Yeah, exactly. I mean, what sounds more plausible?
"Joseph, although I have never been with a man before, I am carrying the child of our Lord." or "Joseph, we've got a new milkman."?
I rest my case.
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I don't see how I proved that. Saying that weirdness and disbelief are 2 seperate things in now way proves anything of the sort.
I couldn't answer you being that I'm not a Christian. But I can advise you to go ask your local Christian cleric your questions on Christianty because he probably has a better grasp on the subject since he did more than take a college class on it.
Yep! Especially since pretty much all major religions today were based from a time of little to no science testing and/or understanding. So to be able to start a new one in our more intelligent and scientific time says something. Maybe ole Hubbard should have been in marketing. Think how big Pepsi would be over coke if they had him.
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I'm aware of the verse. Now you have a problem understanding it, because you think it means you should go murder people. Go speak to a priest or something.
what part of "shall be put to death" do you not get? The lord is talking to me so I must do his work, right? All I have to do is show the jury, people that lord created, and tell them I am doing his work and I am free. That and they can;t put me in jail, as my virgin wife is about to have a child.
By the way Jesus2, my wifes unborn savior, is registred at Target. Thanks
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Attending a Seminary for 8 years would only teach you the biased parts of said religion. When you study something on your own, first by reading the bible - and then researching all the different intrepretations of it - you actually learn all sides. A seminary is going to be based on a single religion, and a single intrepretation of the writing that your studying. I can only assume it was the bible (new testament most likely) and that it was one of the numerous Christian faiths. I was defending the other guy, because I have been a Christian my whole life since my family is all Christian. But there was a time that I started really questioning my faith, and after that time I actually decided to attend bible study and youth groups and actually read the bible. Funny how it was after all of that, and all the other research I did outside of it (info from the other side and other intrepreation's of events) that I began to stop believing in god or christianity.
I really don't understand how alien souls inhabiting bodies is that much more weird then christ rising from the dead. If the religion wasn't created by a Science fiction writer, who said this all happened millions of years before the earth was even created (by current dating techniques) and had holes all over other aspects of said story (space craft that look like DC-10's???) it might have more creedance. As it stands, its obvious L Ron was either insane, or just greedy. What better way to make money then the way he did? Frankly, I envy the man for getting rich off stupid people. Anyone dumb enough to fall for such drivel deserves to have there money lost in such a way. Some can argue that Christianity is nothing more then this also. Catholicism being the MicroSoft of the religious world. The power the catholic church has is enormous in Europe, at least Scientology has no power.
I only argue, that to some people any way - all religion is pretty stupid, and Scientology isn't necessarily any less stupid then others. Like the Jewish faith for instance, I find various aspects of it even more retarded then Scientology.
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Again, I can't answer your questions in a Christian light since I am not a Christian. I will again refer you to a Christian cleric who may actually be able to answer your question. If Christians thought that the verse actually means what you think it does where are all the Sabbath murders? Just poking fun at something which you obviously don't correctly understand is really silly
First point, very true.
I believe in the possibility of alien life. But to say that aliens have visited this planet to "study" us humans. From all that we know so far, that would take a Type 3 lifeform (currently we are type 0), which I believe is mathematically improbable with the age of the universe, the many factors that go in to the development of intelligent life, and finding intellignet life is quite literally like finding a needle buried somewhere on the Earth and having one person look for it and find it. Unless the Intelligent life somehow lived in our solar system previously (and was at least a type 2 lifeform), and knew of our existence from before, it is highly improbable.
type 0 (amassing energy and resources through direct processes, from plants and animals. -- This includes any animal by-product)
type 1 (cultivating energy through all natural resources -- thermal, solar, weather, wind, ... nuclear) We are at the cusp, but politics keeps us from this.
- once resources from type 1 runs out
type 2 (cultivating directly from the sun and occupying other planets in our solar system)
type 3 (being able to directly take energy from means that are beyond our understanding <quantum stuff>, black holes ...; and interstellar travel)
You mean like "poking fun" of Scientology, "which you obviously don't correctly understand". Liek that kind of "silly"?
You might want to read your first couple post, as you just put your foot in your mouth again.
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That's an incorrect assumption. I learned hundreds of viewpoints and opinions into numerous different texts. I also learned about beliefs other than my own.
Again, your assumption is completely incorrect, but my beliefs are really not the point here. Believing in God and believing in Christianity are two totally seperate things. I don't see why your problems with Christianity have to effect your belief in God.
I agree with more of that than you know.
I am not going to get into a religious debate on a web forum, it's kinda silly. I have no problem with you believeing whatever it is that you do. But 'stupidity' is not what I was arguing, I was talking about weirdness. I'm sure you can see the weirdness in Scientology that is not in other religions. Sure, you may think it's all a crock, but I doubt you really think it's as weird as Scientology.
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Originally posted by: ThePresence
That's an incorrect assumption. I learned hundreds of viewpoints and opinions into numerous different texts. I also learned about beliefs other than my own.
Again, your assumption is completely incorrect, but my beliefs are really not the point here. Believing in God and believing in Christianity are two totally seperate things. I don't see why your problems with Christianity have to effect your belief in God.
I agree with more of that than you know.
I am not going to get into a religious debate on a web forum, it's kinda silly. I have no problem with you believeing whatever it is that you do. But 'stupidity' is not what I was arguing, I was talking about weirdness. I'm sure you can see the weirdness in Scientology that is not in other religions. Sure, you may think it's all a crock, but I doubt you really think it's as weird as Scientology.
Marlin1975 its pretty obvious that he was NOT poking fun - but calling Scientology weird. There's nothing wrong with that - he was not mocking Scientology or anything of the sort.
UNFORTUNATELY, people have such knee jerk reactions To Christianity that if anyone mentions anything about it or seem related in any way - they go on the attack.
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I couldn't care less if he was mocking scientology. Its not like I'm a scientologist or anything. I was simply arguing because he made it sound like Marlin's opinion didn't matter. He only had 1 college class and the rest he taught himself, where as Presence had an all knowing siminary for 8 years and yet isn't Christian.
And also that a lot of things in Christianity are as hard to believe as the things L Ron said. They only seem "weirder" to some because it has only been around 50 years. Where as christ rising from the dead, walking on water, parting seas, and having a virgin mother have all been around 2000 years.
And also that a lot of things in Christianity are as hard to believe as the things L Ron said. They only seem "weirder" to some because it has only been around 50 years. Where as christ rising from the dead, walking on water, parting seas, and having a virgin mother have all been around 2000 years.
In that saluting picture, that Miscavige guy is even shorter than Tom.
I wonder if they both know the history of psychiatry.
I wonder if they both know the history of psychiatry.
Well I agree with you that there are definite very weird aspects of Christianity. But there is definately some legitimacy to the point that The Presence made. Not that we should dismiss Marlin's opinion at all - but it amazes me how much people bash Christianity when they barely know anything about it.
People bash the Bible, but have never even read it. That's just the bare minimum. Studying the cultural/historical background and maybe then some literary criticism would be a next step. One class or even reading up on it does not make a substantial foundation for criticism.
I guess my main point is this: People who have barely read/studied Christianity to any moderate degree of understanding bash Christianity. Its a knee-jerk thing. Any topic on this forum dealing with Christianity,etc people will bash. They do so without any or minimal knowledge about it. Its because its the "cool" thing to do.
However, when it comes down to it- people disbelieving Christianity without substantial knowledge is JUST as bad as Christians who believe without substantial knowledge.
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Of course you couldn't care less, which is why he wasn't talking to you. He actually adressed the person who accused me of poking fun.
I never said his opinion doesn't matter, I just felt he lacked an understanding. Let's review the conversation: Someone said that he doesn't understand how anyone with sense can put up with crap like that. Marlin said the same can be said for all religions. I remarked that he must've extensively studied all the world's religions to be able to make that comment. He said he did, and he even took a college religion class. I responded that that hardly qualifies as extensive study.
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