At Carleton University free speech is under Attack

Iron Woode

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by a crazy LGBT activist student.

Oh, the ironing is delicious!

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...by-tearing-down-universitys-free-speech-wall/

Only hours after students installed a “Free Speech Wall” at Carleton University to prove that campus free speech was alive and well, it was torn down by an activist who claimed the wall was an “act of violence,” against the gay community.

“What we wanted to promote was competition of ideas, rather than ‘if I disagree with you I’ve got to censor you,’” said Ian CoKehyeng, founder of Carleton Students for Liberty, the creators of the wall.

Installed on Monday in the Unicentre Galleria, one of campus’ most high-traffic areas, the wall was really more of a 1.2 x 1.8 meter wooden plank wrapped in paper and equipped with felt markers.

By Tuesday morning the wall was gone, destroyed in an act of “forceful resistance,” by seventh-year human rights student Arun Smith.

“In organizing the ‘free speech wall,’ the Students for Liberty have forgotten that liberty requires liberation, and this liberation is prevented by providing space … for the expression of hate,” he wrote in a 600-word Facebook post in which he identified himself as an anti-homophobia campaigner.

Calling the area around the wall a “war zone,” he intimated that it was “but another in a series of acts of violence” against gay rights.

In a Tuesday afternoon Twitter exchange with a CBC reporter, Mr. Smith dubbed free speech an “illusory concept” and declared that “not every opinion is valid, nor deserving of expression.”

Mr. CoKehyeng hinted at the irony of the wall being taken down by an LGBT activist.

“Free speech is a friend of minorities, it shouldn’t be people who feel marginalized in society who are trampling on free speech,” he said.

“Free speech is something you can’t monopolize for yourself, you have to give it to everyone else.”

“Only someone who had gone to university could write something so utterly stupid,” said Fred Litwin, the Ottawa-based creator of the blog Gay and Right, in reference to Mr. Smith’s Tuesday morning Facebook post.

“Free speech is free speech … and I just wish these people would get a life.”

In truth, the wall’s only overt references to sexual orientation were pro-gay, such as “QUEERS ARE AWESOME,” “Gay is OK” and “I [Heart] Queers.”

The only comment that verged into anti-gay territory was a scrawl reading “traditional marriage is awesome.”

According to Mr. CoKehyeng, the four-word phrase prompted a visit from Ryan Flannagan, the university’s director of student affairs.

“He saw that it wasn’t inciting hate speech at all, so he let that one slide,” said Mr. CoKehyeng.

“Many students used the wall to express diverse views about many topics,” wrote Mr. Flannagan in a Tuesday email to the Post.

Expression on the wall was not entirely free, of course.

If the Free Speech Wall had suddenly been wallpapered with swastikas and racial slurs, university officials could have ordered it removed as a contravention of the University’s policies against discrimination.

“I didn’t want to prepare for it because I was hoping it wouldn’t happen,” said Mr. CoKehyeng. “Personally, I wouldn’t have censored anything unless I was told to.”

Fortunately, the board remained surprisingly civil, featuring a number of personal greetings such as “I love my clitoris!!” as well as a few campus political standards like “Obama Murders with Drones” and “Harper is a douche.”

A phrase reading “Abortion is murder” spawned complaints, said Mr. CoKehyeng, but also a string of scrawled counter-arguments.

Tuesday morning, a handful of students took to Arun Smith’s Facebook page to cheer the wall’s destruction.

“DIRECT ACTION GETS THE GOODS!,” declared Shane Davis-Young, a computer programming student at Ottawa’s Algonquin University.

A McGill University student whose Facebook avatar bore the phrase “say yes to the press!” similarly applauded the action against the “heinous” Students for Liberty.

In a 2012 ranking of “campus freedom” compiled by the Calgary-based Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms — a sponsor of the Free Speech Wall — Carleton University received one of the group’s lowest rating for free speech — largely because of university efforts to deny funding and space to pro-abortion groups.

As of Tuesday, Mr. CoKehyeng, was in the process of building a new wall but says he “can’t guarantee” it will not meet the same fate.
Seems like free speech is too much for some "educated" people to handle.

and LOL @ 7th year student in a 4 year course.
 

chucky2

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The true thoughts of super smart educational guys...lulz...this guy will likely end up being a tenured professor at some point, doing his best to help churn out as many of the Left base as possible. Sometimes I wonder if we'd be better off halting loans and support of college for a decade or so...
 

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I'm glad the commissar of free speech let the post "traditional marriage is awesome" remain in place, how tolerant of him. I also noticed the post of "abortion is murder" drew a number of complaints. Amazing how tolerant of diversity they are at the center of knowledge, the "free speech" wall lasted hours before it was destroyed.
 

michal1980

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I'm glad the commissar of free speech let the post "traditional marriage is awesome" remain in place, how tolerant of him. I also noticed the post of "abortion is murder" drew a number of complaints. Amazing how tolerant of diversity they are at the center of knowledge, the "free speech" wall lasted hours before it was destroyed.

The fact that "traditional marriage is awesome" actually made someone think it was 'anti-gay' is just sad.
 

PokerGuy

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Is this at all surprising to anyone? Those pushing "tolerance" are often the ones who are least tolerant of views other than their own. Sadly those idiots often congregate in academia because they can't cut it in the real world. Then they can spew their garbage onto a whole new lot of unsuspecting young people each year.....
 

zsdersw

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Yeah, there are more than a few ridiculously over-zealous GLBT advocates... and this guy is clearly one.
 
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I find it funny - if a gay person disagrees with a straight person, that means you are homophobic. It's so funny. It's the homosexual way of "pulling the race card" ;)
 

zsdersw

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I'll refrain from pulling what right-wing apologists pull in threads about the stupid stuff right-wing nutjobs do...
 

yllus

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Yesterday Mr. Smith became a national punchline - it was pretty terrific. I think most people including myself got a kick out of this especially:

By Tuesday morning the wall was gone, destroyed in an act of “forceful resistance,” by seventh-year human rights student Arun Smith.
 

TechBoyJK

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How I feel trying to remain 'center'

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TechBoyJK

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Yesterday Mr. Smith became a national punchline - it was pretty terrific. I think most people including myself got a kick out of this especially:

It's almost as if it's so painfully obvious this 'habitual' student is trying to remain relevant in his scene that it's actually a joke.
 
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This guy is a moron and a POS. Its disgusting that a POS like him is allowed into university. There needs to be some kind of severe punishment for this guy
 

zsdersw

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This guy is a moron and a POS. Its disgusting that a POS like him is allowed into university. There needs to be some kind of severe punishment for this guy

Well, that's no different than letting you into a university. In both cases it says more about the university than anything.
 

waggy

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disgusting.

I may not like what someone has to say but they have the right to say it.
 
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Well, that's no different than letting you into a university. In both cases it says more about the university than anything.

So should the guy be punished for this? Imagine what he would do if someone wore used their free speech to criticize gay marriage in front of him
 

lotus503

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So should the guy be punished for this? Imagine what he would do if someone wore used their free speech to criticize gay marriage in front of him

I think a nation full of people thinking your an idiot is punishment enough.

Maybe make him build a new wall or something.
 

lotus503

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you're*

Welcome to the party.

If you want to be a spelling grammar nazi be my guest, you have a busy job to do, I'll let you get back to it.

My administrative assistant would be impressed, she is always correcting my copy.
 
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Is this at all surprising to anyone? Those pushing "tolerance" are often the ones who are least tolerant of views other than their own. Sadly those idiots often congregate in academia because they can't cut it in the real world. Then they can spew their garbage onto a whole new lot of unsuspecting young people each year.....

I hear this a lot but i dont think you guys get it. People who want tolerance are not tolerant to those who are not tolerant. So if you were tolerant in the first place their would be no problem. You see :p

Were intolerant of intolerance :p
 
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I'll refrain from pulling what right-wing apologists pull in threads about the stupid stuff right-wing nutjobs do...

It's funny, you are the perfect liberal example.

You LOOOOOOOOOVE free speech................................................ as long as it applies to your feelings/emotions.


You LOOOOOOOOOVE higher taxation............................................ as long as it applies to everyone but you.


hypocritical, no shame, no equality, all idiocy. You are THE definition of someone destined to be skilled in the art of drive-thru McDonalds operator.
 
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I hear this a lot but i dont think you guys get it. People who want tolerance are not tolerant to those who are not tolerant. So if you were tolerant in the first place their would be no problem. You see :p

Were intolerant of intolerance :p

Tolerance is the acceptance of other people's beliefs. Instead it's nothing but close-mindedness to other people's thought process - in a retarded belief that they have the master thought process that is 100% correct :rolleyes:
 

zsdersw

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So should the guy be punished for this? Imagine what he would do if someone wore used their free speech to criticize gay marriage in front of him

I'm not sure what punishment the university has on the books for what the student did... tearing down something that could be construed as school property. Whatever the appropriate punishment for that is, yes.. should be imposed on the student.
 

zsdersw

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It's funny, you are the perfect liberal example.

You LOOOOOOOOOVE free speech................................................ as long as it applies to your feelings/emotions.

You LOOOOOOOOOVE higher taxation............................................ as long as it applies to everyone but you.

hypocritical, no shame, no equality, all idiocy. You are THE definition of someone destined to be skilled in the art of drive-thru McDonalds operator.

I suggest you read the threads I've created. You'll see I'm not accurately described as a liberal. Think "libertarian" and you'll be much closer to the truth.

But, by all means, continue going off the deep end in a typically idiotic fashion. It is very amusing.

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