AT World of Warcraft Thread (WotLK, where do you play, General BS and all that)

[Jax Omen]

technically, any stat except AP/SP would follow the rule of "the more you get, the less it's worth", as increasing stat A typically increases the value of additional points in stat B,C, or D.

Haste doesn't have any kind of built in DR, 1% haste always means you swing 1% more frequently. It's like armor, it linearly increases the number of hits you do (linearly increases your EH), but the effect on your swing timer appears to shrink per point of haste you add (the mitigation you get per point of armor appears to shrink as you get more of it).

The main thing to understand is that haste is calculated as "extra casts/swings", not "increased cast/swing speed". That means 100% haste is "twice as many casts/swings", not the "instant casts/swings" that it sounds like it would be.

It's a complex stat, to be sure, but at least it doesn't have Increasing Returns like Armor Penetration (where more arpen increases the value of additional arpen)...

 

[Soccerman06]

technically, any stat except AP/SP would follow the rule of "the more you get, the less it's worth", as increasing stat A typically increases the value of additional points in stat B,C, or D.

Haste doesn't have any kind of built in DR, 1% haste always means you swing 1% more frequently. It's like armor, it linearly increases the number of hits you do (linearly increases your EH), but the effect on your swing timer appears to shrink per point of haste you add (the mitigation you get per point of armor appears to shrink as you get more of it).

The main thing to understand is that haste is calculated as "extra casts/swings", not "increased cast/swing speed". That means 100% haste is "twice as many casts/swings", not the "instant casts/swings" that it sounds like it would be.

It's a complex stat, to be sure, but at least it doesn't have Increasing Returns like Armor Penetration (where more arpen increases the value of additional arpen)...

... haste is not linear in any perspective. Read my previous post.

 

[Anubis]

... haste is not linear in any perspective. Read my previous post.

this, warlock haste is some stupid looking step function.

And speaking of haste I'm pretty sure I've hit the plateau, simming new gear drops it from the 2nd stat behind Spell power to the 4th stat behind crit. Good olf SPIRIT is now the 2nd best stat according to the sim.

170 haste from 1 item FTW

 

[lupi]

hmm, tried searching through this thread but it might have been in the last one just before wrath came out.

 

[nageov3t]

which do you think is a more fun raid healer: priest, pally, druid, or shaman?

 

[Anubis]

drooooood

 

[Aikouka]

drooooood

They can be pretty damn crazy when it comes to HPS... especially if damage is predictable and wide-spread like Festergut.

 

[Soccerman06]

this, warlock haste is some stupid looking step function.

And speaking of haste I'm pretty sure I've hit the plateau, simming new gear drops it from the 2nd stat behind Spell power to the 4th stat behind crit. Good olf SPIRIT is now the 2nd best stat according to the sim.

170 haste from 1 item FTW

spirit isnt worth shit for aff.

1.16 spirit, 2.21 sp, 1.41 crit, 1.93 haste. Learn to simcraft right.

 

[Anubis]

spirit isnt worth shit for aff.

1.16 spirit, 2.21 sp, 1.41 crit, 1.93 haste. Learn to simcraft right.

i could have sworn i typed for DESTRO in there someplace o well

i know its not worth shit for aff

 

[1ceHacka]

They can be pretty damn crazy when it comes to HPS... especially if damage is predictable and wide-spread like Festergut.

I love the Blood Queen fight. In 10 man, I pulled an easy 12k hps on her. Festergut is nice too, but the damage that Blood Queen spits out is a lot more than Fester.

 

[lupi]

Wanted to go to bed early yesterday and luckily the game helped out. Did an AH scan and 3 randoms and was in and out in under 2 hours. Snagged a quick ToC on the lock, then uk on the shammy with some raid mt on his frost emblem run that was taking 2-3 groups at time and never losing aggro and finally the pallý got into a forge group with just the final boss left. In general I think forge is a pretty easy loot instance if people can understand the whole don't attack when you're marked thing, except for a couple hard pulls as you move up the ramp. And of course this group was in the middle of the ramp pulls.


Since I did get done so early I logged about 30 minutes on the hunter in feralas before going. OMG some of the quest changes there are so nice. One of the quest was changed so you no longer have to go to hinterlands to kill owlbeast, they upped the number of those tree elementals walking around so it's hard not to find one, the chicken escort quest only has one summon group and he goes away as soon as you hit the main road, quest item drop rated upped across the board including some at 100% values; all in all changes that would have been a godsend back in he vanilla days.


Also had one of those few good experiences with GM service. Was in occ a couple days ago on the shammy in what must have been a fairly newb group (with final boss health down to about 30% I had done enough to take him down about 50% myself; don't recall any other time stops but mine and doubt they knew how to work charges either) so with all that aggro he finally gibbed me. They did manage to down him and I hit my greed buttons and released, but when I got back I didn't have a cache in the chest even though I could see on the chat log that the others received one. So after submitting a ticket stating this the next day I had a cache in the mail with 3 yellow gems and a couple emblems inside.

 

[Anubis]

Since I did get done so early I logged about 30 minutes on the hunter in feralas before going. OMG some of the quest changes there are so nice. One of the quest was changed so you no longer have to go to hinterlands to kill owlbeast, they upped the number of those tree elementals walking around so it's hard not to find one, the chicken escort quest only has one summon group and he goes away as soon as you hit the main road, quest item drop rated upped across the board including some at 100% values; all in all changes that would have been a godsend back in he vanilla days.

I actually just did all of that on my Shaman and thought the same thing, those damn trees you needed 2 of for logs used to be so hard to find, like 2 per zone, now they are all over the place, I didnt have drop rates at 100% but for the yeti hides, metallic shit and other is was prob 70% ish, much better zone now


Also WHEN the fuck did horde get a flight-point at The Bulwark? also we have one at the bridge between EPL and WPL now, those also help a lot

 

[lupi]

Speaking of the new flight points, I thought when those were added they also put a new one in at the hillsbard/arathi border but when I headed that way the other day I couldn't find it.

 

[nageov3t]

so, it's kind of insane how much low-level mats are selling for.

I recently picked up my horde hunter and he's rolling in gold now because mageweave is selling for 20 gold/stack and heavy leather is at 18 gold.

 

[smackababy]

They usually sell for pretty good because nobody farms them.

 

[Soccerman06]

i could have sworn i typed for DESTRO in there someplace o well

i know its not worth shit for aff

There was no destro, but its still worthless for destro. 0/14/57 is good.

 

[nageov3t]

leveling up a low level alt is making me appreciate blizzard's getting rid of tokens... the low level AH is absurd (like 20-40g for every random BoE) and quest rewards suck. half my gear is like 20 levels out-dated because I find get replacements.

I could fill in the gaps with the WSG/AB low-level rewards, but while I can get the honor to get one in 1-2 games, it takes like 15+ to get the required tokens. in the time it'd take, I could level up with my crap gear and get to outlands.

 

[Anubis]

the gear you get from doing the random instance at low leveles is amazing

 

[nageov3t]

man, so BRD clears still take about 3 hours. lol.

we were doing great and I was steering the group towards emp until we got to that room before Flamelash and the tank and mage were like "ooh, who's that guy?" and jumped down to Incendius... we were clearing our way out just fine until we got to the spectator room and the tank jumped down because he saw a quest giver in the middle of the arena /facepalm

so we cleared the jail, dorm, and bar/emp... worst instance design ever. I don't think I'm doing anymore randoms till outland. it was great xp, but took foreeever.

funny side-note, the AV quest crossbow is actually significantly better than the BoA bow for a few levels if you get it right at 51.

 

[Jax Omen]

... haste is not linear in any perspective. Read my previous post.

Try reading my post again, or understand what the formulas you linked MEAN, since they show you both the conversion from rating to % haste and the new swing timer from that %haste.

Haste does not linearly increase your weapon swing speed. Haste DOES linearly increase your number of swings/time. That's how the formula is WRITTEN. If you have 50% haste it means instead of swinging 60 swings a minute (hypothetically, of course), you swing 90 swings a minute. Instead of a 1.0 swing timer, this results in a swing timer of .66~. If you were to hit 100% haste, it means instead of swinging 60 times a minute, you swing 120 times a minute, or a swing timer of .5. It is a LINEAR increase in the number of swings over time. It is a non-linear change to your swing timer. Period.

Spells work exactly the same way. 50% haste means you cast 50% more spells in the same period of time. If you cast 30 spells per minute (2 second cast speed, such as talented Lightning Bolt), you now cast 45 spells per minute (1.33 second cast speed). If you get 100% haste, you now cast 60 spells per minute (1 second cast speed). Haste nonlinearly decreases the amount of time per cast while LINEARLY increasing the amount of casts you do.

That is how haste is designed. Period. That is how there is no such thing as DR on haste, merely a cap on spell haste (because the spell GCD is capped at 1 second no matter how much haste you get). 1% spell haste gives you 1% more casts all the way until that cap. 1% melee haste gives you 1% more melee swings. Period.

Warlocks function the same as every other caster like this, except you get a DoT that scales with haste as well, which can muck up the VALUE of haste at various points, in terms of dps... but 1% haste will always mean 1% more casts.

 

[lupi]

Normally I would easily rank BRD as the absolute crappiest dungeon in the game...but I avoided it to the max extent possible because of that so it slids a couple spots down on that list

 

[Jax Omen]

Finally killed Blood Queen 25-man (normal) >_>

Did it with a friend rank and a backup

 

[smackababy]

So, my guild got to Lich King tonight and we just spent the last part of our raid wiping in P1. We decided to lust and push P2 just to see it, and nobody got out and it was pretty much everyone but me dead. =(

Tomorrow we'll see what happens. It is exciting!

 

[guyver01]

man, so BRD clears still take about 3 hours. lol.

Even as an 80 it still takes like an hour to full clear.

Decided i was bored the other night and went into BRD... took an hour to get thru that place.

 

[lupi]

So, there's a new keylogger capable of hacking authenticator accounts.

Besides the lulz, color me shocked.