asus vs saphire technology

[Shinnywolf]

hi peeps,

can someone tell me if there is any difference between

Sapphire Technology ATI Radeon 7770 HD 1GB PCI-Express 3.0 HDMI OC

and

Asus AMD Radeon 7770 HD 1ghz 1gb pci express 3.0 HDMI

 

[Sable]

http://www.dabs.com/products/sapphi...7770-hd-1gb-pci-express-3-0-hdmi-oc-8HYS.html

Core Clock
1100 MHz
Effective Memory Clock
5 GHz

http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-amd-radeon-7770-hd-1ghz-1gb-pci-express-3-0-hdmi-864D.html

Engine Clock 1000 MHz
Memory Clock 4500MHz (1125MHz GDDR5)

sapphire vaguely faster

 

[Shinnywolf]

thanks sable,

now im confused lol

in my pc i have
Intel i5 3570k processor
Gigabyte H61M-D2H-usb3 micro atx socket 1155 motherboard
Corsair XMS3 CMX16GX3M4A1333C9 RAM Module - 24 GB (3 x 8 GB) - DDR3 SDRAM
1tb seagate barracuda hd
samsung 830 series 128gb SSD
radeon HD 7770 graphics card
win 7 x86

in my sons pc i have
AMD Bulldozer FX-6300 6 Core 3.5GHz Processor FD6300WMGUSBX Socket AM3+
Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P AMD 970 DDR3 ATX USB3.0 Socket AM3+
Seagate 1tb Barracuda Sata 6gb/s 64mb7200rpm
Corsair XMS3 CMX16GX3M4A1333C9 RAM Module - 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) - DDR3 SDRAM
win 7 x86

my confusion is that if his graphics card is slightly better than mine why cant he run the same games that i am currently running on my system?
rome total war 1, payday 2, hitman absolution, just cause 2 wont seem to run on his pc but every other game runs fine on his pc (sleeping dogs, assassins creed black flag etc) is this anything to do with the amd chipset?

 

[blastingcap]

thanks sable,

now im confused lol

in my pc i have
Intel i5 3570k processor
Gigabyte H61M-D2H-usb3 micro atx socket 1155 motherboard
Corsair XMS3 CMX16GX3M4A1333C9 RAM Module - 24 GB (3 x 8 GB) - DDR3 SDRAM
1tb seagate barracuda hd
samsung 830 series 128gb SSD
radeon HD 7770 graphics card
win 7 x86

in my sons pc i have
AMD Bulldozer FX-6300 6 Core 3.5GHz Processor FD6300WMGUSBX Socket AM3+
Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P AMD 970 DDR3 ATX USB3.0 Socket AM3+
Seagate 1tb Barracuda Sata 6gb/s 64mb7200rpm
Corsair XMS3 CMX16GX3M4A1333C9 RAM Module - 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) - DDR3 SDRAM
win 7 x86

my confusion is that if his graphics card is slightly better than mine why cant he run the same games that i am currently running on my system?
rome total war 1, payday 2, hitman absolution, just cause 2 wont seem to run on his pc but every other game runs fine on his pc (sleeping dogs, assassins creed black flag etc) is this anything to do with the amd chipset?

If you can't run Rome Total War 1, which is several years old by now, on your son's PC, then his PC either has faulty hardware or software. Update all drivers to the latest ones available from amd.com. And are you sure he doesn't have a virus or something? Since he can run SOME games but not others, I'm not sure that hardware is to blame here.

 

[Shinnywolf]

I have scanned with AVG 2014 and all seem well.
i will visit amd.com now and check the drivers

thanks

 

[Morbus]

My bet would be on faulty software. I've seen plenty of computers with appropriate specs not be able to run games simply because it's full of crap and badly configured software.

 

[KingFatty]

Hmm, if he is a curious teen, maybe he is visiting certain adult websites that infected the computer.

 

[Shinnywolf]

lol no chance kingfatty i havnt given it to him yet, i was trying to get everything installed and running sweet before giving it to him.

there is nothing on his pc (apart from the different drivers) that is not already installed and running on my own pc from the same source without any problems which is why i had asked previously if the AMD chipset would make any difference as ive not had these problems with intel and this is my first AMD build


also a little off topic but @morbus how are you getting on with your AreoCool Strike X, i was looking at some custom builds using that case yesterday and was considering getting one myself. some of the setups looked awesome:awe:

 

[Morbus]

@morbus how are you getting on with your AreoCool Strike X, i was looking at some custom builds using that case yesterday and was considering getting one myself. some of the setups looked awesome:awe:

I find the case very attractive but it's a bit pricey. I think it's worth it for the price, dust filters, good ventilation, good expansibility, neons... I plan on keeping it for years to come.

 

[Techhog]

Save up for a 2GB 7770 or 7790. 1GB isn't enough anymore imo

 

[Majcric]

I ran Rome total war fine on an e7200 CPU @2.53 ghz with a 9800gtx + at 1680x1050. If remember right maxed.

 

[Morbus]

It's a 2005 game...

 

[Shinnywolf]

I ran Rome total war fine on an e7200 CPU @2.53 ghz with a 9800gtx + at 1680x1050. If remember right maxed.

i used to run it on my old pentium 4 with asus p5p800 motherboard onboard graphics (medium settings) with no problems

ive updated all the drivers from AMD.com re-installed payday 2 and its still the same, i start the shortcut as admin, the cursor changes to a rotating circle, the screen flashes black and it goes back to desktop. ive checked processes in task manager and payday2.exe is not running in the list.
confused.....
its the same source install as i have installed on my pc without any problems

 

[Majcric]

It sounds like a windows 7 compatiability issue. Have you tried running it under XP? I had this same behavior with Bioshock 1. Also try to run the game with and without patches. In my case, Bioshock would start until I added the latest patch; then it would just try to start and crash back to the desktop.

 

[Shinnywolf]

It sounds like a windows 7 compatiability issue. Have you tried running it under XP? I had this same behavior with Bioshock 1.

yes ive tried different compatibility options and none make any difference.
it runs straight off on my pc without any adjustments of issues and we are using identical operating systems

 

[lehtv]

Save up for a 2GB 7770 or 7790. 1GB isn't enough anymore imo

You don't do anything with 2GB of VRAM on a card that slow. 1GB is plenty.

 

[Shinnywolf]

could this possibly be a problem with the win 7 install?
i dont want to wipe the drive and start all over again but as frustration sets in this is increasing becoming a option

 

[Yuriman]

I'd like to be the first to point out that you shouldn't be using Windows 7 x86 - you're making more than half of your system RAM unusable on both systems by not using the x64 version.

 

[Shinnywolf]

I'd like to be the first to point out that you shouldn't be using Windows 7 x86 - you're making more than half of your system RAM unusable on both systems by not using the x64 version.

thanks yuri i didnt realise that

just for future reference what is the difference between x32 x64 x86 operating systems and why does the x86 restrict my useable ram?

im pretty sure my win 7 operating system disc has both x64 and x86 versions on it and it had installed the x86 version by default so i assumed this was correct for they system

 

[TerryMathews]

thanks yuri i didnt realise that

just for future reference what is the difference between x32 x64 x86 operating systems and why does the x86 restrict my useable ram?

im pretty sure my win 7 operating system disc has both x64 and x86 versions on it and it had installed the x86 version by default so i assumed this was correct for they system

No. Each version is a separate disc.

X32 is limited due to architecture. The maximum address space is 4gb, by the time you take out PCI address space youre down to ~3.5gb depending on configuration

 

[Shinnywolf]

No. Each version is a separate disc.

X32 is limited due to architecture. The maximum address space is 4gb, by the time you take out PCI address space youre down to ~3.5gb depending on configuration

sorry i should have mentioned it is not a official ms disc and does contain both x64 and x86 :whiste:

 

[Morbus]

There is no x32. There's x86, and there's x64. And there's also loads of different architectures.

Basically, everything nowadays is x64 (unless it's mobile or some very specific niches) so you just just use 64-bit versions of software, unless you experience problems with them. For example, the 64-bit version of MS Office doesn't support 32-bit versions of plugins (which is most of them) so that's an example where you might want to go for the 32-bit version a program. Otherwise, you should generally got for 64-bit.

On a modern computer anyway.

 

[TerryMathews]

There is no x32. There's x86, and there's x64. And there's also loads of different architectures.

Basically, everything nowadays is x64 (unless it's mobile or some very specific niches) so you just just use 64-bit versions of software, unless you experience problems with them. For example, the 64-bit version of MS Office doesn't support 32-bit versions of plugins (which is most of them) so that's an example where you might want to go for the 32-bit version a program. Otherwise, you should generally got for 64-bit.

On a modern computer anyway.

Technically there's no x64 either. If we're splitting hairs its AMD64.

 

[Shinnywolf]

There is no x32. There's x86, and there's x64. And there's also loads of different architectures.

Basically, everything nowadays is x64 (unless it's mobile or some very specific niches) so you just just use 64-bit versions of software, unless you experience problems with them. For example, the 64-bit version of MS Office doesn't support 32-bit versions of plugins (which is most of them) so that's an example where you might want to go for the 32-bit version a program. Otherwise, you should generally got for 64-bit.

On a modern computer anyway.

thanks morbus

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Could be the game doesn't like that series of amd Apus.