Not to bump this back up again but I want to set the record straight about the #4 dad. I don't think he had ANYTHING to do with what happened at the other forums whichever ones they were. I only know about the LF at this point. Anyway, he is a VERY good man and has had some VERY bad luck in his life. I did really want to see my friend win but I didn't want to start a voting war between forums to get it done, I hope that everyone who voted from here actually read the letters and based your decision on that. I would be nieve to think that happened 100% of the time but I can hope that most did actually read them. It was a GREAT contest and GREAT race up until last night when other forums got involved and the #4 parent didn't have anything to do with that other then posting it at an ATV forum he frequents for a group of people to know what was going on, from then on where the info went was out of his control and the friend of a friend effect took place. Anyway, LF is starting a fund for him to go ahead and get his bike pimped, I am actually going to do what I can even if it is just with parts that I don't need that his kid could use. If my friends son wouldn't have been able to win that boy is who I would have chosen myself, followed by #2 as that mom really cares about her kids racing and she is doing it on her own with some help from his grandpa. See I know a little about their lives and consider them friends, they are good people and maybe the people at LF are too, they had their hearts in the right place, I just really had a problem with the process they used to motivate their members. Either way it is in the past now and I hope LF can raise enough money to get #4 pimped to the max!