Atheist 10 commandments

[bshole]

What god(s), that I don't believe in, should I worship as an atheist?

The Holy Trinity of course!!... money, sex and self-gratification.

 

[Retro Rob]

I don't think there is any rational person that would say a scientist can't believe in creationism. The old saying goes: science looks to answer how our universe works, not why. A god could have created the universe we live in. Science makes no claim to why the universe came into existence or by who, if there is a who.

FWIW, I was quoting you as a joke, no actual argument intended

I knew you weren't serious, hence, my "wink".

 

[Rakehellion]

What god(s), that I don't believe in, should I worship as an atheist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities

Take your pick. There's no wrong answer!

 

[Rakehellion]

Yep, and this is why I pretty much know there are closet creationists in biology...if there is any field of science that is completely hostile to god, its biology.

I think it's the other way around. There's nothing in the Bible condemning evolution, but it's a platform for many people.

 

[Retro Rob]

I think it's the other way around. There's nothing in the Bible condemning evolution, but it's a platform for many people.

DId you not read what Zinfamous just said? He said that if you believe God directed evolution, you're a poor biologist. That tells me that your credentials and/or body of work doesn't matter to him -- but its your belief that determines your worth as a biologist.

Question: How many biologists can say for a certainty God didn't direct it?

That's just an opinion, and I hope that before a biologist says God didn't direct it, he'd better preface his remarks with "in my opinion".

 

[child of wonder]

BTW, in the New Testament you would find how slaves and masters are to act in regard to one another. No, no one said "thou shalt not have slaves", but there were warnings against abuse with consequences, for those who mistreated slaves. Now being the morally superior creature you pretend to be just what you have done back in those days? Probably hide, indeed you probably would have condemned any ethical treatment lest Rome consider you a rebel.

This defense of slavery in the Bible simply doesn't hold water.

Why would a perfectly good being condone slavery to any extent? What would we have done? Well, if I'm god, I'd tell people that slavery is wrong, for starters. In fact, I wasted almost half of the Ten Commandments on myself, the least I could do is mention "oh, by the way, owning other people as slaves is wrong, too" especially if I'm revealing my "true word" to people to write down.

What about murder for that matter? God made 2 bears kill 42 children for calling Elisha "baldy." How is that moral? How is Lot offering his daughters to be gang raped moral? Is Jephthah sacrificing his daughter to god moral?

It's nonsense to claim absolute morals come from such a being or that everything is "meaningless" without a child murdering, rape and slavery condoning, genocidal, egotistical god whom will punish his creations forever unless they worship him.

 

[Rakehellion]

DId you not read what Zinfamous just said? He said that if you believe God directed evolution, you're a poor biologist. That tells me that your credentials and/or body of work doesn't matter to him -- but its your belief that determines your worth as a biologist.

Question: How many biologists can say for a certainty God didn't direct it?

That's just an opinion, and I hope that before a biologist says God didn't direct it, he'd better preface his remarks with "in my opinion".

I don't think most biologists care as long as you're practicing biology and not religion in the laboratory.

 

[MongGrel]

LOL, atheists. I would be embarrassed to admit I was an atheist, it's mostly a bunch of neckbeards sitting around and making lame jokes about the FSM, trying to convince themselves they're smarter than everyone else.

I'm agnostic. I don't know, and more importantly I don't care. The existence or non-existence of god does not affect my life. The theists and atheists who argue about this shit constantly are all just a bunch of pathetic douchebags.

I wasn't aware they even had a place they met at.

 

[MongGrel]

Is it time to discuss why we don't all have our free Bronies yet ?

:sneaky:

 

[BoberFett]

I wasn't aware they even had a place they met at.

There's this new thing called the Internet. Check it out sometime.

 

[MongGrel]

There's this new thing called the Internet. Check it out sometime.

I don't care about Atheism, so I don't bother.

Would be more wasted time.

Like meeting up someplace to discuss non issues.

I prefer to discuss things here, way more convenient.

Thanks for the tip, I'll try that internet thing out someday.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The Holy Trinity of course!!... money, sex and self-gratification.

I believe those gods are already claimed and worshipped by a different group. In fact, often by people who worship a different god and claim not to care for such things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities

Take your pick. There's no wrong answer!

Awesome how some people can know all of those are wrong, with the exception of their god(s) being the correct one. All of the deities have offered the same amount and kinds of evidence, but those people know, their religious book said their choice is the right one. So that settles that.

 

[Retro Rob]

Why would a perfectly good being condone slavery to any extent?

Why would a perfectly good being send his son (not himself) to pay for the sins of man so that people like you could live forever in Paradise, effectively ending slavery forever?

What would we have done?

Would you have sent your son to taste death for all men so they could live forever and be resurrected?

God made 2 bears kill 42 children for calling Elisha "baldy."

God saved a prostitute (Rahab) and even a Canaanite tribe (the Gibenonites) who were not even Jewish for simply believing in Him. That number far exceeded the 42 children.

How is that moral?

How is that immoral, saving people who were not even Jews?

How is Lot offering his daughters to be gang raped moral? Is Jephthah sacrificing his daughter to god moral?

How is God sending Joseph to Egypt to save the land from a prophesied 7 year famine, immoral? How is Jesus healing countless people from every disease, immoral?

It's nonsense to claim absolute morals come from such a being or that everything is "meaningless" without a child murdering, rape and slavery condoning, genocidal, egotistical god whom will punish his creations forever unless they worship him.

It's perfectly fine to claim absolute moral come from such a giving, self-sacrificing, non-biased loving God who has gone beyond what is necessary to save people who didn't even initially care about him, even a land that would eventually prove to enslave his people.

See what I just did there?

My point isn't to go back and forth, but to further demonstrate how easily it is to quote Bible accounts and individual passages to confirm a previously held bias.

We can do this all day!

 

[shira]

The entire concept of atheism is that we don't have an absolute system of morals. But then they make a system of morals specifically designed to reflect another's system. A spinoff.

No; the "entire concept" of atheism is that God doesn't exist. Beyond that, atheists can believe in an absolute morality or in no morality at all, or in any view of morality in between.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Atheism.2C_religion.2C_and_morality

The strictest sense of positive atheism does not entail any specific beliefs outside of disbelief in any deity; as such, atheists can hold any number of spiritual beliefs. For the same reason, atheists can hold a wide variety of ethical beliefs, ranging from the moral universalism of humanism, which holds that a moral code should be applied consistently to all humans, to moral nihilism, which holds that morality is meaningless.

 

[alzan]

It's perfectly fine to claim absolute moral come from such a giving, self-sacrificing, non-biased loving God who has gone beyond what is necessary to save people who didn't even initially care about him, even a land that would eventually prove to enslave his people.

See what I just did there?

My point isn't to go back and forth, but to further demonstrate how easily it is to quote Bible accounts and individual passages to confirm a previously held bias.

We can do this all day!

If G-d wanted to be cared about he shouldn't have given people free will.

Yes Rob, you can quote Bible accounts and individual passages to confirm a previous and currently held bias.

 

[Retro Rob]

Yes Rob, you can quote Bible accounts and individual passages to confirm a previous and currently held bias.

So can you, if you want. Really, the Bible is literally words on paper that we can spin and twist to mean whatever we want, especially since those who either wrote it or lived during the time of writing are long dead and can't defend it or add context when needed.

Prosperity preachers selectively quote, from Malachi specifically, to show how giving them money and making them millionaires can lead to your personal and spiritual wealth.

Doomsday preachers focus on Revelation and Daniel to advance the idea that the world will be burned with fire, and that God will restore his Kingdom on Earth, with Jerusalem as its Capitol.

Atheists almost exclusively quote from the Hebrew Bible to support their idea that God is a murderer.

Most Christians run from the Hebrew Bible and only quote for the Greek Bible to show God as a loving, giving God, and not a God who does kill people when he sees fit.

..and so on, and so forth.

Its been done so often, in every single discussion that its doesn't mean anything to quote scripture anymore.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Atheists are destroying the sanctity of telling others how to live!!

 

[Atreus21]

Yep, and this is why I pretty much know there are closet creationists in biology...if there is any field of science that is completely hostile to god, its biology.

Oh, I disagree with that. I've found that the deeper you get into biology, particularly cell biology, the harder it is to accept that randomness produced something so intricate and ordered.

 

[alzan]

So can you, if you want. Really, the Bible is literally words on paper that we can spin and twist to mean whatever we want, especially since those who either wrote it or lived during the time of writing are long dead and can't defend it or add context when needed.

Prosperity preachers selectively quote, from Malachi specifically, to show how giving them money and making them millionaires can lead to your personal and spiritual wealth.

Doomsday preachers focus on Revelation and Daniel to advance the idea that the world will be burned with fire, and that God will restore his Kingdom on Earth, with Jerusalem as its Capitol.

Atheists almost exclusively quote from the Hebrew Bible to support their idea that God is a murderer.

Most Christians run from the Hebrew Bible and only quote for the Greek Bible to show God as a loving, giving God, and not a God who does kill people when he sees fit.

..and so on, and so forth.

Its been done so often, in every single discussion that its doesn't mean anything to quote scripture any more.

< Somewhere, the supreme leader of all atheists makes a notation in his ledger that step # 3,675,439 of the Ultimate Plan To Forever Destroy Belief Systems has been completed; and rubs his hands with glee. >

 

[SlowSpyder]

Oh, I disagree with that. I've found that the deeper you get into biology, particularly cell biology, the harder it is to accept that randomness produced something so intricate and ordered.

What in cell biology would you say points towards a designer or creator? What do you find difficult to accept as having been produced by chance and random processes over time?

 

[piasabird]

Some people tend to describe a belief in a scientific method of going about life, but humans simply are not very scientific. They are full of feelings like joy, peace, hate, aggressiveness, contention, hate, envy, despair and even enlightenment.

Even though I profess to believe in God and adhere to a religion, I don't turn away from science. I love the benefits of science. If you ever read the Bible, in the book of John it says every good thing comes from God. I guess that includes air conditioning and antibiotics, airplanes, cars, bikes, as well as the bounty of nature.

Then if you look at psychology there are physical needs like shelter, clothing, food, water, air and then there is also a need for what they refer to as spiritual enlightenment. Many cultures approach this in different ways. There is something to the power of the mind that can take human being beyond what is physically possible. Even in martial arts it is possible to unlock certain abilities that can not be achieved without training both the body and the mind.