Atheists face death in 13 Muslim countries

[Retro Rob]

My point was that the Bible and other religions holy text talk and tell you who to kill. Atheists do not have that. If they do its from their own accord and not because something or someone told them they should.

I know what you're saying...but what difference does it make? Does it matter if murderers murder in the name of God or of their own accord?

Either way, some "god" told them to. In the case of non-believers, they become their own "god", so in a way, something is telling them to murder.

 

[Incorruptible]

Christians have been under attack in Muslim countries for years so why aren't you complaining about them? Many are killed or forced to convert.

Nobody should be killed because of their religion and these extremists have no tolerance for those who don't believe in the same religion.

I am still waiting for the atheists and liberals to call them out.

 

[Kung Lau]

I'm still trying to figure out how you can say God doesn't exist and then say hell in the very next sentence.

 

[MrPickins]

Because I have never seen this happening.

I tell people all the time that God doesn't exist.

Hell, I have even tried to convert believers into atheists, in public.

Got a few stares but never felt scared for my life.

Why do you feel the need to do that? Forcing your beliefs on others is the same type of behavior, only they are taking it to the extremes of death here.

"Atheism is dangerous when you're a teenager. It's kind of interesting when you're in college. But after that you're just a drip that ruins parties by starting every conversation with: "You seem like an intelligent person..."
-Kyle Kinane

 

[soulcougher73]

Christians have been under attack in Muslim countries for years so why aren't you complaining about them? Many are killed or forced to convert.

Nobody should be killed because of their religion and these extremists have no tolerance for those who don't believe in the same religion.

I am still waiting for the atheists and liberals to call them out.

We already have millions of those threads thanks to you. This one is about atheists.

 

[Fern]

Expected from the Judeo-Christian god, too.
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Would you like more?

Yeah.

If you're going to throw Christians into this you'll need to quote laws from the New Testament, not the Old Testament.

Fern

 

[MrPickins]

Yeah.

If you're going to throw Christians into this you'll need to quote laws from the New Testament, not the Old Testament.

Fern

I've got no dog in this fight, but I was under the impression that Christians believe in the validity of both sets of scriptures.

 

[Fern]

I think he is trying to say Christians are not real Christians. Otherwise they would listen to the word of their God and go slaughter people But as usual the pick and chose the parts of their beloved Gods words that suits them best.

No, they don't "pick and chose".

In the New Testament it is explained that Jesus came to free Christians (and anyone really) from the Old Testament laws.

Also, as I understand it (a poster of the Jewish faith explained this here) the Jews, who follow the Old Testament, don't carry out such laws because they lack the Levite judges necessary for such determination/judgements. The Levites are one of the lost tribes. (I'm not a practicing Jew so I hope I got that right, apologies if not.)

Fern

 

[Fern]

I've got no dog in this fight, but I was under the impression that Christians believe in the validity of both sets of scriptures.

It's not a question of validity (assuming I understand your use of the term). Rather that when Jesus came Christians were freed from the requirements of those laws. I have read papers on it and it gets a bit complicated, at least it did for me, suffice it to say Christians do not feel any obligation to conform to all those rules that the poster quoted.

However, where in Old Testament it is mentioned that something is a sin or an affront to God they will respect that. Those however are different than the rules listed above or the dietary laws that Jews follow.

Fern

 

[ThinClient]

This is my last reply to you in this thread....I will not be drawn into another dumb thread deraliment with a petty, stupid-ass atheist.

You've learned nothing from your last 2-week ban (for trolling the Paul Walker thread), and you're trolling again.

Enjoy your day...you're not worth the time anymore.

Fuck you, I didn't troll the paul walker thread. I posted funny pics and the mods have zero sense of humor.

I'm obviously worth the time because you took the time to reply. However, as usual, you run and hide when someone challenges the bullshit you call a religion.

I'm not trolling this thread, either. You were all like "well that's what you get when dealing with muslims" as if your own fucking religion isn't rife with murdering those who don't hold the same views. I posted the books, chapters, and verses where YOUR GOD demands that you kill people who aren't of the same faith.

So either keep your mouth shut and stop spouting off stupid comments like the one that prompted my reply to you or learn to deal with someone calling you out on your own bullshit. You get owned left and right in both science and religion threads. You'd think YOU would have learned your lesson, but here you are, being a dumbass again!

 

[ThinClient]

Agree... but I don't think this is so much about religion as it is about the innate nature of powerful men. Both Stalin and Hitler were quite arguably atheist and they killed millions and millions of people.

Neither of those men killed people in the name of atheism.

 

[ThinClient]

From my experience with some atheists on this board, I can safely say that their atheist beliefs definitely contributed to their bloodbaths.

What atheists on this board do you know of that have been murderers?

Really, what a stupid thing to say.

 

[MrPickins]

It's not a question of validity (assuming I understand your use of the term). Rather that when Jesus came Christians were freed from the requirements of those laws. I have read papers on it and it gets a bit complicated, at least it did for me, suffice it to say Christians do not feel any obligation to conform to all those rules that the poster quoted.

However, where in Old Testament it is mentioned that something is a sin or an affront to God they will respect that. Those however are different than the rules listed above or the dietary laws that Jews follow.

Fern

Interesting. I wasn't really aware of that freedom from requirement.

In regards to the bolded part, though, who gets to make this choice? Who says that the part of the Old Testament dealing with killing nonbelivers is not be considered but the part about homosexuals is?

I'm really not trolling. I'm honestly curious.

 

[Retro Rob]

Interesting. I wasn't really aware of that freedom from requirement.

In regards to the bolded part, though, who gets to make this choice? Who says that the part of the Old Testament dealing with killing nonbelivers is not be considered but the part about homosexuals is?

I'm really not trolling. I'm honestly curious.

A common misconception is that the "killing parts" are ignored. In reality, the Law Covenant is out of force (the 600+ laws given to the Jews, which included food/fabric prohibitions, and injunctions against non-believers) and has been since 33 C.E -- about 2 weeks after Christ's death. This isn't a modern invention by Christians.

The Nation of Israel were under the Laws of the OT -- Jesus followers are to
love God, their neighbor, and to preach. God, as far as I've learned, still will deal with the "killing" at Armageddon, which is why we don't carry out the "killing parts" -- even though a lot of Christians don't follow that at all.

Probably as simple as I would explain it.

edit: for some reason, I discern that a certain someone is frothing on his keyboard, frantically googling to prove all that wrong.

 

[Fayd]

Interesting. I wasn't really aware of that freedom from requirement.

In regards to the bolded part, though, who gets to make this choice? Who says that the part of the Old Testament dealing with killing nonbelivers is not be considered but the part about homosexuals is?

I'm really not trolling. I'm honestly curious.

the believer. it's just a book. they're just words. who knows how many times they've been re-translated before they reach your eyes. Thus, the person who gets to make the choice is you.

they're subject to interpretation. any given church tries to unify the interpretation they follow, so that the laws and experience will be similar under that church regardless of practitioner. even within a church there's significant differences wrt interpretation of scripture that have to be worked out.

culture changes, interpretations change, church policy changes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Expected from the Judeo-Christian god, too.

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Would you like more?

What you have done is identify the total absurdity of huge numbers of lunatics of faith and become one of them yourself by taking their ridiculous notion of God as the God that can't possibly exist. Of course it can't exist, you already see that because you can see the absurdity of what they believe, but you became just as stupid yourself when you decided that because a ridiculous god can't exist that God doesn't. Their god can't possibly exist so what have you achieved aside from the profoundly obvious. Not all of the folk who know God exists are so clumsy. Here is a different notion of God you might find somewhat more appealing. Perhaps at a minimum you could have the courtesy not to claim so proudly that all Believers are twits:

http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/another-word-on-god-and-the-twenty-first-century

 

[Kung Lau]

Interesting. I wasn't really aware of that freedom from requirement.

In regards to the bolded part, though, who gets to make this choice? Who says that the part of the Old Testament dealing with killing nonbelivers is not be considered but the part about homosexuals is?

I'm really not trolling. I'm honestly curious.

Christians believe in Jesus, who came to fulfill the law. The Old Testament was to portray all the need for a savior. When Christ came, the law was fulfilled. Not sure what you mean about homosexuals but they are mentioned in the NT as well.

 

[Braznor]

In India no one cares a shit who or what you are so long you have money. Heck, if you have enough money, they will even play alongwith you.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

What atheists on this board do you know of that have been murderers?

Really, what a stupid thing to say.

You are too stupid to comprehend what you read. Pretty much a typical libtard.

 

[MrPickins]

edit: for some reason, I discern that a certain someone is frothing on his keyboard, frantically googling to prove all that wrong.

If you're referring to me, you're wrong.

I'm not trying to debate (although I could see how the bit about gays could be considered a jab). I'm trying to gain further understanding, and I honestly appreciate your answer.

 

[Zorkorist]

Religion is laughable, OP.

That you still need to figure out yourself in the absence of Religion, is what it is about.

-John

 

[Agent11]

Expected from the Judeo-Christian god, too.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Kill Followers of Other Religions
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)




Would you like more?

The old testament doesn't apply to Christians, it is more of a history book for Christians. In Christianity when Jesus was sacrificed for the worlds sins it created a new covenant between mankind and god. If you are feeling frisky read Galatians, acts, Romans, the Corinthians, Hebrews and all the rest of the new testament books.

Why do they have the old testament in the bible then? History and prophecy. In regards to the new covenant this prophecy is applicable.

The New Covenant prophecy
Jeremiah 31:31-34


31 &#8220;Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, &#8216;Know the Lord,&#8217; for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.&#8221;

Prophecy fulfilled
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, &#8220;This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.&#8221;

Old covenant no more
Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant &#8220;new,&#8221; he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Hebrews 9:15
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance&#8212;now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

I was raised Jehovah's Witness, and so I know my bible fairly well. The new covenant is central to Christianity. Before I decided I was an atheist I was an apostate for a while, someone who disagrees with the interpretations and teachings of the 'church', although I was smart enough not to ostracize myself by talking publicly about it. If you research the new covenant you will find there seems to be some convoluted stuff going on besides what I linked here, there are many reasons and it would be a very long discussion as to why. (A start would be reading Jesus' parables and teachings however, as they are usually central to the arguments of the apostles after Jesus' death. Personally I weighted Jesus' own words more than the apostles as they seemed to have dubious character on occasion.)

In other words you need new material if you want to bash Christians thinclient, you are wrong. Although this atheist would rather you give it a break.

 

[ThinClient]

You are too stupid to comprehend what you read. Pretty much a typical libtard.

I'm not a liberal.

Typical ignorant religiotard.

 

[ThinClient]

In other words you need new material if you want to bash Christians thinclient, you are wrong. Although this atheist would rather you give it a break.

Wrong.

The Old Testament is still part of the Bible, which defines Christianity. The god of the Old Testament is the same god as the god of the New Testament, that Christians worship. The OT god is guilty of mass murder and genocide, infanticide, and a host of other atrocities.

Christians hypocritically look down their nose at other religions and shake a finger at how violent they are while conveniently ignoring the fact that their god is easily the most violent and capricious figure in philosophical history.

If Christians are going to claim the New Testament, they're required to claim the old as well. The law of the old testament doesn't apply anymore because Christ's dying on the cross fulfilled the Abrahamic Covenant, but that doesn't change the fact that their god is still a fucking unethical, immoral animal.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I'm not a liberal.

Typical ignorant religiotard.

You are a lying piece of retarded shit.