At what screen size does a projector become cost effective?

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BurnItDwn

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I kinda agree about the fan noise. My hc3800 is not loud enough to hear most of the time, but you can hear it when your watching 2001 a Space Odyssey during all the breaks in the sound. Of course I often have a fan on anyhow since I am always too hot unless I am in an ice cave.

And it is a real PITA to take the projector down from the mount, replace the bulb, and get it back into place, its a solid few hours work for me at least ...

But anyhow, I think Eug's point is that projectors are not for "everyone."
 

Eug

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ergonomics thing though, that makes very little sense. if you set your stuff up right you don't have to worry about it. majority of people who mount tvs on the wall do it wrong too and put it too high, but they think it's fine.
Mounting TVs high is an ergonomic no-no. I always tell people never to do that, but some people just don't care.

In fact, when I was having my TV cabinet built, the default designs were all much higher platforms for the TVs like regular cabinets. I had them move the TV shelf much, much lower to make it more ergonomic, and I'm so glad I did.

And I don't have the option of building theatre seating, which what a proper ergonomic projector setup should have.

the refocusing thing i don't get either. i've never had to refocus my projector in the nearly 3 years i've owned it. it's not like it is moved or throw distances change, it's in the same spot now as it was before.
You're lucky.

the fan noise is negligible too. do you watch movies/tv with the volume at a whisper? if not, then the noise won't bother you because you won't hear it over your speakers.
Not everyone watches shoot-em-up type action movies all the time. We like to watch dramas and TV and whatever, too. And even if you watch an action movie, it's not as if the action starts at the beginning and ends at the end. People actually put dialogue into action movies, you know. ;)

You can mask a screen if you find it toobig, you cannot make it bigger.
The main reason I'm getting of the projector setup (eventually) is not because it is too big (even though I find it a bit big). It's because projector setups are a hassle, with several disadvantages.

I kinda agree about the fan noise. My hc3800 is not loud enough to hear most of the time, but you can hear it when your watching 2001 a Space Odyssey during all the breaks in the sound. Of course I often have a fan on anyhow since I am always too hot unless I am in an ice cave.

And it is a real PITA to take the projector down from the mount, replace the bulb, and get it back into place, its a solid few hours work for me at least ...

But anyhow, I think Eug's point is that projectors are not for "everyone."
The bolded sums it up best.

I think a lot of home theatre geeks like us push the advantages of projectors, but too often gloss over all the disadvantages. Those disadvantages are enough for me to go back to TV over projectors, given my personal preferences, etc. and given the lower cost of big TVs these days compared to a decade ago.
 

ControlD

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You guys aren't making it easy for a person that obsesses over tech purchases at the best of times.
 

purbeast0

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You guys aren't making it easy for a person that obsesses over tech purchases at the best of times.

best advice i can give you is to go find people on AVS who have projectors you are interested in and ask them if you can go see them. that is exactly what i did. i even brought my xbox 360 over there, street fighter 4, and my joystick, so i could test it out, in game mode, with the same setup i would have at home.

the guy was completely cool about it all and was just as interested in all the nerdy stuff as i was.

i was picky about what i wanted due to input lag and actually testing it out myself, with hands on time, was what sold me. there really was no other better test.
 

ControlD

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I am really liking the looks of the Epson HC2045 right now. Also, Best Buy has a $200 gift card deal if you purchase from them. That makes it pretty appealing. I need to figure out how to ceiling mount the thing though as it has an odd throw ratio and will have to be at least 12" down from the ceiling. It does do 2D->3D conversion which would be neat and gets pretty good reviews. The $99 replacement lamp cost is pretty appealing as well.

It's too bad there aren't more LED options available. The LG PF1500 looks OK but not great for more money.

I really need to stop reading threads at AVS or Projector Central. You need to paint the walls and ceiling black, etc. I had darned near convinced myself to just go buy a 70" Vizio and be done with it at some point, but I suppose most of those people are perfectionists.
 

sdifox

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I am really liking the looks of the Epson HC2045 right now. Also, Best Buy has a $200 gift card deal if you purchase from them. That makes it pretty appealing. I need to figure out how to ceiling mount the thing though as it has an odd throw ratio and will have to be at least 12" down from the ceiling. It does do 2D->3D conversion which would be neat and gets pretty good reviews. The $99 replacement lamp cost is pretty appealing as well.

It's too bad there aren't more LED options available. The LG PF1500 looks OK but not great for more money.

I really need to stop reading threads at AVS or Projector Central. You need to paint the walls and ceiling black, etc. I had darned near convinced myself to just go buy a 70" Vizio and be done with it at some point, but I suppose most of those people are perfectionists.

no, most of them are nuts. You do what you want to do, no more. Do you have a very low ceiling? a foot is not a big deal in normal height basements since you usually have either ceiling tiles or drywall beneath the joists anyway so that is usually about a foot.
 

slag

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I am really liking the looks of the Epson HC2045 right now. Also, Best Buy has a $200 gift card deal if you purchase from them. That makes it pretty appealing. I need to figure out how to ceiling mount the thing though as it has an odd throw ratio and will have to be at least 12" down from the ceiling. It does do 2D->3D conversion which would be neat and gets pretty good reviews. The $99 replacement lamp cost is pretty appealing as well.

It's too bad there aren't more LED options available. The LG PF1500 looks OK but not great for more money.

I really need to stop reading threads at AVS or Projector Central. You need to paint the walls and ceiling black, etc. I had darned near convinced myself to just go buy a 70" Vizio and be done with it at some point, but I suppose most of those people are perfectionists.


Midwest USA is your location. What area area are you near?
 

ControlD

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no, most of them are nuts. You do what you want to do, no more. Do you have a low ceiling?

Not super low, just a bit under 8'. I think it is right around 7'9" or so. If I am reading the calculator correctly at the Epson site that will put my projector at about 6'9" for a 100" screen starting 8" down from the ceiling and 3 feet up from the floor. I think that seems reasonable.

It looks like the Epson mount will work as it simply takes a piece of threaded 1.5" pipe for an extension.
 

sdifox

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Not super low, just a bit under 8'. I think it is right around 7'9" or so. If I am reading the calculator correctly at the Epson site that will put my projector at about 6'9" for a 100" screen starting 8" down from the ceiling and 3 feet up from the floor. I think that seems reasonable.

It looks like the Epson mount will work as it simply takes a piece of threaded 1.5" pipe for an extension.

most mounts come with extension anyway. and if you need more, add plywood or add a hushbox to it.

http://www.modernhometheater.com/howto/hushbox/index.shtml


I really want an IB sub, but I don't even have my HT setup :(

something like this

http://www.jonathanfoulkes.com/Home_Theater/Speakers/IBSub.htm
 
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ControlD

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most mounts come with extension anyway. and if you need more, add plywood or add a hushbox to it.

http://www.modernhometheater.com/howto/hushbox/index.shtml

It seems like most mounts are with the option to mount the projector relatively flush (5-6 inches) or with an extension (15+inches). It doesn't seem like there are many with small extensions. But, like you said a DIY approach can take care of that.
 

purbeast0

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I am really liking the looks of the Epson HC2045 right now. Also, Best Buy has a $200 gift card deal if you purchase from them. That makes it pretty appealing. I need to figure out how to ceiling mount the thing though as it has an odd throw ratio and will have to be at least 12" down from the ceiling. It does do 2D->3D conversion which would be neat and gets pretty good reviews. The $99 replacement lamp cost is pretty appealing as well.

It's too bad there aren't more LED options available. The LG PF1500 looks OK but not great for more money.

I really need to stop reading threads at AVS or Projector Central. You need to paint the walls and ceiling black, etc. I had darned near convinced myself to just go buy a 70" Vizio and be done with it at some point, but I suppose most of those people are perfectionists.

i don't know if you saw my picture in the other thread of yours i posted in, but i too had to mount my projector either 10 or 12 inches (just dont remember exactly) lower than the mount because i had to get under a beam/duct. i used a plumbers 1" nipple pipe as the extension that i bought locally for about $8. it was the normal grayish metal color and i just spray painted it black. turned out great imo.

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ControlD

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i don't know if you saw my picture in the other thread of yours i posted in, but i too had to mount my projector either 10 or 12 inches (just dont remember exactly) lower than the mount because i had to get under a beam/duct. i used either a plumbers 1" nipple pipe as the extension that i bought locally for about $8. it was the normal grayish metal color and i just spray painted it black. turned out great imo.

That looks great!

What mount are you using there?
 

SLU Aequitas

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I really need to stop reading threads at AVS or Projector Central. You need to paint the walls and ceiling black, etc. I had darned near convinced myself to just go buy a 70" Vizio and be done with it at some point, but I suppose most of those people are perfectionists.

Never.Stop.Reading. Dedicated Theater Construction subforum is like heroin for me :awe:

I will say that I've learned so much from there it's ridiculous, and while my theater isn't going to match a lot of what's shown over there, I've definitely seen the benefit of following their advice.
 

ControlD

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Never.Stop.Reading. Dedicated Theater Construction subforum is like heroin for me :awe:

I will say that I've learned so much from there it's ridiculous, and while my theater isn't going to match a lot of what's shown over there, I've definitely seen the benefit of following their advice.

lol, yeah I hear you.

If I were single then perhaps I could go about painting the room black and really geeking out on this project. As it is, I sort of have to keep this project as simple as I can. I just don't want to end up getting all this stuff installed and then thinking "Meh, I should have just slapped a Vizio on the wall". :biggrin:
 

sdifox

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lol, yeah I hear you.

If I were single then perhaps I could go about painting the room black and really geeking out on this project. As it is, I sort of have to keep this project as simple as I can. I just don't want to end up getting all this stuff installed and then thinking "Meh, I should have just slapped a Vizio on the wall". :biggrin:

motorised ceiling mount for Vizio :awe:
 

purbeast0

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also, as far as the wall paint, light vs. dark makes a BIG difference. if you look at the pics of mine that i posted, the entire room previously was that yellow color with a white ceiling. i tested out the projector when it was like that. compared to how it looks now with the dark red, the contrast difference is HUGE.

you don't always have to paint it jet black, but anything darker than a light colored wall will definitely help with contrast. wife and i looked at dark red and blue colors and we liked the red. best part is that everything ended up kind of being redskins colors lol.
 

SLU Aequitas

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No need to paint jet black (disclaimer: my ceiling is flat mouse ears black and my screen wall will be DMD black fabric), just something darker.
 

ControlD

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So, if the ceiling is white does that pretty much rule out using a projector then? This is an existing ceiling that I am 99% certain will not be getting painted unless I can find an airless sprayer and make everyone move out for a day or so.

The walls will be white wainscoting on the bottom three feet with drywall the rest of the way up. The drywall for sure will not be white, it will be something darker.
 

sdifox

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So, if the ceiling is white does that pretty much rule out using a projector then? This is an existing ceiling that I am 99% certain will not be getting painted unless I can find an airless sprayer and make everyone move out for a day or so.

The walls will be white wainscoting on the bottom three feet with drywall the rest of the way up. The drywall for sure will not be white, it will be something darker.

no it doesn't rule out projector.
 

Kaido

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Mounting TVs high is an ergonomic no-no. I always tell people never to do that, but some people just don't care.

I've never understood this. I have a lot of friends who mount their flat-screens above their fireplace. You're basically staring at a 45-degree angle just to watch a show. It's uncomfortable :thumbsdown:
 

Kaido

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So, if the ceiling is white does that pretty much rule out using a projector then? This is an existing ceiling that I am 99% certain will not be getting painted unless I can find an airless sprayer and make everyone move out for a day or so.

The walls will be white wainscoting on the bottom three feet with drywall the rest of the way up. The drywall for sure will not be white, it will be something darker.

Not at all. It helps to have a darker room & stuff, but it's not essential. In my basement, I have a drop ceiling with white popcorn tiles. No worries. It's easy to obsess over details, but it all depends on your budget & how much effort you want to put in. At some point, you'll just want to say "screw it" & enjoy the setup :biggrin:
 

ControlD

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Not at all. It helps to have a darker room & stuff, but it's not essential. In my basement, I have a drop ceiling with white popcorn tiles. No worries. It's easy to obsess over details, but it all depends on your budget & how much effort you want to put in. At some point, you'll just want to say "screw it" & enjoy the setup :biggrin:

Thanks. That's what I need to hear!

I think I'm going to go ahead and order the projector while that $200 gift card deal is still going.