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Asus ROG Strix RX480 OC vs MSI Gaming GTX 1060 OC [HardOCP]

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Outdated benchmark suite, we know how the cards really stack up thanks to hardwarecanucks.
 
Det0x said:
Outdated benchmark suite, we know how the cards really stack up thanks to hardwarecanucks.
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Outdated? LOL whatever, just because it doesn't suit your outlook.. The HWC review also used a very basic model and he admits it in his review:

Now to be completely honest with you, this is an extremely basic GTX 1060 without any of the upgrades seen on more expensive cards.
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The HardOCP review on the other hand uses very high quality models for both camps, and both are highly overclocked which is likely what you'd expect from the people that are buying these cards..
 
Mostly DX11 titles so yes, outdated.

Its interesting that Doom, the 480 beats the 1060 despite not being able to overclock as well.
 
Ancalagon44 said:
Mostly DX11 titles so yes, outdated.
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Actually, most of those titles are either DX12, DX12 capable or in the case of Doom, uses the Vulkan API The fact that HardOCP still tested the DX12 capable titles in DX11 mode goes to show the state of DX12 today. The DX12 rendering path for most games is SLOWER than the DX11 path. This is true for Battlefield 1, and Deus Ex MD in most setups.

There are only just a few DX12 titles out right now that actually offer better performance in DX12 mode, or have great DX12 performance for both vendors. Gears 4 and Ashes of the Singularity are the best examples of what DX12 has to offer right now. The Division is OK as well. Obviously this will improve over time however..

Its interesting that Doom, the 480 beats the 1060 despite not being able to overclock as well.
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This is because of shader intrinsics. The RX480 is using the console optimized shaders, which gives it a big advantage. Eventually NVidia will get this as well though..
 
I wonder how much cheaper a guy would get the GTX980TI successor in the "step-up program" from club green elite, compared to those not inclined to drink the kool aid 😳

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OBS, seems like i posted in the wrong thread 🙂
 
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Why in gods name would anyone buy this monster of a card? A GTX 1060 6GB mini costs less, weighs less, runs cooler, uses less power, is quieter, and more importantly, performs better...
 
Carfax83 said:
Actually, most of those titles are either DX12, DX12 capable or in the case of Doom, uses the Vulkan API The fact that HardOCP still tested the DX12 capable titles in DX11 mode goes to show the state of DX12 today. The DX12 rendering path for most games is SLOWER than the DX11 path. This is true for Battlefield 1, and Deus Ex MD in most setups.

There are only just a few DX12 titles out right now that actually offer better performance in DX12 mode, or have great DX12 performance for both vendors. Gears 4 and Ashes of the Singularity are the best examples of what DX12 has to offer right now. The Division is OK as well. Obviously this will improve over time however..
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Uh then why are so many other reviews moving over to DX12 and Vulkan testing? Less and less people use DX11.

EDIT: I'm seeing higher framerates for DX12 here.

And, that Hardware Canucks review tests both DX12 and DX11, and Deus ex: MD is faster in DX12. As we all expected.

This is because of shader intrinsics. The RX480 is using the console optimized shaders, which gives it a big advantage. Eventually NVidia will get this as well though..
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When you say Nvidia will get this, what do you mean? Will Nvidia themselves patch their drivers to make them perform better? Or does ID have to do the work?
 
Ancalagon44 said:
Mostly DX11 titles so yes, outdated.

Its interesting that Doom, the 480 beats the 1060 despite not being able to overclock as well.
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Most games are not DX12 and unless I missed the "all future games will be DX12 and have amazing reasons to be run in DX12" memo, a review with mixed DX paths seems fair.

I like that they don't use time demos and look for playable settings.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1060_STRIX_OC/26.html

TPUs review of an OCd 1060 showed it 11% faster than a stock speed 480, so I'm not exactly shocked OCd 480 vs OCd 1060 trades benches and are generally close.
 
Carfax83 said:
Actually, most of those titles are either DX12, DX12 capable or in the case of Doom, uses the Vulkan API The fact that HardOCP still tested the DX12 capable titles in DX11 mode goes to show the state of DX12 today. The DX12 rendering path for most games is SLOWER than the DX11 path. This is true for Battlefield 1, and Deus Ex MD in most setups...
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No it does not, it shows the state of HardOCP's testing as Deus Ex is much faster in DX12 today on the RX 480 and I'm sure BF1 is too.

He also seems to have a golden sample OC on the 1060 and not near so much on the 480.
 
Ancalagon44 said:
Uh then why are so many other reviews moving over to DX12 and Vulkan testing? Less and less people use DX11.
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Are you serious? The vast majority of titles today are still DX11 primarily. DX12 is still mostly an afterthought for most developers, hence the lackluster performance. Only Gears 4 is the purest example of a DX12 game, as it was built from the ground up to use DX12.

EDIT: I'm seeing higher framerates for DX12 here.

And, that Hardware Canucks review tests both DX12 and DX11, and Deus ex: MD is faster in DX12. As we all expected.
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For the Radeons it's faster, and only barely at that. For NVidia, it's about even or slower.. At any rate, I wouldn't call Deus Ex MD a good example of what DX12 can offer. It's fair, but definitely not in the same class as Gears of War 4 or Ashes of the Singularity.

When you say Nvidia will get this, what do you mean? Will Nvidia themselves patch their drivers to make them perform better? Or does ID have to do the work?
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It has to be implemented by Khronos group, of which NVidia is a part of. AMD got it first because the consoles are already using GCN hardware, so it was easier to implement. Also, Vulkan is a direct derivative of Mantle. NVidia already supports shader intrinsic functions and has for a long time, but it needs to be exposed through NVAPI or CUDA. That's partly why certain engines or games run so fast in DX11 mode on NVidia. Engines like Frostbite 3 and Unreal Engine 4 use NVAPI, which can seriously enhance performance..
 
Sven_eng said:
No it does not, it shows the state of HardOCP's testing as Deus Ex is much faster in DX12 today on the RX 480 and I'm sure BF1 is too.
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Show me the benches..

He also seems to have a golden sample OC on the 1060 and not near so much on the 480.
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I haven't seen one review of an RX480 that manages to get a stable 1.4ghz overclock other than the one I linked to in my OP. 1.4ghz is likely the max or near max you can get on an RX480 using air cooling.

Also 2.1ghz isn't extraordinary for the GTX 1060...
 
the fact that they are dx11 only does matter. Do I want to give up 3-10 fps now or gain potentially more later when the games are more demanding?
 
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hardocp has some really bad inconsistency in their benchmark methodology. Games like The Division which are more demanding and graphically more impressive have been removed from their test suite while older titles like Fallout 4 with graphics not as impressive continue to remain. The best part is they say they continue to look for titles which show improved performance in DX12. What better example than The Division which shows good gains on 1080, Fury X and Rx 480 using DX12.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12...iagramm-the-division-mit-directx-12-1920-1080
 
This review is basically the same conclusion as the hardware canuks review. Both cards perform very close to one another, one has more vram, and the other consumes considerably less power when both are pushed. Whichever is faster in a given benchmark suite depends on the games used.
 
Carfax83 said:
Show me the benches..
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Deus Ex Mankind has been shown to gain performance even though it may be 4-5%

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...3945-gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-updated-review-4.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...3945-gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-updated-review-9.html

Division gains performance in DX12
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12/the-division-dx12-benchmark/

Rise of the Tomb Raider gains performance in DX12
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12...4/#diagramm-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-1920-1080

hardocp is basically not even trying to bench the games best representative of DX12 capability (those which show perf gains over DX11) . Instead they chose graphically obsolete and unimpressive games like Fallout 4.

btw hwc specifically mentioned that they did this review to add the latest and most popular AAA titles. Rx 480 is killing GTX 1060 in COD Infinite Warfare and Titanfall2.

https://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficz...tanfall_2_pc_titan_nie_jest_wymagany?page=0,6

https://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficz...f_duty_infinite_warfare_pc_prawdziwy?page=0,6

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...3945-gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-updated-review-3.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...3945-gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-updated-review-7.html

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-11/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare-benchmark/2/
 
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raghu78 said:
hardocp has some really bad inconsistency in their benchmark methodology. Games like The Division which are more demanding and graphically more impressive have been removed from their test suite while older titles like Fallout 4 with graphics not as impressive continue to remain. The best part is they say they continue to look for titles which show improved performance in DX12. What better example than The Division which shows good gains on 1080, Fury X and Rx 480 using DX12.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12...iagramm-the-division-mit-directx-12-1920-1080
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maybe they are waiting for one that shows improvement for both amd and nvidia. good luck with that.
 
I'd like to see the DOOM results in OpenGL, because the Vulkan results look terrible in terms of variable frame rates.

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Bacon1 said:
Most people don't overclock highly, or even at all.
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Easily countered with most people don't under volt either, a practice highly touted among die-hard AMD users since AMD GPU's in the last few cycles suck at efficiency out of the box. Anyways, got some stats to back up your (or my) claim when people buy cards in this price range that are advertised and tricked out to better OC?
 
tviceman said:
Easily countered with most people don't under volt either, a practice highly touted among die-hard AMD users since AMD GPU's in the last few cycles suck at efficiency out of the box.
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100% correct. Just because you can easily do it doesn't mean everyone, or most people do. That is why the "out of box" experience is so important.

tviceman said:
Anyways, got some stats to back up your (or my) claim when people buy cards in this price range that are advertised and tricked out to better OC?
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Well we have no sale numbers for how many people buy the super expensive parts nor information on how each of those people OC them, so no there is no data to support people OC them heavily at all.

Also people buying the pre-OC'd versions for more money shows that they want an OC'd experience out of the box instead of having to do it themselves.

I don't want this thread to go off topic on this, just wanted to point out that the claim most people heavily OC was not based on facts.
 
tviceman said:
Easily countered with most people don't under volt either, a practice highly touted among die-hard AMD users since AMD GPU's in the last few cycles suck at efficiency out of the box. Anyways, got some stats to back up your (or my) claim when people buy cards in this price range that are advertised and tricked out to better OC?
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the cards are advertised as OC-ed. Not necessarily to be overclocked. People buy them because they are fancy and have better cooling, among other reasons. Personally dont know anyone that leaves their cards overclocked, definitely not to the max. So many people wont even know how to
 
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