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Asus Transformer T100TA thread and general Baytrail

Where I am coming from.

First about me so you know where I am coming from, I have been a user of netbooks / cheap ultraportables since the very beginning of the netbook. My main rig is an i7 desktop, and desktops are the type of computer I use the vast majority of my computing time on. I have never been a lover of “real laptops” (14” to 17&#8221😉 for I rather just use a desktop, and if the item is 6 pounds with a couple of hours’ battery than to me it is not really portable. A netbook or ultraportable laptop on the other hand is a completely different beast, if the computer is less than 3.5 lbs and has a screen 12 inches or smaller, than to me it is an ultraportable and thus a “real laptop.”

I also besides a user of ultraportable I am a lover of tablets who thinks 7 or 8 inch is the best size, due to weight and the option to use tablets in 1 hand for reading and two hands for use.

You will also notice I try to keep my ultraportables under $500 and my tablets around $250. When I no longer use a computer it finds a home in a family member or friends hands.

Laptops/Ultraportables/Tablets I have owned in the past or currently own.
  • 2007 Original ASUS EEE PC, The first netbook which had a 7” screen with effectively a 10” chassis. This computer originally came with some form of linux, a Celeron m processor downclocked to 630 mhz, 4gbs of flash memory, and 512 megs of ram. I installed a nlite version of xp on this computer. Loved this computer at the time and I was one of the original supporters of netbooks. Gave this to my brother eventually it still works but he is not on the original ac adapter. If I recall I spent $399 on this computer and whatever an oem copy of windows xp was back then.
  • 2008 Macbook Pro with Windows 7 Bootcamp with core 2 duo mainstream voltage and 8600m geforce graphics. Hated this computer it was too big and bulky, eventually gave it to the person who at the time my significant other, now ex. Spent $1400 on macbook pro
  • Late 2009. Acer Aspire One 11.6” with an intel su2300 (core 2 duo ulv at 1.2ghz labeled a Celeron- and a mechanical hard drive. Loved this computer for it was an improvement over my original ASUS EEE PC. It had a horrible keyboard, and my god was the screen shit. Eventually this computer was stolen. Spent $350 on this computer.
  • Late 2010. Acer Aspire One 11.6” with an intel 1st gen core i3 ulv (i3 330um at 1.2 ghz). I replaced my 2009 acer aspire one when it was stolen, I promptly added an 120 gb sandforce 1st gen ssd. This computer was sold to a friend for I was just not using this computer enough when I have my thinkpad (see below) and my nexus. Spent $350 on this computer and $150 on ssd.
  • Late 2010 Original Nook 7 Color. Spent $250 on this. Some form of cortex a8 single core at 800 mhz. Was first introduction to ips screens. Loaded some form of android on it via microsd. While this was a great magazine and comic book reader it never felt like a real tablet. Somewhere this is still in my house in a box.
  • Mid 2011. HP Touchpad 32gb Model. Dual Core Scorpion with 1gb of memory. Bought this in the HP Firesale (Also got two more for family members, all three of them now belong to family members). Even though I had the Nook 7 color, I felt this was my first real tablet while the nook was more of a reading device. I installed cyangonemod on it and was happy with it. Eventually retired it not due to speed or screen but due to weight. This tablet is a 9.7” at 1.6 lbs. Spent $150 on the tablet.
  • 2012 Archos 8” Tablet. This tablet uses the Omap 4430 dual core at 1.2 ghz with 512 megs of memory. I got this tablet for I was disappointed with the original nexus at $250 did not have a micro sd and staples was clearing out this tablet for $130 the same week the nexus 7 was launched. I at the time had the hp touchpad as a tablet but I wanted something more portable and lighter that I could take places I could not take a 10” tablet. I eventually replaced this with the nexus 7 (see below) for while it work great, I missed an ips screen. My brother inherited this tablet.
  • 2012. Thinkpad Edge with 1st Gen Core i3 at mainstream voltages and 2.1 ghz. Got this refurbished from the Lenovo outlet and promptly put an ssd in it. I love the keyboard, but I do not currently use it much as a laptop instead using it mostly as a HTPC for the upstairs, occasionally I take it to class. Spent $330 on this computer and $150 on the SSD.
  • 2012 Nexus 7 Original. Loved this tablet, bought the 16gb model as soon as the price was dropped from $250 to $199. Part of me thinks 7” inch is the perfect size and this tablet has a special place in my heart.
  • Early 2013 Dell Latitude 10 tablet with Windows 8 Pro. Atom Clovertrail Dual Core with 2gbs of memory. I bought this tablet not because I needed too but because I got it at a very good price at $330 for a refurb with a 1 year warranty and I wanted to play with windows 8 in a tablet form factor with an atom. I really don’t like this tablet, I try to like it, but it is too heavy, too bulky, and just felt unpolished compared to my nexus tablets. It was alright if you needed windows, but if you didn’t need windows then why get it. This tablet will be going to my sister as a Christmas gift since I just got the asus t100.
  • 2013 Nexus 7 FHD, the new model. Still currently using this tablet, love it, I sold the 2012 nexus and upgrade not because I was disappointed with it, but I found a buyer of my 1st tablet for a $150 so I saw the new model as a $150 dollar upgrade.
Which brings me up to today. I recently purchased an asus t100 for $349 during an amazon sale. I bought this tablet for I was missing my acer netbook for school (was getting tired of bringing my thinkpad edge to school and dealing with the extra weight, or not bringing any computer at all.) I also wanted to play with the new baytrail atom, and finally this was lighter than my current dell latitude 10. My rational was that it was a good price and my sister would like the dell.
 
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My first impressions, I sell computers as a full time job, and as you can see I have played with many laptops, ultraportables, and tablets over the years. These initial impressions are about 24 hours old of me having the asus t100, and this was all written (all 2000 words) on the t100 when docked with the keyboard, or using on the onscreen keyboard.

So far I am thinking about giving the asus t100 a 9/10

Nice Screen. The Asus has an ips screen at 1366x768.
Speed

I got hate for posting this earlier in a different thread at anandtech.

Play briefly with a transformer 100 today. Was not happy with it, it is better than my clovertrail dell latitude and while it wasn't SLOW, it was not a place I would be happy with it. It took too long to load a 1080p quicktime file. That is probably the emmc storage and not the cpu and gpu, but it is still not what I would want for a laptop replacement.

With a non windows os and the same loading time I would probably not complain, but when you are used to windows 7 / 8 with a ssd it was quite noticeable the difference in speed.

And I stand by the initial hypothesis then. The limiting factor of the new baytrail atoms for normal netbook use is not the processor or the 2gbs of ram, the limiting factor of baytrail is the emmc. The t100 uses the faster sandisk emmc and is a large improvement over my 2012 nexus 7 and my dell latitude 10. Random writes max out about 5 MBs according to task manager. You can easily obtain this by updates, installs, or large wifi transfers. When the computer is bogged down with random writes it is sluggish and hard to use. Guess what most people including me do with a new computer, install updates and drivers.

The cpu is markedly faster than Clovertrail. Anand calls the iPhone 5s cyclone cpu a desktop class cpu, baytrail is roughly the same. To me Clovertrail very much fells like a tablet cpu, baytrail on the other hand feels like a computer cpu. It loads webpages noticeably faster than Clovertrail not as fast as my desktop, but if you do not have the latest and greatest or you used to laptop CPUs then you will not be complaining. I have not done anything that seriously stress the cpu yet which did not stress the emmc more. If connected to an external monitor or load the right program and I have no doubt you can make the cpu cry but it is hard to do so in this form factor with casual tablet and netbook type programs. For example typing this with the Netflix metro app in the background you see cpu usage at 50% to 66% percent.

Do not expect a laptop out of this, expect a netbook and you will be fine.

The screen is nice. IPS should be a requirement on all new laptops in my opinion. The resolution is 1366x768, yes you can see the individual pixels but it is not painful and is fine for me. I do wish the screen is a higher res not for PPI but for more of a webpage shown at once and more options for windows snap. One thing that is different about Baytrail atom vs Clovertrail atom is that baytrail uses Intel instead of powevr for graphics. Powervr only supported 1:1 resolution, thus if the computer had to use a smaller resolution for a program you got black bars on the left and right as well as the top and bottom. For example play Diablo 2 on Clovertrail and due to the highest resolution supported being 800x600 and thus the game only takes up 45 percent of the screen.

I have no complaints about the speakers.

The weight of the t100 without dock is is 19.2 oz vs 23.2 oz those 4 ounces is a substantial differences of usability.

The dock is sturdy, the keyboard is nice with firm keys and the right amount of travel. The keyboard does not use full size keys but all netbooks smaller than 12.1 inches have to use a smaller keyboard. One thing I do not understand the dock is why there is only usb 3 port on the left side, they could have put a usb port even a usb 2 on the right side.

Webcams in the front none on the back. I do not webchat so I am fine with the quality.

For some reason Asus ships these tablets at 0% charge. I understand not having a full charge but most suppliers ship devices with a partial charge about 30% for this is better for the battery and if you do not finish a windows or android initial setup you may corrupt your install.

Under the volume button on the side they put a windows start key button, to make it easier to go to the start screen.

What programs do you want me to try?
 
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Price is great. But 2gb of RAM is a little low going into 2014. But I suppose I can't complain because of the price tag.
 
Disk speed info
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Forgot to mention while it was not listed on the box, other Asus laptops have a sticker on to box mentioning 1 year ADP, but I was able to register for free the 1 year accidental warranty here.

http://notebookcare.asus.com/Conten...n/warrantyactivation_index.aspx?type=Consumer

Which retailers are excluded from the ADP program?
These retailers are currently among the companies that do NOT participate in the Accidental Damage Protection: Best Buy USA/CAD (stores and website), OfficeMax (stores and website), Staples USA (stores and website), Costco Wholesale (warehouses only), Office Depot (stores and website), Wal-Mart (stores and website).
 
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I've been thinking about this and the Venue 8 Pro. Two very different form factors, but both under $400.

I like the feel and quality of the Venue 8 Pro, but I already have a Nexus 7 2013 and iPad Mini 2, so I dunno if I should keep the VP8.

I played with the ASUS at BestBuy and my first impression wasn't that positive. It felt cheap and really plasticky. And the glossy back kinda kills me. ASUS had been doing so good with making nice matte backed tablets, not sure why they suddenly decided to pull a Samsung on us with the T100.

How is that glossy plastic back? Does it get slippery after a while when the tablet warms up your hands? I had this problem with the Samsung 500T.

And the keyboard, you mentioned the key travel felt fine. I had a Lenovo Lynx last year and that was the worst freaking keyboard ever. Often key strokes wouldn't register unless I was hammering down pretty hard. Besides the size, does it type reliably?

That eMMC performance is pretty nice, quite a bit better than the Dell Venue 8 Pro.
 
That eMMC performance is pretty nice, quite a bit better than the Dell Venue 8 Pro.

The dell has much faster random writes, sequential writes are practically identical. The Asus has faster sequential reads and somewhat faster random reads. I rather have faster random writes than faster sequential reads.

The back is glossy and it is plastic, it has not felt slippery yet.

I had no problems typing with the dock, with no apparent key losses.
 
Very cool, I don't think that storage is too slow. Compare to my Adata S596 (I'll take this moment to discourage people from ever buying Adata products):



and my ATIV 500t (Clovertrail):



Decent improvement vs: the last gen tablets, though I guess neither would be considered fast. I could see how with only 2gb of RAM it could actually be bottlenecked by the IO instead of the Atom. Wouldn't mind having that issue :biggrin:
 
I wish some higher quality Baytrail tablets would arrive already. These 1280x800 and 1366x768 displays are kinda depressing me.
 
I've been thinking about this and the Venue 8 Pro. Two very different form factors, but both under $400.

I like the feel and quality of the Venue 8 Pro, but I already have a Nexus 7 2013 and iPad Mini 2, so I dunno if I should keep the VP8.

I played with the ASUS at BestBuy and my first impression wasn't that positive. It felt cheap and really plasticky. And the glossy back kinda kills me. ASUS had been doing so good with making nice matte backed tablets, not sure why they suddenly decided to pull a Samsung on us with the T100.

How is that glossy plastic back? Does it get slippery after a while when the tablet warms up your hands? I had this problem with the Samsung 500T.

And the keyboard, you mentioned the key travel felt fine. I had a Lenovo Lynx last year and that was the worst freaking keyboard ever. Often key strokes wouldn't register unless I was hammering down pretty hard. Besides the size, does it type reliably?

That eMMC performance is pretty nice, quite a bit better than the Dell Venue 8 Pro.


I would say go with the T100 over the 8 Pro. The 8 has the 3740D, which has single channel memory and uses DDR3L instead of LPDDR3, which has lower power states while the T100 uses the regular 3740, which supports dual channel and LPDDR3. The glossy back is a fingerprint magnet, but you can buy a skin for the back.

Of course, I would probably rather go with the Venue 11 Pro over the T100, but the shipping date isn't until Dec 19th, while you can find the T100 in stores right now.

Overall, I wish the drive choices were 64/128 GB and the memory was 4GB standard.
 
You can sugar coat it if you like, but this is the disqualifier. Not only low-res, but 16:9... Not sure why Microsoft seems to be mandating that ratio.

Color and viewing angles do matter, and when you are using the tablet with dock as a netbook viewing distance makes this a non problem.

Yes of course it can be better, I am not sugarcoating it.
 
Of course, I would probably rather go with the Venue 11 Pro over the T100
Even the Bay Trail Venue 11 Pro is a brick. It's lighter than the Surface Pro/Pro2, but that's not saying much -- it's still quite a bit heavier than any 10" Android or the T100.

Color and viewing angles do matter, and when you are using the tablet with dock as a netbook viewing distance makes this a non problem.
I've used a TF Prime + dock since it first released. The low res is quite visible and quite irritating.

No 10" tablet anyone has heard of has bad color or viewing angles.

Anyway, just here to warn y'all that all current Bay Trail devices will be obsolete sooner than you think (Q1 2014).
 
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No 10" tablet anyone has heard of has bad color or viewing angles.

Anyway, just here to warn y'all that all current Bay Trail devices will be obsolete sooner than you think (Q1 2014).

You are being obtuse. I stated all laptops should have ips screen by now. The Transformer 100 is both an ultraportable windows machine and a tablet. When you edit someones quote and change the sentence structure you shouldn't use the quote box for you are no longer quoting them!

But on tablets
Motorola Xoom
Several Acer Android Tablets and Window Tablets
both lack an ips screen and were 10." You also see less of an ips on the cheaper tablets in the smaller sizes or the off brands. Getting an ips screen on an ultraportable is practically unheard of until you spend greater than $500 with the exception of the t100 and the acer v5 11.6" with the amd 10 watt parts.
 
Well you have convinced me. For my needs this is perfect. Stopping at Worst Buy tonight to check it out. I have been trying to find an in-depth review of this or a user review for a while. Thanks.
 
Anyway, just here to warn y'all that all current Bay Trail devices will be obsolete sooner than you think (Q1 2014).

The Atom is already 64 bit, that article is more about Android and I don't think it's something to really get excited about now, I think it'll take time for those benefits to show up.

We do know there are better Atom processors coming, the Atom 3770 will support up to 4GB of RAM. The 3770 isn't going to make the 3740 obsolete. It's just a different tier. We are seeing the 3740 in a lot of $300-400 products. Hopefully the 3770 will show up in higher quality products with 1080p minimum displays in the $500 price range. The cheaper products won't be obsolete because of it though.
 
The dell has much faster random writes, sequential writes are practically identical. The Asus has faster sequential reads and somewhat faster random reads. I rather have faster random writes than faster sequential reads.

The back is glossy and it is plastic, it has not felt slippery yet.

I had no problems typing with the dock, with no apparent key losses.
roland00address what would be your thoughts on the asus vs the Dell Venue Pro11

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FFVYUQY/...I2ZIID8FR8TYBN
i am 99% convinced i am getting the asus transformer
 
Dell Venue 11 Pro looks pretty nice. Though for the tablet and keyboard it'll cost almost twice as much as the ASUS T100.

The 1.7 pound weight is a little disappointing. But I really like the full used USB and HDMI ports on the tablet. The build quality looks better. And it's got a faster Atom 3770.

There is also a digitizer. I hope it's not using the same crap digitizer and pen that the Venue 8 Pro is using.
 
roland00address what would be your thoughts on the asus vs the Dell Venue Pro11

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FFVYUQY/...I2ZIID8FR8TYBN
i am 99% convinced i am getting the asus transformer

The dell venue pro 11 does not come out to dec 13 if I recall. A lot about tablets is hands on impressions, look, feel, weight, weight distribution, sound, screen, etc. Thus I will not speculate on which is better till it is in my hand, that said I am interested and I was the original author of the dell tablet thread in this forums.

That said is is probably to big and heavy for me personally as a tablet, I disliked the size of my clovertrail dell latitude 10 tablet and the new venue pro is bigger and heavier (even the atom model) since it is almost a 11 inch. The 4 ounces lighter the t100 has over the latitude 10 is a big deal.
 
But Windows for tablets isn't. And my bet is that when 64 bit with connected standby appears, the RAM floor will jump to 4gb even on the low end.

I doubt it. Some of these Atom chip, like the 3740D in the Venue 8 Pro, don't support more than 2GB of RAM.

I think 4GB will be the floor next fall though.
 
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The dell venue pro 11 does not come out to dec 13 if I recall. A lot about tablets is hands on impressions, look, feel, weight, weight distribution, sound, screen, etc. Thus I will not speculate on which is better till it is in my hand, that said I am interested and I was the original author of the dell tablet thread in this forums.

That said is is probably to big and heavy for me personally as a tablet, I disliked the size of my clovertrail dell latitude 10 tablet and the new venue pro is bigger and heavier (even the atom model) since it is almost a 11 inch. The 4 ounces lighter the t100 has over the latitude 10 is a big deal.
ok, thanx for your opinion. my friends wife has discount for dell stuff from where she works so i may end up with it instead.
 
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