an exorcism here. And you're not going to save anyone's soul by casting them out.

 

[Vic]

ahh ok. If you got the energy, have at it. Myself, I just can't accept his/her posts are for real any more.

It's possible. I know people who are hard core charismatics. It's very fear based. End times, intercessions, Satan Satan, etc.
I grew up in this during the 70s and 80s and the cold war so you can imagine. .

 

[sandorski]

It's possible. I know people who are hard core charismatics. It's very fear based. End times, intercessions, Satan Satan, etc.
I grew up in this during the 70s and 80s and the cold war so you can imagine. .

Possible, but as I said earlier, it would be completely delusional. Kinda like the Dark Sided lady

 

[Orignal Earl]

It's possible. I know people who are hard core charismatics. .

I think he is more hard core incorruptible

 

[ThinClient]

Satan is your father. That can be seen by your hatred, bigotry, deceits, and lies.

I feel no need to discuss Christianity with you. It is enough for me to show the world your true nature as a child of Satan.

Haha.

Delusion at it's finest here, folks.

 

[Vic]

Possible, but as I said earlier, it would be completely delusional. Kinda like the Dark Sided lady

Ah WTFacepalm.. I couldn't watch all that but yaknow, being fat is a sin in the bible too (gluttony).
You don't have to be religious to be a hypocrite, but it sure helps right?

 

[ThinClient]

I'd prefer not to take sides here, but I don't think this was a fair thing to say.

The statement is REALLY boiled down, but that's what it comes down to.

Christians are forced to accept the old testament and all of Yahweh's actions and MUST accept those actions as righteous, which is only the beginning of the break down.

 

[Vic]

The statement is REALLY boiled down, but that's what it comes down to.

Christians are forced to accept the old testament and all of Yahweh's actions and MUST accept those actions as righteous, which is only the beginning of the break down.

This is not a new argument and there are many discussions on it. I think the most reasonable explanation is that God has changed as humanity's ability to understand God has changed.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I posted it.

If you'd prefer, here have some more links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

That's not proof of anything...you are very inept at actually making a sound argument...instead idiots like you tend to try to deflect when they are dealt a losing hand!!

 

[Jeff7]

I'm still trying to figure out how you can say God doesn't exist and then say hell in the very next sentence.

I can carry on a conversation about Star Destroyers or Luke Sykwalker without believing that either of them exists.

You are absolutely correct in stating that God had all those people killed by the Israelites. He also has every right to kill each and every person who was alive since including you and me. The artist has every right to slash the canvas.

Most human artists don't create intelligent, self-aware art that is capable of actively objecting to its own destruction.

It's an odd definition of benevolence: The entity gave you life, promises you love and eternal life after your time on Earth, but is standing quietly in the corner with a stare locked onto you, holding a shotgun. "Don't worry, this isn't for you, unless you do something terrible."
I can't say I'd be at ease.

It is pure logic. The one who makes has the right to destroy. If there is a God who made the universe, then He also makes the rules. If we are found lacking (and, according to the Bible that you are quoting, we are all found lacking being born in sin), He has every right to do as He wishes. Even if we aren't found lacking He can do as He wishes and destroy... however this is against His nature.
...

Though the scripture says that he will still do it anyway if his infinite powers fail to find a better solution than "Kill everything and start over."


If he's truly ready and able to kill everything and everyone for some poorly-defined reasons, then he's not benevolent.
If "kill everything" is genuinely not something he'd do, under any circumstance, then why the need for fear of a vengeful god? That shouldn't even need to be a concept that anyone's aware of. I'm sure he'd have the power to turn Earth into a delicious blueberry pie, but it's not something people usually worry about or fear. It's not a concept that is in the common knowledge.

But the idea that people are intended to fear this god does not strike me as something to expect from a genuinely benevolent being.

To add to that, God doesn't destroy without giving those he's about to destroy the chance to change their ways. It's not something he just does out of the blue, and those that are receive plenty of warning. God may tolerate unholiness for a while, but at some point either in this life or the next, the wicked will be destroyed, and he has every right to do so.

Compared to an entity like this god, we're infantile, even well into old age. You can give an infant a lot of chances to change its ways. It'll still just drool on itself and squeal. Punishing it with death seems pretty cruel, and even downright evil, particularly if such behaviors are in its basic nature.

The bolded points are very, very good ones. :thumbsup:

...and that's the problem...that people simply don't know why X happened, and to be honest, they're making assumptions (i.e, evil God) based on the sheer lack of supporting facts. What they're doing is the reverse "god of the gaps" argument by using their own conclusions as gap fillers

We'll never have all the facts. It's all about trusting God, basically.

I'd find it difficult to trust a being whose presence is....well, entirely lacking in any substantial evidence, and whose behaviors are described as "unknowable," chaotic, malevolent, and inhumane.

Yes, people say "faith" is the answer to having that trust.
I don't see faith as much of a positive thing.
"Faith" in that sense is saying that you "know" what is not known. That is not a virtue. That is voluntary ignorance and blindness.


My idea of faith is that something must come with evidence to back it up.
I have faith that general relativity works, even though I've never propelled an object to nearly the speed of light. I have faith that there are a few hundred million transistors in my PC, even though I've never looked inside a single one of those chips. I have faith that an electromotive force is responsible for causing the lights in my room to produce light, even though I've never seen an electron.
But there's considerable evidence for all of those things, such that it is quite safe to assume that those things are "known." That's the level of "faith" that is both acceptable and necessary.

 

[ThinClient]

That's not proof of anything...you are very inept at actually making a sound argument...instead idiots like you tend to try to deflect when they are dealt a losing hand!!

deny deny deny

 

[Pray To Jesus]

The statement is REALLY boiled down, but that's what it comes down to.

Christians are forced to accept the old testament and all of Yahweh's actions and MUST accept those actions as righteous, which is only the beginning of the break down.

The only thing breaking down is your sanity.

 

[ThinClient]

The only thing breaking down is your sanity.

Talking to yourself, are you?

 

[sandorski]

Todays Unsermon seems appropriate.

 

[Retro Rob]

So...a thread about the ill-treatment of fellow human beings has turned, expectedly, into a religious-bash fest.

And secondly, it's a sad indictment on atheists who spend a lot of their time arguing the merits of decisions make by a ghost.

:|

 

[JD50]

So...a thread about the ill-treatment of fellow human beings has turned, expectedly, into a religious-bash fest.

And secondly, it's a sad indictment on atheists who spend a lot of their time arguing the merits of decisions make by a ghost.

:|

What?

 

[Jaskalas]

Because I have never seen this happening.

I tell people all the time that God doesn't exist.

Hell, I have even tried to convert believers into atheists, in public.

Got a few stares but never felt scared for my life.

and if you lived in a different region, much would change including your sense of safety. Be glad that you are safe, and strive to keep it that way. Guard against the immigration of those who would attack your liberty.

 

[soulcougher73]

It's funny when religious people try to sound smart and attempt logic and reasoning. They just flail about.

 

[Vic]

So...a thread about the ill-treatment of fellow human beings has turned, expectedly, into a religious-bash fest.

And secondly, it's a sad indictment on atheists who spend a lot of their time arguing the merits of decisions make by a ghost.

:|

Um.. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here, but I don't think it's unfair to point out that this kind of atrocity is not unique to Islam. Extremist factions within any group can misuse that affiliation as an excuse for a lack of empathy towards persons outside their group.
Case in point : this thread