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[AT]NVIDIA G-Sync Review

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dpodblood said:
Can someone explain to me why TN panels get hated on so much? The average TN is going to have much better response time than the average IPS which means it's better for gaming. Colors may not be re-produced accurately, but if you're not doing photo editing I don't see why that matters as long as the image looks good. The only other issue I'm aware of it viewing angles which shouldn't matter at all when your sitting 2-3 feet from the display.
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Its all about the colour shift(viewing angles),as the colours tn vs ips is way overblown believe me.
 
blackened23 said:
Here's what I don't get.....a lot of AMD fans have a tendency to automatically to don the tin foil hat and cry conspiracy, sabotage or bias as soon as they perceive something as not being positive for their company. I seriously don't get it.
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I could care less if it's something bad about AMD. The bolded parts of the quotes are pointless and do not belong in the article for any other purpose other than to cause a sensational reaction.

Why would they include them? Nothing is lost of those bolded parts are removed. Well nothing except language that smacks of bias. It's the Nvidia Gsync Review article, not the Nvidia Gsync and veiled attempts at trash talking AMD article.

I wanted news about the Gsync module and how it performs. Instead I got, "OMG this thing is awesome compared to 25fps 60hz." Then a small blurb, if you have decent fps and 120hz it's not worth it."

Obviously since this is such a new technology they need to form some sort of testing methodology. There obviously wasn't one in place here.

Really just an overall disappointing article overall. Poor wording, lack of relevant information, no testing methodology, and a complete failure to thoroughly test it against it's true competition (high fps 120/144hz).
 
OCGuy said:
Seems fairly clear that this is the way to go for the future. From Forbes:



"Two hours later, after running my own G-Sync demo (on my own terms, with my own selection of games), I adamantly swore off gaming on anything but a G-Sync monitor, regardless of its size or resolution. The differences are that extreme. In fact, I’ll go on record and predict that this single technology will decisively win Nvidia the desktop GPU race within 5 years unless somehow it gets licensed out to AMD. Once you see it for yourself, you’ll never go back."


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...-nvidias-g-sync-technology-is-truly-next-gen/
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Pricing in the short term will be hurdle, but there are enough die hard fans out there who don't mind TN panels and 1080p...so adoption should be good enough that in the future more and more panels get rolled out and the luxury tax of having a G-Sync module will diminish. Nonetheless, that is a very favorable review. Anand basically had the same impressions, but did not go so far as to say AMD was doomed since it may be possible for another vendor to come in and make it universal. With patents how they are today, I don't know what type of patents if any Nvidia has, but I'd be surprised if they weren't awarded some type of patent for G-Sync.
 
OCGuy said:
Seems fairly clear that this is the way to go for the future. From Forbes:



"Two hours later, after running my own G-Sync demo (on my own terms, with my own selection of games), I adamantly swore off gaming on anything but a G-Sync monitor, regardless of its size or resolution. The differences are that extreme. In fact, I’ll go on record and predict that this single technology will decisively win Nvidia the desktop GPU race within 5 years unless somehow it gets licensed out to AMD. Once you see it for yourself, you’ll never go back."


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...-nvidias-g-sync-technology-is-truly-next-gen/
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It is all going to come down to availability. My next monitor won't be any smaller than 1440p, and I'd much prefer 4K. I don't even have an Nvidia GPU atm, but that changes every other year or so. >_>
 
ComputerGuy2006 said:
Also wasnt this g-sync supposed to be either able to reduce/eliminate the tearing OR able to do something similar to lightboost?

Personally tearing does not bother me nearly as much as ghosting.
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Carmack mentioned that once you get your FPS high enough, you will be able to play around with the persistence.

Don't ask me to explain it because I can't, but he was high on it.

1:30 in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbW9IwVGpX8
 
Teizo said:
Pricing in the short term will be hurdle, but there are enough die hard fans out there who don't mind TN panels and 1080p...so adoption should be good enough that in the future more and more panels get rolled out and the luxury tax of having a G-Sync module will diminish. Nonetheless, that is a very favorable review. Anand basically had the same impressions, but did not go so far as to say AMD was doomed since it may be possible for another vendor to come in and make it universal. With patents how they are today, I don't know what type of patents if any Nvidia has, but I'd be surprised if they weren't awarded some type of patent for G-Sync.
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Pretty much every review showing up on the Googles right now is more positive than anything I have read about a NV desktop product since the 8800GT.

Can't wait to read [H]'s review.


Nvidia G-Sync Technology Preview - Quite literally a Game Changer http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/g-sync-v-sync-monitor,3699.html




"In lieu of an easy visual method to show how effective G-SYNC is, we’ll just have to write about it. Luckily, G-SYNC can be summed up in one word—impressive" - http://hothardware.com/Reviews/NVIDIA-GSYNC-Display-Technology-Explored/?page=3
 
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dpodblood said:
Can someone explain to me why TN panels get hated on so much? The average TN is going to have much better response time than the average IPS which means it's better for gaming. Colors may not be re-produced accurately, but if you're not doing photo editing I don't see why that matters as long as the image looks good. The only other issue I'm aware of it viewing angles which shouldn't matter at all when your sitting 2-3 feet from the display.
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Sit a TN and a good IPS side by side and it's obvious. TN looks like total garbage; washed out and grainy. They scream low budget. Buying anything TN is like picking up one of those trash can HDTVs with a brand name you've never heard of for a couple hundred bucks compared to a good IPS which is like sitting down in front of a Kuro Elite. The IQ of a good IPS is a whole other league beyond TN.
 
Grooveriding said:
Sit a TN and a good IPS side by side and it's obvious. TN looks like total garbage; washed out and grainy. They scream low budget. Buying anything TN is like picking up one of those trash can HDTVs with a brand name you've never heard of for a couple hundred bucks compared to a good IPS which is like sitting down in front of a Kuro Elite. The IQ of a good IPS is a whole other league beyond TN.
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Hey groove tns have move on...,i agree with you they are garbage though,how many years ago did you experience one.colur shift.:S
 
Guys, Let's keep this thread on topic and tone down the language. I am getting close to handing out infractions to the offenders if this continues.

-Rvenger
 
Why should I be forced into a cheap TN unit if I want G-Sync? Yes better displays will show up, but either way it's obviously relevant to this discussion. Are we not discussing displays here?
 
AnandThenMan said:
Why should I be forced into a cheap TN unit if I want G-Sync? Yes better displays will show up, but either way it's obviously relevant to this discussion. Are we not discussing displays here?
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Were you ever planning on buying a G-Sync monitor anyway?

IPS G-Sync monitors are coming out soon enough. TN monitors offer the most cost effective solution in the short term. During the adoption phase, that makes the most sense for the display manufacturers due to the R&D costs of implementing them into IPS displays.

Nontheless, manufacturers offering them on TN displays has nothing to do with what the technology does itself, especially since it is clearly stated 1440p IPS G-Sync displays are on the horizon.
 
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Teizo said:
Were you ever planning on buying a G-Sync monitor anyway?
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If the tech shows up in a 4k monitor in the next 6-8 months then yes I will strongly consider it. But no way I spend the money on a TN monitor@1080, such a thing is basically obsolete in my view.
96Firebird said:
You aren't being forced into anything... 😕
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You know exactly what I mean (not to mention read exactly what I posted), don't argue just for the sake of arguing. If I want G-Sync now, that is my choice.
 
My bet is that the industry will come up with an open standard that any video card can use. There is no magic in G-Sync. It's a novel use of what is already part of the spec.

Things that kill it for me

1) Launch with TN panels. This debate is about image quality so I'm not gaining some to give up some by going to TN. IPS is also not the greatest panel tech. The black levels are atrocious.

2)Full screen only. I rarely run in full screen because I alt+tab a lot when gaming. Some games are ridiculously slow to alt+tab in full screen. As such, I run almost everything in windowed or borderless.

3) My gear is more than enough to keep the frames above 60 most games. If it's dogging that much I will just drop the IQ. There have been several comparisons on recent games between ultra, high, med, etc. In a lot of instances. ultra takes a huge performance hit for an indistinguishable increase in visual quality. I have no inherent need to always run in ultra. I'm sure there are people out there that tie their personal worth to the IQ settings they can run, but I'm not one.

Anyways that is my 2 cents. Personally my next monitor will be the Eizo Foris FG2421.
 
Teizo said:
Were you ever planning on buying a G-Sync monitor anyway?

IPS G-Sync monitors are coming out soon enough. TN monitors offer the most cost effective solution in the short term. During the adoption phase, that makes the most sense for the display manufacturers due to the R&D costs of implementing them into IPS displays.

Nontheless, manufacturers offering them on TN displays has nothing to do with what the technology does itself, especially since it is clearly stated 1440p IPS G-Sync displays are on the horizon.
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Not really on the horizon, more on the other side of the globe. But, eventually we'll see them, but at the dragging pace with gsync by that time there may be a universal standard anyways. I mostly think the announcement of gsync was rushed, just one company's marketing to counter another's. AMD came out with Mantle announcements early, and nvidia wanted to rush out one of their own.

We have one crappy Asus TN screen announced for the middle of next year and confirmation of Asus having some sort of exclusivity on gsync enabled monitors till late next year. My guess is IPS+Gsync will be seen in 2015 with those schedules in place.

I was excited about gsync, but reading Anand's review, it seems not a big deal if you have serious GPU hardware and never go below 60FPS already. Certainly not worth stepping down from a quality screen and high resolution to a crappy screen and middling resolution.

Once gsync gets out of its infancy late next year or 2015 it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out and what other standards come out to do the same thing it does from other parties.
 
Despoiler said:
Is it they are too hard to please or others are too easy?
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When one side is crying because their viewing angles aren't 178 degrees (an angle at which you would never be realistically viewing your monitor from), I'd say they are too hard to please. The color reproduction is also silly for 99.9% of monitor users. "It doesn't support 100% of Adobe RGB scale! Despite doing nothing that requires that, this monitor is garbage and I can't use it for my AT V&G browsing!"
 
I don't see why wanting a quality display is "hard to please". A monitor is a good investment, something you typically keep over many GPU purchases. Also if people think G-Sync and the monitor it comes with now is good, then fine buy one! I'd love to have some user feedback not just reviews.
 
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AnandThenMan said:
I don't see why wanting a quality display is "hard to please". A monitor is a good investment, something you typically keep over many GPU purchases. Also if people think G-Sync and the monitor it comes with now is good, then fine buy one! I'd love to have some user feedback not just reviews.
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I just think you've invented or "found" something to complain about regarding G-Sync and you're trying to capitalize on that. You don't have to do anything you don't want to. You can pretend TN panels are that much inferior to IPS panels, but we know better. And I'm fairly certain G-sync will be offered on at least ONE IPS panel. I mean is there any reason to think there wont be?
Can you keep it real?
 
Keysplayr said:
I just think you've invented or "found" something to complain about regarding G-Sync and you're trying to capitalize on that.
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Not necessary and contributes nothing to this thread.

I've said very clearly I am interested in what G-Sync is all about I think it's the natural progression in display tech, but I want it in a display that I can keep for at least a few years, and a 1080 TN panel is not that.
 
smackababy said:
When one side is crying because their viewing angles aren't 178 degrees (an angle at which you would never be realistically viewing your monitor from), I'd say they are too hard to please. The color reproduction is also silly for 99.9% of monitor users. "It doesn't support 100% of Adobe RGB scale! Despite doing nothing that requires that, this monitor is garbage and I can't use it for my AT V&G browsing!"
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But now you're just focusing on one spec to try and make the difference between TN and IPS seem insignificant. It's the full combination of IPS' superiority such as viewing angles, colour depth, brightness, contrast, 8/10bit support etc. that all combined deliver the premium and superior experience. You put one of each side by side with the same image and the IPS just crushes the TN, you can't miss the stark inferiority of the TN panel.

Going from TN to a great IPS is like going from a mechanical hard drive to an SSD; you just don't go back. It's like going from a car back to a horse and buggy. IPS/VA was a game changer when I did that upgrade and then 2560x1600 from 1200p was doubly so.

It's a superior experience.
 
AnandThenMan said:
Not necessary and contributes nothing to this thread.

I've said very clearly I am interested in what G-Sync is all about I think it's the natural progression in display tech, but I want it in a display that I can keep for at least a few years, and a 1080 TN panel is not that.
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You also, somehow got the idea that you will be forced to buy a 1080p TN panel with Gsync. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything. It is great you want this new technology (or at least application of existing technology) on an IPS panel. Currently, there is only one monitor available and it happens to be TN. So, rather than trying to claim the sky is falling, why not just wait for an IPS.

And, if you think about it, the application of this is moving quite fast. How long ago was it Nvidia announced this? And we have reviewable units months later.
 
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