At this point it's just plain sickening...

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Obama is a socialist, which is just a communist without a full fledged dictatorship anyway.

For about the 100th time, Obama is a socialist.

If you don't believe that you would have to be exceedingly ignorant, exceedingly stupid, or exceedingly dishonest. I'll let you figure out which one fits.

He plans to redistribute wealth and it will be a combination of Communism, Marxism and Socialism.

You are a prevaricator.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Duwelon
The USA is a socialist country.

congrats. you just won the "biggest idiot of the forum" award!

Wait. There's an ongoing competition for this award. He needs to get in line.

Harsh words from the flag burning crowd.

so anyone who doesnt wrongfully think that America is a socialist country is part of the "flag burning crowd"?

and what are you trying to say there anyways?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Duwelon


The only claiming Obama isn't a socialist is YOU, I have to think you're just trying to decieve people at this point. Obama is the definition of a socialist. He wants to "spread the wealth around", is for socialized medicine, XYZ. He's a socialist, if you're so sure he isn't and you want to actually argue against the grain, then back it up with some actual evidence...

Hold it pal. Obama being in favor of reviving the middle class in this country, something that used to exist back in the 50's and 60's is not tantamount to running up the flag of socialism. It's John McCain, or more likely his cronies since John gave of thinking for himself some time ago, who are trying to get some windage from the socialist branding attempt on Obama. Shifting the tax burden from poorer Americans toward affluent Americans is certainly spreading the wealth around but using that to tar and feather Obama is deranged and unconscionable. If there's one thing the Republicans better do after the thrashing they are going to suffer in one week it's try to find their conscience. If they fail to do that, they are trash.

Conservatives forget that folks who have a piece of the pie tend to become more conservative. Decades of strangling the middle class and transferring an ever greater share of the wealth produced in this country to the very wealthy has the opposite effect - people see that they aren't getting their piece of the action and begin to see the benefits of liberalism.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Duwelon


The only claiming Obama isn't a socialist is YOU, I have to think you're just trying to decieve people at this point. Obama is the definition of a socialist. He wants to "spread the wealth around", is for socialized medicine, XYZ. He's a socialist, if you're so sure he isn't and you want to actually argue against the grain, then back it up with some actual evidence...

Hold it pal. Obama being in favor of reviving the middle class in this country, something that used to exist back in the 50's and 60's is not tantamount to running up the flag of socialism. It's John McCain, or more likely his cronies since John gave of thinking for himself some time ago, who are trying to get some windage from the socialist branding attempt on Obama. Shifting the tax burden from poorer Americans toward affluent Americans is certainly spreading the wealth around but using that to tar and feather Obama is deranged and unconscionable. If there's one thing the Republicans better do after the thrashing they are going to suffer in one week it's try to find their conscience. If they fail to do that, they are trash.

Conservatives forget that folks who have a piece of the pie tend to become more conservative. Decades of strangling the middle class and transferring an ever greater share of the wealth produced in this country to the very wealthy has the opposite effect - people see that they aren't getting their piece of the action and begin to see the benefits of liberalism.

Alan Greenspan famously confessed a few days ago that he was very wrong in his laissez faire economic policies, thinking that the economy would self correct with deregulatory policies in effect. He said he's watched the recent meltdown with a mixture of horror and shock. He'd obviously adopt a far different course if he had another chance. Of course, there's no backtracking possible now, we have to go on. But we can change course. There's going to be much tighter control of the banking industry from here forward. The right wing nut jobs can call it socialism, but more balanced people will recognize it as realism given human nature in the scheme of things.

 

[villageidiot111]

What is wrong with socialism? There are already tons of socialized programs in the US. The last time I checked education, public transportation, the post office, and many other programs were already socialized.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

I can't vote for either of them, but if i could it would be Obama, a man who will help our cause here on the border of Pakistan.

I know you piss all over the constitution, troops and all of that just like Bush has done, but Obama has stated, and was critisised for stating that he will be on US so we can eradicate the Taliban, something Bush obviously never wanted to do, nor does McCain want to do it, he wants to "Sit down and talk with our ally" an ally that has made pecae treties with our enemy and the ISI that has fought us and got pretty fucking dead tryiing.

Who the fuck are you you little twat?

Sorry, only brainwashed socialists give a flying fuck what a Brit or anyone who lives outside the US thinks about MY upcoming election. Iraq isn't your war, it's ours. Like the rest of the world you don't really give a rats ass about anything unless it affects you directly. No principles, no balls. Sadly the US is falling into that mindset....isolationism unless attacked directly, and even so it's better to throw lawyers at them than bullets. Forget about the root cause of it, throw a band-aid on the problem.

When I say "you", I mean European governments, not you personally. I really do appreciate what you're doing, even if you come back to flame me and call me "son", "cupcake", or any other smartass reply.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Duwelon


The only claiming Obama isn't a socialist is YOU, I have to think you're just trying to decieve people at this point. Obama is the definition of a socialist. He wants to "spread the wealth around", is for socialized medicine, XYZ. He's a socialist, if you're so sure he isn't and you want to actually argue against the grain, then back it up with some actual evidence...

Hold it pal. Obama being in favor of reviving the middle class in this country, something that used to exist back in the 50's and 60's is not tantamount to running up the flag of socialism. It's John McCain, or more likely his cronies since John gave of thinking for himself some time ago, who are trying to get some windage from the socialist branding attempt on Obama. Shifting the tax burden from poorer Americans toward affluent Americans is certainly spreading the wealth around (also called a redistribution) but using that to tar and feather Obama is deranged and unconscionable. If there's one thing the Republicans better do after the thrashing they are going to suffer in one week it's try to find their conscience. If they fail to do that, they are trash.

Giving anymore tax credits to people who don't even pay taxes is....disgusting. The principle of taxing rich/wealthy people's income even MORE in order to give breaks to those who "need" it is wrong. It's just not right on a principle level. The gov't can just come in and say "hey you, you make a shit ton of money....people need that more than you so hand it over" is complete BS.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Duwelon


The only claiming Obama isn't a socialist is YOU, I have to think you're just trying to decieve people at this point. Obama is the definition of a socialist. He wants to "spread the wealth around", is for socialized medicine, XYZ. He's a socialist, if you're so sure he isn't and you want to actually argue against the grain, then back it up with some actual evidence...

Hold it pal. Obama being in favor of reviving the middle class in this country, something that used to exist back in the 50's and 60's is not tantamount to running up the flag of socialism. It's John McCain, or more likely his cronies since John gave of thinking for himself some time ago, who are trying to get some windage from the socialist branding attempt on Obama. Shifting the tax burden from poorer Americans toward affluent Americans is certainly spreading the wealth around but using that to tar and feather Obama is deranged and unconscionable. If there's one thing the Republicans better do after the thrashing they are going to suffer in one week it's try to find their conscience. If they fail to do that, they are trash.

Conservatives forget that folks who have a piece of the pie tend to become more conservative. Decades of strangling the middle class and transferring an ever greater share of the wealth produced in this country to the very wealthy has the opposite effect - people see that they aren't getting their piece of the action and begin to see the benefits of liberalism.

An excellent observation on the human psyche.:thumbsup:

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Duwelon


The only claiming Obama isn't a socialist is YOU, I have to think you're just trying to decieve people at this point. Obama is the definition of a socialist. He wants to "spread the wealth around", is for socialized medicine, XYZ. He's a socialist, if you're so sure he isn't and you want to actually argue against the grain, then back it up with some actual evidence...

Hold it pal. Obama being in favor of reviving the middle class in this country, something that used to exist back in the 50's and 60's is not tantamount to running up the flag of socialism. It's John McCain, or more likely his cronies since John gave of thinking for himself some time ago, who are trying to get some windage from the socialist branding attempt on Obama. Shifting the tax burden from poorer Americans toward affluent Americans is certainly spreading the wealth around (also called a redistribution) but using that to tar and feather Obama is deranged and unconscionable. If there's one thing the Republicans better do after the thrashing they are going to suffer in one week it's try to find their conscience. If they fail to do that, they are trash.

Giving anymore tax credits to people who don't even pay taxes is....disgusting. The principle of taxing rich/wealthy people's income even MORE in order to give breaks to those who "need" it is wrong. It's just not right on a principle level. The gov't can just come in and say "hey you, you make a shit ton of money....people need that more than you so hand it over" is complete BS.

No, what's complete BS is your post. You feign disgust, but it's phoney. The rich are paying less than the non-rich under GWB's tax policies, and McCain would perpetuate that. The GOP's giving the tax breaks to the wealthy and they intend to do more of that, not less. Taxation is always, has always been, always will be a tradeoff. You can call an adjustment "wrong," but it's just rhetoric. You talke about "principle," but it's just another empty illogical ruse. Given your rhetoric I have to assume that you are on the other side of the fence, the fence between the haves and the have nots, which has been getting higher and higher in America for the last 40 years or so.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Muse
The rich are paying less than the non-rich under GWB's tax policies

Rich guys wife's tax return

Okay, now its time for you to put up or shut up.

 

[Red Dawn]

Fellow Republican says Mccain ran a disgraceful campaign.
Not only that but Romney and McCains fellow Arizona Senator believe McCain's lost his election.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Muse
The rich are paying less than the non-rich under GWB's tax policies

Rich guys wife's tax return

Okay, now its time for you to put up or shut up.

It appears to me that Cindy McCain paid about a million dollars tax on about 4 million gross income. That's about 25%. I'm not a tax expert but I heard that someone (small business owner in this case) making about 1/16th of that (quarter million) is paying 36% tax. Seems to me that Cindy's making out like a bandit. Then again, someone as high profile as McCain's wife isn't as likely as under-the-radar richies to find the loopholes that GWB and company have weaseled into their tax system. I'm not conversant in the details, admittedly I'm taking the word of people, but these aren't just the Democrats whose word I'm taking for it, but independent fact checkers.