AT World of Warcraft Thread (Mists, Where do you play, General BS and all that)

[rh71]

Of course I took advantage of it. Someone else would have bought it up and done the same thing. Do you think all the blood spirits on the AH are legit? They're all duped and people buy them up for 1.2k. Everyone is affected by this, and chances are, you or your guildies are beneficiaries of this whenever you buy cheap herbs from the AH (botting) or cheap mats from any place. Just because some people benefit from it does not mean they don't want it to stop, because in the long run, it will screw over the game.

That's like saying you took advantage of a welfare or low income housing loophole because someone else would have.

You know how they say boycotting something is how you hit them (in the wallet)? You're doing the exact opposite. There will always be someone like you scooping it up with the same mindset and do these providers care who it is buying it?

Personally, I don't care, but it just sounds silly to preach "buy American" then get a Toyota.

 

[Hacp]

That's like saying you took advantage of a welfare or low income housing loophole because someone else would have.

Wrong. Someone was selling something. I bought it.

You know how they say boycotting something is how you hit them (in the wallet)? You're doing the exact opposite. There will always be someone like you scooping it up with the same mindset and do these providers care who it is buying it?

There is no boycotting. They will list it on the AH for cheap and someone will buy it out. You are naive.

 

[rh71]

Wrong. Someone was selling something. I bought it.



There is no boycotting. They will list it on the AH for cheap and someone will buy it out. You are naive.

not naive - I know it will happen because there are just too many who will follow the same failing BG strat rather than do something that will help the team and turn the game around. There will always be the sheep. Is it ok to be part of the fail herd and still bitch about why your team loses?

You are enabling. And disapproving. At the same time. You know it but won't admit it and rather make an excuse for why it's ok. But you just got through saying it's not ok. Whatever.

 

[Hacp]

not naive - I know it will happen because there are just too many who will follow the same failing BG strat rather than do something that will help the team and turn the game around. There will always be the sheep. Is it ok to be part of the fail herd and still bitch about why your team loses?

You are enabling. And disapproving. At the same time. You know it but won't admit it and rather make an excuse for why it's ok. But you just got through saying it's not ok. Whatever.

You're a small picture guy. You need to focus on the big picture.

 

[Aikouka]

Hmm is this WoW's first issue with duping? I can't recall a single time in the past when it occurred. Although, I am curious how they are going about it... not that I'd abuse it since I don't even play anymore.

 

[diesbudt]

I dont know of any other spec that requires a certain ilvl to not be worthless. I feel like you just cant do this in a game, but its been done. Its so hard to believe at this point. Nerfed to worthlessness. My fresh 90 dk has more utility to a raid I feel. His dps is about 10k less and he brings other valuable things like a battle rez. Insane.

Mistweaver Monk.

With the hit to 30% mana, only those who raid enough to get the ilevel required with enough spirit (14-15k buffed) and those who are top skilled (top 10%) will be able to compete healing effectiveness wise as a healing monk. The mechanics are so chaotic, that before the nerfs it was n't noticable/didn't matter as they did great HPS and had decent mana recovery. Now with that veil gone, it is obvious to many people the current monk mechanics are broken, and need an overhaul, which is what blizzard is saying they are doing for 5.2

 

[diesbudt]

feh... 4.1 really fucked over all my income sources.

glad I already made my money. flasks are also down from ~200g each to under 100g.

idk why Blizz felt compelled to buff golden lotus drops out the ass while nerfing all other herbs.

They nerfed the spawn rate, not the number of nodes.

Leveling my DK from 85-90, I herbed enough herbs... to make 72 Green inks. (sold them all at 80g a piece.)

I literally couldn't go 2 feet w.o grabbing an herb. On top of dailies on my monk when I do them... Honestly unless you focus soley on fool cap, the herb rate is still plenty high.

 

[diesbudt]

Hmm is this WoW's first issue with duping? I can't recall a single time in the past when it occurred. Although, I am curious how they are going about it... not that I'd abuse it since I don't even play anymore.

I am pretty sure it couldn't be done based on the code of the game, and how it is not localized information on your computer, much like most duping methods use. However if I am wrong :

Also This is the first I have heard about this, have not seen any of these "low/dupe" prices, have not seen any increase on rare items by such an amount to be obvious dupe, or reading different forum sites not a single mention of this.

I mean sure I have seen/heard of many dupe "methods" except most them are fake/sites using keyloggers on people thinking they are real. Not saying it isn't possible per say, I just think i twould have been more noticable/known if so.

Blood spirits on my relm is 1.6k a piece... my relm has hundreds, if not thousands of raid groups. On top of my raid group gets like 8ish a week because we are jsut d/eing gear now for the most part. So I could see the price that low. Sands price have been around 24-28k since even cata, so the price of 22k doesn't sound off. Only off price is the motorcycle, as the mats for that are 13-15k depending.

 

[nageov3t]

I literally couldn't go 2 feet w.o grabbing an herb. On top of dailies on my monk when I do them... Honestly unless you focus soley on fool cap, the herb rate is still plenty high.

yeah... I disagree, unless it's just me playing on a high pop server.

it takes me roughly 20 stacks of non-fool's cap to make a single card. that's easily a good +2 hours of farming on my server as a non-druid.

doable? sure, but I'd rather play xbox in that case... and it shatters profits, with every oxen/crane cards selling at a loss and flasks just barely breaking even.

I fly through the Fool's Cap spawn areas while doing my dailies, but I rarely see more than a single spawn. definitely not something I'd try farming.

 

[diesbudt]

yeah... I disagree, unless it's just me playing on a high pop server.

it takes me roughly 20 stacks of non-fool's cap to make a single card. that's easily a good +2 hours of farming on my server as a non-druid.

doable? sure, but I'd rather play xbox in that case... and it shatters profits, with every oxen/crane cards selling at a loss and flasks just barely breaking even.

I fly through the Fool's Cap spawn areas while doing my dailies, but I rarely see more than a single spawn. definitely not something I'd try farming.

I am on stormrage. High PvE pop. So high it sometimes has a slight que on weekend nights/raid nights.

Also that is why you sell the inks. They go much higher than the cards. Also, for 1 card worth, my monk does like 35-40 min of herbing (during dailies and then a few minutes afterwards) And that is with 0 fools caps. Most is green tea, and the rain one.

Also... many herbalists farm the fool caps. Thats the trick: do not farm fool caps. SOOOO many sha touched herbs, green tea and rain herbs are everywhere. Actually I currently have 21 stacks of green tea still on my monk, as my DK sends him all the herbs he found (this is from 89.5-90)

 

[nageov3t]

I am on stormrage. High PvE pop. So high it sometimes has a slight que on weekend nights/raid nights.

Also that is why you sell the inks. They go much higher than the cards. Also, for 1 card worth, my monk does like 35-40 min of herbing (during dailies and then a few minutes afterwards) And that is with 0 fools caps. Most is green tea, and the rain one.

maybe I have shit luck, then. heh.

doing dailies nets me maybe a stack and a half of green tea, and not much else... post-nerf, there isn't a single place on my realm right now that I'd describe as "unable to go 2 feet without hitting an herb."

if I want to actually use my scrolls of wisdom for anything, it takes me a couple hours of farming or 50-60g/stack of herbs on the AH. for now, they're just gathering dust in my bags because I can't be assed to make cards anymore.

 

[Hacp]

Blood spirits on my relm is 1.6k a piece... my relm has hundreds, if not thousands of raid groups. On top of my raid group gets like 8ish a week because we are jsut d/eing gear now for the most part.

When you have one guy selling 200 a week, for sometimes 50% of the AH price, you know its part of some exploit.

So I could see the price that low. Sands price have been around 24-28k since even cata, so the price of 22k doesn't sound off.

I'm pretty sure the mats to make the sands is 27k alone, from vendors.

 

[diesbudt]

maybe I have shit luck, then. heh.

doing dailies nets me maybe a stack and a half of green tea, and not much else... post-nerf, there isn't a single place on my realm right now that I'd describe as "unable to go 2 feet without hitting an herb."

if I want to actually use my scrolls of wisdom for anything, it takes me a couple hours of farming or 50-60g/stack of herbs on the AH. for now, they're just gathering dust in my bags because I can't be assed to make cards anymore.

Jade Forest

 

[diesbudt]

When you have one guy selling 200 a week, for sometimes 50% of the AH price, you know its part of some exploit.

I'm pretty sure the mats to make the sands is 27k alone, from vendors.

Really? I do not remember paying that much in cata... was 2 years ago though.

 

[Hacp]

Really? I do not remember paying that much in cata... was 2 years ago though.

Had to double check myself too.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=65891

On wowhead one of the top comments says the price is

1 - Pyrium-Laced Crystalline Vial 4,500g
8 - Sands of Time 21,600g

With the guild perk.

 

[Xonim]

As tough as Elegon was for us (first kill was Wednesday), Will was just a complete joke. Two-shot him last night after a wipe at ~30% when both of our tanks went down in the 2nd titan gas. Next pull they popped CDs on that one and it was no problem. Our tree finished oom but our mistweaver was still at ~30% mana, so we had a LITTLE room for error. Overall, wasn't too difficult. Did this as frost since there was so much movement, finished #4 in dps, in front of only the tanks and our undergeared ret paladin.

Rather than jump into HoF, we decided to take a crack at Protectors in Terrace. First pull, we lost a couple people to lightning storm, second pull we hit the enrage timer with ~17m hp left on the last guy, third pull we got them down with ~25 seconds left until enrage, everyone still alive, but healers were completely oom. Tried as arcane the first pull (65k only), frost the 2nd (62k), and then arcane for our kill (76k, #3).

The caster dagger dropped, and I rolled on it since our only other person that could use it has 483 --> 491 upgraded sha-touched and didn't want it, but then decided I'd be doing the same thing with my 483 sha-touched staff, I'm 3 sigils of wisdom away from my gem, don't have an OH, etc, so I just DE'd it. Not worth the mats for jade spirit for 1 week, 2 weeks tops.

I can pull better numbers with arcane on mostly stationary fights, but it REALLY drops if I get caught up in the fight and don't notice that i'm at 50% mana / 6 stacks of arcane charge. That's what happened the first try as arcane, it's a pretty substantial drop. It happened I think twice on the kill attempt, both during heroism. I should see if I can set something up to yell at me for low mana at 75%. I'm sure it generally happens due to forgetting to clear the stacks after my AM procs and what not.

 

[diesbudt]

Had to double check myself too.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=65891

On wowhead one of the top comments says the price is

1 - Pyrium-Laced Crystalline Vial 4,500g
8 - Sands of Time 21,600g

With the guild perk.

Fair enough. So it was 26.1-26.2k. That sounds familiar...

Maybe my server is just so crowded that there is no reason to dupe on this server hence why I didn't see/notice it.

 

[diesbudt]

As tough as Elegon was for us (first kill was Wednesday), Will was just a complete joke. Two-shot him last night after a wipe at ~30% when both of our tanks went down in the 2nd titan gas. Next pull they popped CDs on that one and it was no problem. Our tree finished oom but our mistweaver was still at ~30% mana, so we had a LITTLE room for error. Overall, wasn't too difficult. Did this as frost since there was so much movement, finished #4 in dps, in front of only the tanks and our undergeared ret paladin.

Rather than jump into HoF, we decided to take a crack at Protectors in Terrace. First pull, we lost a couple people to lightning storm, second pull we hit the enrage timer with ~17m hp left on the last guy, third pull we got them down with ~25 seconds left until enrage, everyone still alive, but healers were completely oom. Tried as arcane the first pull (65k only), frost the 2nd (62k), and then arcane for our kill (76k, #3).

The caster dagger dropped, and I rolled on it since our only other person that could use it has 483 --> 491 upgraded sha-touched and didn't want it, but then decided I'd be doing the same thing with my 483 sha-touched staff, I'm 3 sigils of wisdom away from my gem, don't have an OH, etc, so I just DE'd it. Not worth the mats for jade spirit for 1 week, 2 weeks tops.

I can pull better numbers with arcane on mostly stationary fights, but it REALLY drops if I get caught up in the fight and don't notice that i'm at 50% mana / 6 stacks of arcane charge. That's what happened the first try as arcane, it's a pretty substantial drop. It happened I think twice on the kill attempt, both during heroism. I should see if I can set something up to yell at me for low mana at 75%. I'm sure it generally happens due to forgetting to clear the stacks after my AM procs and what not.

First boss of Hof is easy, just need to dodge things/get in bubble quickly. Healing and DPS wasn't bad.

Also, 30% mana on Will for mistweaver? Ouch, even after mana nerf I can get by with 80-90% on all normal modes MSV, except elegon as p2 mana drains me, that may hurt you guys on later bosses/heroics if you ever try them. (Monks in 10m content are falling behind, and according to information, only ahead of Shamans. 25man they still do averagly well) Clarification: Garalon and Elegon cater to monk healing style/mechanics. So they own that fight.

Did you do protectors "normal" way or "elite" way?

And with the weapons. I have a 397 mace, (upgraded). I see no reason to use a LFR sha touched weapon, and thus... my gem sits there sad. lol

 

[Xonim]

We did protectors the normal way -- raid leader wanted to do elite, but we were within 45 minutes of raid end time, it was our first time pulling them and our dps isn't all that fantastic still. Our ret paladin still hasn't gotten much gear (she heals LFR so doesn't get dps gear there, and aside from a 489 2her, we haven't had any plate drops to give to her), I'm still in the transition from mostly crit gear to haste gear, and our WW monk is just lowish dps (shouldn't be, 480 ilvl, but usually 5-7k below everyone except the ret paladin, plus he seems to die a lot.

After seeing some of these fights I'm thinking running tree/mistweaver probably isn't the optimal healing setup. Of course, I haven't leveled any of my healers so far in MoP, so I know nothing about healers right now.

FWIW, our mistweaver is only 482 ilvl, armory shows 13871 int, 9468 spirit. Looks like he's gemming spirit in blues, spirit/crit or spirit/haste in yellows, int/crit (wtf) or int/spirit in reds. Reforged 1600+ crit into haste. Has 496 sha weapon with 500 int gem. I thought he said last night that he was going to be able to do both upgrades to the 496 weapon on Tuesday after LFRs.

I think the plan this week is MSV 10 on Tuesday, hopefully full clear in one night even though we only have 1 elegon and 1 will kill thus far. If we can start on time (LOL riiiiight) and don't spend time wiping on ele or will, we might be able to get protectors down also. With or without protectors, I'm thinking we'll be going to HoF on Sunday.

I'm going to do HoF LFR first tomorrow, and hopefully a Sha kill. If I can get my 3 sigils of wisdom, and hopefully tier or other pants, I can do my 2x upgrades to my sha Staff and then get the final quest for the gem before Terrace. If I don't get pants, I'll probably buy the Klaxxi hit/crit ones since I'm still in 463 crit/haste.

 

[diesbudt]

We did protectors the normal way -- raid leader wanted to do elite, but our dps isn't all that fantastic still. Our ret paladin still hasn't gotten much gear (she heals LFR so doesn't get dps gear there, and aside from a 489 2her, we haven't had any plate drops to give to her), I'm still in the transition from mostly crit gear to haste gear, and our WW monk is just low dps (shouldn't be, 480 ilvl, but usually 5-7k below everyone except the ret paladin.

After seeing some of these fights I'm thinking running tree/mistweaver probably isn't the optimal healing setup. Of course, I haven't leveled any of my healers so far in MoP, so I know nothing. /shrug

FWIW, our mistweaver is only 482 ilvl, armory shows 13871 int, 9468 spirit. Looks like he's gemming spirit in blues, spirit/crit or spirit/haste in yellows, int/crit (wtf) or int/spirit in reds. Reforged 1600+ crit into haste. Has 496 sha weapon with 500 int gem. EDIT: I thought he said last night that he was going to be able to do both upgrades to the 496 weapon on Tuesday after LFRs.

I think the plan this week is MSV 10 on Tuesday, hopefully full clear in one night even though we only have 1 ele and 1 will kill thus far. If we can start on time (LOL riiiiight) and don't spend time wiping on ele or will, we might be able to get protectors down also. With or without protectors, I'm thinking we'll be going to HoF on Sunday.

Elite way doesn't affect the DPS too much. It actually affects the healers much more. As there will be a raid wide dot hitting the raid for some hp, and a stacking Dot the warrior places on people, that if left last he will have all 10 people having the debuff before his death. So basically 2 raid wide dots ticking at once. Its mana intensive, plus tank takes big blows to the face.

For 10m.

Disc Priest > Holy Paladin > Druid > Holy priest = Monk > Shaman. (According to fight mechanics, healer mechanics and gear simulations)

Having 1 D. priest or 1 H paladin is almost always a good idea for 2 heal fights.

Also depends how good your other dps is, but windwalker monks are lacking in dps too (Actually now in he PvE and PvP environment monks are behind in all specs lol, good thing im a Masochrist...)

482 ilevel is good. I had no mana problems once I hit 9k spirit. MSV damage is LOW compared to HoF, Terrace, and Heroics. I am only 486? And that is with the BoE 496 gloves crafted and no more blues on me besides bracers.

(For what its worth ---> Ashkongfu, Stormrage is my character)

I gem:

Red: Int/Spirit
Blue: Spirit
Yellow: Spirit/crit

Stats for mistweavers go roughly (2 ways of doing this)
1a. Spirit > Int > haste to 3145 > Crit > Haste > Mastery (10 man)
1b. Spirit > Int > haste to 3145 > Crit > Mastery > Haste (25 man)

2. Int > Spirit to spell hit cap > Crit > Haste to 3145 > mastery > Spirit (This is a new build some monks are trying, by stacking so munch Int/crit to trigger more mana tea procs. [aka using a luck/chance based mana regen vs a constant stream of mana regen from spirit])

HoF (First 2 bosses are 2 healed, third boss is... Well use your own strat. We use 3 healers. 0 tanks. 2 ret paladins tanking garalon [taking the swipe] with the healers and hunter dps (4) running pheramones, 4th boss should be 3 healed if you have strong aoe dps)

 

[Xonim]

Disc Priest > Holy Paladin > Druid > Holy priest = Monk > Shaman. (According to fight mechanics, healer mechanics and gear simulations)

Having 1 D. priest or 1 H paladin is almost always a good idea for 2 heal fights.

Lot of good info in that post, but seeing this.......disc is that good?!?!

I know what I'm doing this weekend.....I gotta get my priest up 😛

I love priest healing, but my priest just doesn't have a profession that I wanted right away, so I haven't leveled it yet. Disc was my favorite but it was so bad in Cata at first that I ended up going holy and never swapped back.

We have a holy paladin in raid, but she's ret on 2 heal fights. Our mistweaver is very bad at any melee dps by his own admission, and being in raid when he tried WW a couple times, he speaks the truth. Our tree druid only pvp's as feral and has no idea how to pve dps. Hence, the paladin ended up going ret...

EDIT: In case you can't tell, I'm in a very casual guild. We actually don't even have enough active people to do a full guild raid, but we bring 3-4 alts from the top raid guild on our server (yay for our raid leader having friends there), who, btw, are better geared as alts than any of my guild's mains. Those of us from my guild have all been in that guild together since vanilla -- except me, I left in TBC for a while to raid in a more progressed guild, and to avoid an ex-officer who was a total douche, came back in WotLK after he quit and that other guild fell apart.

EDIT 2: Since it's out there, my mage is Reeses @ Dark Iron. You're pretty knowledgeable about stuff, suggestions on gemming/reforging/etc are welcomed =)

 

[diesbudt]

Lot of good info in that post, but seeing this.......disc is that good?!?!

I know what I'm doing this weekend.....I gotta get my priest up 😛

I love priest healing, but my priest just doesn't have a profession that I wanted right away, so I haven't leveled it yet. Disc was my favorite but it was so bad in Cata at first that I ended up going holy and never swapped back.

We have a holy paladin in raid, but she's ret on 2 heal fights. Our mistweaver is very bad at any melee dps by his own admission, and being in raid when he tried WW a couple times, he speaks the truth. Our tree druid only pvp's as feral and has no idea how to pve dps. Hence, the paladin ended up going ret...

EDIT: In case you can't tell, I'm in a very casual guild. We actually don't even have enough active people to do a full guild raid, but we bring 3-4 alts from the top raid guild on our server (yay for our raid leader having friends there), who, btw, are better geared as alts than any of my guild's mains. Those of us from my guild have all been in that guild together since vanilla -- except me, I left in TBC for a while to raid in a more progressed guild, and to avoid an ex-officer who was a total douche, came back in WotLK after he quit and that other guild fell apart.

EDIT 2: Since it's out there, my mage is Reeses @ Dark Iron. You're pretty knowledgeable about stuff, suggestions on gemming/reforging/etc are welcomed =)

Yea disc priests mechanics since whatever buff they got, really put them up there. Hpal is always strong, although their aoe healing needs a bit of help, their single target and beacon ability makes them always above par. Druid is fine in 10m, but struggle in 25m, because of more targets yet cannot put more hots beyond X targets because of time. Hpriest and monks kinda or the top of the bottom, with shamans struggling in 10m for whatever reason.

Yea my guild isn't all hardcore... let me clarfy that. The raid group I am in isn't all that hardcore. 12/16, maybe 13-14/16 soon and maybe a heroic Feng kill near future. We have a hardcore raid group in our guild though who I think is now... 10/16H? As I said previously we have 10-11 10 man groups and 1 25 man. (all different players. Not alts/mains)

And I will be glad to give pointers, though my experience with some classes are little-non existant.

My full roster

Ashamarazz - Paladin Lv.90 - Stormrage - Alliance
Ashkongfu - Monk Lv.90 - Stormrage - Alliance
Xyluious - Death Knight Lv. 90 - Stormrage - Alliance
Hypashalash (i think...) - Shaman Lv.86 - Stormrage - Alliance
Ashzaxgirl - Warrior Lv.85 - Stormrage - Alliance
(Rogue, name forgotten) - Rogue Lv.18 - Stormrage - Alliance
Nuzblekgo - Mage Lv.85 - Nathrezim - Horde
Hendi - Warlock Lv.85 - Sargeras - Alliance
Ashzord - Priest Lv.85 - Nathrezim - Alliance
(Druid, name forgotten) - Druid Lv.76 - Nathrezim - Horde
Ashbyo - Hunter Lv.76 - Stormrage - Alliance



To get technical My character list...

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

well, after all my whining i'm starting to get the hang of arcane and doing good damage. still, its not a preferable playing style. recasting rune of power just makes me literally angry every time i have to do it. the damage can be satisfying though. still hoping they tone down the fire nerf, but that appears to be a pipe dream at this point.

oh yeah, i'm built for full haste so I can play frost as my other spec. I basically only use frost for questing. I dont have the frost playstyle down perfectly yet so my dps suffers quite a bit.

and of course, my dk is going along...got him to 469 ilvl right now, gonna get one more piece tonight so I can do the 470 LFR's, lord willing.

 

[Sixguns]

I am looking to start a toon on a hight pop pvp server. I only play horde so is there anybody here on one?

 

[nageov3t]

I am looking to start a toon on a hight pop pvp server. I only play horde so is there anybody here on one?

I'm not, but Illidan is probably your best bet.