AT Benches Core 2 X6800 (2.93 Ghz Conroe) vs FX-62

[kknd1967]

since the first day that Conroe was benchmarked
many ppl started to focus on "the real life performance" with 1600x1200 6xAA/16XAF SLI/CF when compare CPUs

I have actually focused on my real life performance of DVD burning and DVD watching. Bought 8 DVD burners, 3 AIW cards, 2 monitors without changing my 3 yr old CPU yet. It is as good as P-D A64X2 Conroe and K8L

Originally posted by: lopri
You guys don't think faster GPUs will come during the early lifespan of Conroe? What about SLI? And since when did we benchmark CPUs @1600x1200 w/ 4xAA/8xAF? Hell, at that configuration P4 and A64 will probably produce similar numbers. CPU benches are done on low res for reason. And the faster the GPU, the wider the gap will be.

 

[mamisano]

As a long time fan of AMD products (since the K7-500), I have this to say. Intel has released a very nice product in the Conroe, and from currently available testing, it does out perform the A64. Personally, I have all I need with my current X2-3800, but it is nice to see an alternative when the time comes for an upgrade.

AMD and Intel fans alike should be HAPPY that Intel has released such a processor. This is a GREAT thing for enthusiasts because it will mean that prices of AMD processors will have to come down below similar clocked Conroe chips, and that AMD will have to soon respond with a conroe beater. I mean, look at the current AMD processor prices. They have stayed stagnant for such a long time or even increased in some instances. With competition from Intel affordable high performance is once again at hand.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: lopri
You guys don't think faster GPUs will come during the early lifespan of Conroe? What about SLI? And since when did we benchmark CPUs @1600x1200 w/ 4xAA/8xAF? Hell, at that configuration P4 and A64 will probably produce similar numbers. CPU benches are done on low res for reason. And the faster the GPU, the wider the gap will be.

The software will always keep up with the hardware. Just when a new more powerful gpu comes out, threre will be a new game that runs like crap on it.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: meksta
let me rephrase then:

1) AMD is in the process of going to 65nm on 300mm wafers (30% die shrink + 50% area increase)

Yah but the transition to 65nm will not happen too fast, unfortunately. Intel says they will convert 25% of production to Conroe by the end of 2006. I don't think AMD will be able to make up 25% their production line with 65nm. And I'd expect them to see from, ahem, FX-XX variants. Far from being mainstream.

2) Every process shrink has produced higher clock speeds. I said the "WALL" will probably be raised, and didn't say they will initially come out with 4ghz parts. In fact this might take a while.

Agreed.

3) Ok the cache part I was speculating, but never said it was easy. It's an option and it would not be out of the realm for them to do so. because they have cores with 2 different cache sizes already.

Again, agreed.



I believe prices will be competitive and that is great for the consumer. Not a fanboy of either...
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[Showtime]

Only thing that matters to me/most of us is price/performance. Most of us have used AMD, Intel, Nvidia, and ATI when they performed the best or gave the best performance per dollar. Since the new intels will be in very short supply (according to Anandtech) and probably expensive, it will may take a while for them to get it to us at a decent price. By the time the prices do drop, the new AMD's will be out and the crown will go to whoever. In the meantime, hopefully the price cuts hit and hit hard. I am still interested in picking up an opty 165 when the price is right. For those that have to have conroe asap, I am sure dell will have some sore of "deal".

The King is Dead!!! Long live the King!

 

[Stoneburner]

INtel just ethered AMD.

 

[imported_blackbrrd]

I think the people who says that gameing in 1024x768 is unrealistic are right, because it is. You probably wouldn't notice the difference between a 3,4 ghz P4, a FX-62 or a 2,93ghz conroe. Even so, a lot of people has bought the A64 x2. I wonder why?

Recently a game called Oblivion entered the market. You actually get scaleing due to cpu at a resolution you would actually play in, 1280x1024, perfect for all those 19" lcd screens.
Oblivion cpu scaleing

To bad they didn't test the conroe in that benchmark, but I bet it will be in a while...

So, my point is that newer games actually can get cpu limited, even at the resolution you play in, and probably sooner than you thought.

I wouldn't recommend anybody with an dual core amd cpu to upgrade to conroe, but I would recommend anybody thinking of buying a new computer to get the conroe. I don't see any reasons why not.

... Except it isn't here yet We will see in a months time how it goes.

... oh, and people still buy the Fx62, Fx60, 4400+, etc... all those people would probably be better of with the much cheaper conroe - or maybe AMD will reduce their prices when conroe hits the market? Very likely if you ask me...

 

[Stoneburner]

Well conroe still isn't on the market, but the sheer margin by which is ikills amd's best is absurd. Even when k8 came out it just edged out intel and slowly evolved while intel's line devolved. Intel is about to leapfrog AMD instead of just edging it out in terms of performance.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I applaude all you AMD peeps who even with over whelming prood that Conroe is the next big Chip are stayiing true to AMD hoping for some sort of miracle....

Huh, whats the point of ur post, flame bait?, might i recomend u to visit the thread in my sig.

flame bait?? thiis whole thread is flame bait...lol

 

[theteamaqua]

im looking at E6600 @ 4.5Ghz to 5 GHz on Vapochill Light Speed

 

[Regs]

Have to be careful with percents. 5 FPS in any particular intensive gaming resolution could mean at least 15%. Either way, I like this. Good quality parts from both sides in the coming years (I hope) instead of this marginal performance gain and 1000 dollar 3.0+ GHz processors crap.

 

[Stoneburner]

Conroe is powerful! But anybody have any idea how they will scale performance? Or are they gonna rely on architectural changes every 2 years Nvidia/ATi style.

 

[Cooler]

They have hit 3.8 GHz on air and over 5 GHz on extreme cooling with 45nm process next year higher clock speeds are coming. The 14 stage pipeline allows for a lot head room in clock speeds.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: Cooler
They have hit 3.8 GHz on air and over 5 GHz on extreme cooling with 45nm process next year higher clock speeds are coming. The 14 stage pipeline allows for a lot head room in clock speeds.

U cant gurantee that, if the change to the 90nm process which happened to intel is any indication, anything can happen.

A64 has a 14 stage pipeline also (or 12 cant remember).

With smaller process ur producing less heat, but u are producing more heat per unit area, so extreme clock speeds might not be possible, and i doubt clock speeds will increase much over 3 - 4 ghz anytime soon.
I think they should rather keep clock speeds down and make a better and more efficient architecture. Sure it would prolly cost an arm and a leg.
(Its cmos, power consumption rises greatly with clock speed)

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I applaude all you AMD peeps who even with over whelming prood that Conroe is the next big Chip are stayiing true to AMD hoping for some sort of miracle....

Huh, whats the point of ur post, flame bait?, might i recomend u to visit the thread in my sig.

flame bait?? thiis whole thread is flame bait...lol

This thread is discusion on the benchmarks between two 2 cpus, how is that flame bait

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I applaude all you AMD peeps who even with over whelming prood that Conroe is the next big Chip are stayiing true to AMD hoping for some sort of miracle....

Huh, whats the point of ur post, flame bait?, might i recomend u to visit the thread in my sig.

flame bait?? thiis whole thread is flame bait...lol

This thread is discusion on the benchmarks between two 2 cpus, how is that flame bait

You are offered a choice of two platforms. One is AM2/Mobo/Ram, the other is Core 2 Duo/Mobo Ram. Both setups cost 600.00 each. Same clocks for each. Which do you buy?

Now before you answer, lets pretend that you don't already own a A643800 setup. Because normally, that would be plenty fast enough with no need to upgrade at all.
So, which one is it? Everyone here knows the answer. What's your answer?

 

[krackato]

I look forward to upgrading my Athlon XP 2500+ with Geforce 2 GTS.