asus k8v se deluxe vs msi neo platinum

mastrduke

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which mobo do u guys prefer with ur amd 64 systems?

do both have firewire?
which has better onboard sound?
which is more stable?
i dont plan on ocing so that doesnt matter
 

mastrduke

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nobody has an opinion on this?
i find that very hard to believe...come on people which is better
 

jkresh

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If you dont plan on overlcocking and dont care about the firewall then go with the asus. Though if you can wait till the end of the month (july) the k8n-e should be available and it would be the best of both worlds. I have the msi and I am rma'ing (series problems and they first said they would support my chip (dtr) now they say no). Getting an asrock (asus value board) and may send that back and get the k8n-e (when it becomes available) assuming it is worth the upgrade.
 

Odeen

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Onboard audio generally sucks. Why spend so much on a CPU just to waste CPU cycles on soft audio?

Secondly, Asus breaks more of Alex' Cardinal Rules of Motherboard Manufacturing. Specifically, it puts devices on the PCI bus that duplicate the functionality of the southbridge controllers. More specifically, instead of using a PHY to implement the other two SATA ports that the VT8237 supports, the Asus puts a Promise PCI controller on the board. Instead of the built-in VT8237 LAN, a PCI Gigabit Ethernet controller is used.

You only have 133 megs per second (theoretically) of bandwidth on the PCI bus. Via does not have the most efficient implementation of a PCI bus, either. So, 2x SATA = 300 megabytes/sec. 2x Firewire = 80mb/sec. Full-duplex gigabit ethernet = 250megabytes/sec. 630 megabytes per second of potential load on the PCI bus BEFORE any peripherals are installed. Picture trying to suck eggs through a garden hose.

The MSI has all 4 SATA ports powered by the NF3-250 chip, as is the LAN. Your PCI bus is free to handle video capture, firewire, sound (Get a nice sound card, you won't regret it) and anything else you decide to stick in the white slots.

The MSI, in my opinion, deserves our business in an effort to get the manufacturers to keep their hands off our PCI bus.
 

AnnoyedGrunt

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I don't own either one, but from what I've read I prefer the MSI for the reasons Odeen stated above.

However, if you try and use a A64 DTR or A64 mobile, it sounds like the MSI is likely to have problems (not sure about the ASUS). For a standard A64, I'd get the MSI.

Here is some specific info:
ASUS:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-490&depa=1

MSI:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-457&depa=1

ASUS = 2x 1394, 6 CH Audio

MSI = 3X 1394, 7.1 CH Audio

Both seem to have the necessary features, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'd look more at stability, price, layout, and design.

-D'oh!
 

mastrduke

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right now it looks like the msi neo platinum...id really like more input before i go buy all of the parts for my new system...
 

einsig

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Originally posted by: jkresh
If you dont plan on overlcocking and dont care about the firewall then go with the asus. Though if you can wait till the end of the month (july) the k8n-e should be available and it would be the best of both worlds. I have the msi and I am rma'ing (series problems and they first said they would support my chip (dtr) now they say no). Getting an asrock (asus value board) and may send that back and get the k8n-e (when it becomes available) assuming it is worth the upgrade.

Although I'm sure the new ASUS board will be nice, there is no way of knowing it too will be issue free. I'm using the previous ASUS A64 solution and let me tell you it has had more than its share of issues since release. From exploding and leaky capacitors, loud interference noises, RAM instability, horrible OCs (K8T800's fault), and stability problems. My first K8V Dlx baord was bad. The second one was right on the money and BIOS updates have fixed a lot of issues. However it took months for the big problems to get solved.

I'm not trying to rag on you or ASUS, but a lot of people seem to be giving up on MSI for the other brands that aren't even to market with this chipset. The same things could go wrong for other manufacturers and I just would hate to see someone jump on another brand new board only to have issues all over again.
 

calam63

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my k8v has no problems at all- except that it is picky about memory - ever since i put in a new stick of ram - it has gone 24/7 since it was built
 

Bad Dude

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I would get the Asus K8V SE Deluxe as I have tried with no problem at all. Ran the first time. Also, since Athlon64 memory controller is on chip, has any one ever wonder if it's the chip and not the board?
 

preAARP

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I have the MSI and can only add that I am finding the Tech Support cumbersome (at best)...I have yet to speak to a real person...if I can't get the issue resolved I'll look for user feedback on how the ASUS K8N-e Deluxe (due out later this month) does.

I would advise that if you are buying a NEW model, to wait and see what issues crop up from the first wave of buyers. I bought the MSI Neo 'pre-order' and it may turn out that it cost me both time and money(as I voided all RMA options with watercooling). Set up the board (BIOS, RAID, and OS) 'up-and-running' before doing anything to void the warranty.