AT members choice: GTX 680 or 7970 (ghz) ?

[Ferzerp]

Yes, they make perfectly wonderful gpu products for resolutions where single gpus are enough. Typically, it's a toss up who will win each generation there, but it makes no difference. nvidia always wins where it matters for a company: sales. I'm sure they'll eventually figure out the ms issue for cfx too.

But yes, on the cpu side, they're kind of a joke.

 

[Rvenger]

An opinion poll is now a fact? If this poll ran at geforce.com would you expect the same result?

The steam survey tracks actual ownership and that is a fact.

Yeah ownership clearly states the card is better. Please... Many gamers that own both parties don't even use steam.


I bet many of the members on that poll don't even post in VC&G and could very well be lurkers. Like I said earlier, if you would have asked me in June, I would have put Nvidia on the above poll. My last sentence seems to go transparent to people who don't want to hear the truth. Its obvious that you give AMD zero credit for putting up a good fight with Nvidia this year. Even for people that are traditionally partial to Nvidia, they will commend AMD for having a good product which I fail to see any of this or any value in your posts. They are both great products and I hope they continue the competition next year as well.

 

[Will Robinson]

Some of these replies remind me of Karl Rove on election night as the winner became obvious to everyone else...but,but,but..."they musta stole it"!!!!

 

[Phynaz]

680, lower power consumption and Cuda would do it for me.

 

[MTDEW]

AMD has really come a long way the last few years with drivers and the ability to do specific game profiles.
Which i imagine over the years has turned the "nvidia fanboys" against AMD/ATI since their earlier drivers were lacking and the lack of simple basic features such as the ability to create game specific profiles probably made many users decide to never try AMD/ATI again and go back to Nvidia and never look back.
AMD/ATI is simply still paying the price for poor drivers and features in the past.
So, like it or not, it is AMD/ATI's fault there are "Nvidia fanboys" who will never again try AMD GPU's to begin with.

The only current thing Nvidia has as an advantage vs raw performance over AMD IMO is Nvidia Inspector allowing for fine adjustments to squeeze the absolute most performance out of the hardware.
Radeon Pro and AMD's limited AA options cannot compare.

With that said, im not biased either way, Im running AMD/x-fire in my main rig, but my wifes gtx 470 sure has hung in there pretty well over the yrs with the available Nvidia tweaking options. (i've honestly been surprised by how well tweaking the nvidia card helps)

I just hope AMD has the time/resources left to win over Nvidia fans and have everyone see them as an equal competitor to Nvidia instead of the always being seen as the "underdog".
But its going to take as many years of this commitment to be seen as equal to Nvidia GPU's as it took to create the "2nd tier GPU's" to Nvidia's mentality to begin with.
But who knows if AMD has that much time to turn things around.

This poll certainly proves they are on the right track. :thumbsup:
I just hope its not too late.

 

[Final8ty]

AMD has really come a long way the last few years with drivers and the ability to do specific game profiles.
Which i imagine over the years has turned the "nvidia fanboys" against AMD/ATI since their earlier drivers were lacking and the lack of simple basic features such as the ability to create game specific profiles probably made many users decide to never try AMD/ATI again and go back to Nvidia and never look back.
AMD/ATI is simply still paying the price for poor drivers and features in the past.
So, like it or not, it is AMD/ATI's fault there are "Nvidia fanboys" who will never again try AMD GPU's to begin with.

The only current thing Nvidia has as an advantage vs raw performance over AMD IMO is Nvidia Inspector allowing for fine adjustments to squeeze the absolute most performance out of the hardware.
Radeon Pro and AMD's limited AA options cannot compare.

With that said, im not biased either way, Im running AMD/x-fire in my main rig, but my wifes gtx 470 sure has hung in there pretty well over the yrs with the available Nvidia tweaking options. (i've honestly been surprised by how well tweaking the nvidia card helps)

I just hope AMD has the time/resources left to win over Nvidia fans and have everyone see them as an equal competitor to Nvidia instead of the always being seen as the "underdog".
But its going to take as many years of this commitment to be seen as equal to Nvidia GPU's as it took to create the "2nd tier GPU's" to Nvidia's mentality to begin with.
But who knows if AMD has that much time to turn things around.

This poll certainly proves they are on the right track. :thumbsup:
I just hope its not too late.

Nvidia Inspector is a 3rd party program just like Radeon Pro, so take them both out of the equation when it comes to what NV and AMD offer themselves.
I personally don't use either of them.

 

[MTDEW]

Nvidia Inspector is a 3rd party program just like Radeon Pro, so take them both out of the equation when it comes to what NV and AMD offer themselves.
I personally don't use either of them.

Although i'm sure we all agree that similar programs should be offered by AMD and Nvidia and not just as 3rd party "tweaks".
The fact is they do exist and nvidia inspector is very useful and widely used is undeniable.

But i honestly dont want to derail the topic and poll.

AMD is simply currently doing a great job(see poll results) and making me wanna upgrade although i know i shouldnt.

I own two 6970's in x-fire and dont need to upgrade, but man i want a pair of 7970's.
I sure wouldn't refuse them if she sees this thread and grabs me a pair. for x-mas.

 

[Final8ty]

Although i'm sure we all agree that similar programs should be offered by AMD and Nvidia and not just as 3rd party "tweaks".
The fact is they do exist and nvidia inspector is very useful and widely used is undeniable.

But i honestly dont want to derail the topic and poll.

AMD is simply currently doing a great job(see poll results) and making me wanna upgrade although i know i shouldnt.

I own two 6970's in x-fire and dont need to upgrade, but man i want a pair of 7970's.
I sure wouldn't refuse them if she sees this thread and grabs me a pair. for x-mas.

Well im a Quad CF GPU user since the 3870's and what CCC offers me has done the job fine, can the same be said for the NV contol panel if i had quad SLI.

 

[SunnyD]

Where is the "Any of them, they're all way faster than pretty much anything I *need* today for current gen titles at typical resolutions for playable framerates" option?

I don't play benchmarks. I play with friends. Any of those three options would be just dandy by me.

 

[Ferzerp]

Where is the "Any of them, they're all way faster than pretty much anything I *need* today for current gen titles at typical resolutions for playable framerates" option?

I don't play benchmarks. I play with friends. Any of those three options would be just dandy by me.

How many fps is each friend worth? Do they have diminishing returns? What kind of friend is the most efficient for effort:fps gained ratio?

 

[badb0y]

A few months back my answer would have been different but now it's clear that the 7970 Ghz is the faster card. After 12.11's came out it pretty much flipped the rug on GTX 680. AMD now had a cheaper and faster card.

I am not going to completely rail on nVidia though they have a better 3D ecosystem, lower power consumption, and PhysX so in the features department they get the nod but in practically everything else AMD pretty much won.

Now since this is my personal opinion I would probably pick the 7970 over the 680 this round anyways since I run on a 2560x1600 resolution and because at the clocks my 7970 runs at I doubt there is a GTX 680 that can out perform it.

 

[tviceman]

AMD now had a cheaper and faster card.

As of lately, the gtx680 is cheaper on newegg. Cheapest two gtx680's are $419.99 ($405 after MIR) and $426.88 ($407 after MIR), whereas the cheapest two 7970GE's are $449.99 ($420 after MIR) and straight up $450.

Soooo...

 

[Eureka]

As of lately, the gtx680 is cheaper on newegg. Cheapest two gtx680's are $419.99 ($405 after MIR) and $426.88 ($407 after MIR), whereas the cheapest two 7970GE's are $449.99 ($420 after MIR) and straight up $450.

Soooo...

7970 GE was selling for 360 last month before Never Settle. Prices fluctuate.

 

[Avalon]

GTX 680 because it runs cooler and quieter. No need for a big overclock. Plus, Nvidia cards tend to hold their value a bit better so I'd have an easier time selling it a year or two down the road.

 

[chimaxi83]

As of lately, the gtx680 is cheaper on newegg. Cheapest two gtx680's are $419.99 ($405 after MIR) and $426.88 ($407 after MIR), whereas the cheapest two 7970GE's are $449.99 ($420 after MIR) and straight up $450.

Soooo...

People buy that ECS brand card? Also, both cards you mentioned are stock clock, reference cooled cards. You're comparing plain reference cards to custom cooled, factory overclocked 7970s, which beat those 680s.

Sooooo, nice try, but fail.

 

[tviceman]

People buy that ECS brand card? Also, both cards you mentioned are stock clock, reference cooled cards. You're comparing plain reference cards to custom cooled, factory overclocked 7970s, which beat those 680s.

Sooooo, nice try, but fail.

I compared the cheapest of one product to the cheapest of another product. I didn't cheat, include, exclude, or fail at anything.

Person says Product A is more than Product B.
I show person that Product B is cheaper right now.
You blow a gasket.

How is it fail when I showed the least expensive gtx680's costing less than the least expensive hd7970GE's? Can't you just seriously shut up for once and not get incredibly defensive about anything that damages your psyche?

 

[tviceman]

7970 GE was selling for 360 last month before Never Settle. Prices fluctuate.

Well damn those were some really good deals, because now they're $60-90 higher across the board.

 

[MTDEW]

Well im a Quad CF GPU user since the 3870's and what CCC offers me has done the job fine, can the same be said for the NV contol panel if i had quad SLI.

Hey now, i'm on your side here. :biggrin:
But seriously, nvidia does have more options to squeeze performance out of older cards...honestly, i'm not just making it up.
I'd ask how your setup is holding up performance wise, but that would derail the thread.
She has my lottery tickets in her purse and she's at work, but if i hit for $550 million, i'll Pm ya with some upgrade options for free...(c'mon, you know you wanna pair of 7970 GE's too) LOL

A few months back my answer would have been different but now it's clear that the 7970 Ghz is the faster card. After 12.11's came out it pretty much flipped the rug on GTX 680. AMD now had a cheaper and faster card.

I am not going to completely rail on nVidia though they have a better 3D ecosystem, lower power consumption, and PhysX so in the features department they get the nod but in practically everything else AMD pretty much won.

Now since this is my personal opinion I would probably pick the 7970 over the 680 this round anyways since I run on a 2560x1600 resolution and because at the clocks my 7970 runs at I doubt there is a GTX 680 that can out perform it.

IMO We need more people like you posting here.
Lately, its been too many "red sucks...green wins" or visa versa crap.
Smart / objective people are able to see both strengths and weaknesses of both sides and decide which features are most important to them personally, without losing respect for others opinions/choices.
No doubt if 3D and physx matters to you, you're better off going Nvidia over AMD.
Just like if those features don't matter and you game at higher resolutions, AMD is the way to go.
Great post! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Final8ty]

Hey now, i'm on your side here. :biggrin:
But seriously, nvidia does have more options to squeeze performance out of older cards...honestly, i'm not just making it up.
I'd ask how your setup is holding up performance wise, but that would derail the thread.

If it was not holding up i would not still be using it.

Right so if i had quad SLI i could get away without the need for Nvidia Inspector.
Besides Ocing im only interested in what's available from each manufactures control panel.

 

[omeds]

Nvidia Inspector is a 3rd party program just like Radeon Pro, so take them both out of the equation when it comes to what NV and AMD offer themselves.
I personally don't use either of them.

Why the hell not? I'd hate to game on your system by the sounds of it.

 

[Final8ty]

Why the hell not? I'd hate to game on your system by the sounds of it.

My system is for me and not you and it works very well.

 

[omeds]

Lucky for me then!

 

[MTDEW]

If it was not holding up i would not still be using.

Glad to hear it.
I have a tendency to upgrade more often than needed to satisfy my hardware itch.(did you see the ASUS MATRIX HD 7970 PLATINUM EDITION )
Man its hard not to want one of those. :awe:
This is the first GPU generation, i'm trying to show restraint and not spend UN-necessary $$$.

Why the hell not? I'd hate to game on your system by the sounds of it.

WTF?
Steam forums are over HERE
Not everyone is crazy enough to upgrade their rigs every generation when they feel its not needed.
Did you at least have enough respect for this forum/thread to vote in the poll?

Voicing your opinion is fine, but flat-out disrespecting other members is not allowed here.
Just remember not everyone has the same priorities when it comes to pc gaming. (or anything in life for that matter)
But his rig is far from mediocre by any stretch of the imagination.
So please refrain from any personal attacks when voicing your opinion.

 

[omeds]

I asked why he doesnt use radeon pro or inspector, I didnt say anything about upgrading.

 

[MTDEW]

I asked why he doesnt use radeon pro or inspector, I didnt say anything about upgrading.

Ok, my bad.
(i pretty sure ive been wrong once b4 too...LOL)
Although it obviously was taken that way by him and myself because of the way you worded your post about "i'd hate to game your system".

But, no big deal...some people like to spend time to tweak and others feel that time is better spent doing other things that are of a higher priority to them.
And the tweaks are the responsibility of the GPU manufacturer themselves. (my conclusion since Final8ty edited his post)
And i cannot say i disagree with his view, since i feel it is an area where AMD still needs to improve.

So, did ya vote AMD or Nvidia?

I honestly feel AMD is kicking some butt here with their price/game offerings.

I only wish the 12.11 performance drivers/price and game bundle were offered to the early adopters at launch to show AMD fans they care about their die hard supporters/early adopters.

But, it is here now and very hard to ignore.

And to lavaheadache ,
I'd like to withdraw my vote and ask for a free GTX 680 and 7970GE for 'hands on" evaluation before coming to a conclusion. :whiste: