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Astronomy people: I'm telescope shopping. Got my eye on one here. Comments?

Do you really want the Go To functionality? You can get a better one if you skip the Go To.

What are you wanting to observe? Objects with high levels of radiation like the moon, or distant stars/galaxies? If the latter you'll need an aperture > 5" most likely.
 
It's not bad. Meade is a decent name, but for the love of god I'd be uncomfortable buying it at Walmart.

Personally, I'd go for a large apature Dobsonian (you could probably get a 6 or possibly even a 8") for amateur stargazing.

Especially if its your first scope, I'd stay away from the computerized mounts. Go big if you can wing it. I'd also recomend a store that knows telescopes to buy one from. When you have questions (and you will!) it's good to have an experienced salesperson that can help you.

I'd buy one over the net before a department store.

I own a 10" dobsonian
 
Originally posted by: bernse
It's not bad. Meade is a decent name, but for the love of god I'd be uncomfortable buying it at Walmart.

Personally, I'd go for a large apature Dobsonian (you could probably get a 6 or possibly even a 8") for amateur stargazing.

Especially if its your first scope, I'd stay away from the computerized mounts. Go big if you can wing it. I'd also recomend a store that knows telescopes to buy one from. When you have questions (and you will!) it's good to have an experienced salesperson that can help you.

I'd buy one over the net before a department store.

I own a 10" dobsonian

Yes, I'm kind of new to telescopes. The one I've got now (a gift, years ago) has an absolutely amazing (yes, sarcasm there) 30x max magnification. I have always liked space, and just about anything relevant to it.
Nearest telescope place I can find (and one of the only in the area, at least in the Yellowpages) is Dan's Camera City. Are they any good?

Oh, the Walmart - I used that link simply because I work at a Walmart.
 
Read this

Answers some common questions.

First off, pay no (or very little!) attention to the Magnification (or X) rating. That is not nearly as important as the light gathering ability of the scope. A 1000x mag is useless with a 2" scope! 🙂

When I have my scope set up in my yard, my neighbors often come over. A common question is "How far can you see with it?"

I usually answer "Oh, a few thousand years or so.... maybe a million or two on a good night."

My advice: Buy as big of an aparture you can afford, and get a dobsonian mount. Very easy to control and you'll get great bang for the $$.

 
Unless you live in the boonies, you don't need any telescope with more than a 4" apeture.

Unless you live in the boonies, you can't see anything deep-sky except the brightest objects.

The problem with the scope you're interested in is that although it has a 5" mirror, the effective size of the mirror will be about 28% less than that due to the secondary mirror blocks the primary.

Since you're just most likely going to be a casual observer, get yourself a refractor for a cheaper price, then buy peripherals with the saved money.

More eyepieces. Plossl at least.
A 2X barlow lens. This will enable you to use 3 eyepieces with magnification values of 6 different eyepieces.

The math is easy. You take the focal length of the telescope and divide the eyepiece into it.

You have a 1000mm focal length scope, a 25 mm will give you 40X power.

With a 2x barlow, 80x and so on.



 
Well the Meade one doesn't seem deceptive (don't know if I'll get that one; I might go to Dan's tomorrow) - they list 795x as the max magnification with the included lenses, but it says right there that over 350x is not recommended.

I am in the boonies. It's about 10 miles to just about anything, except cows, fields, and trees.

From the FAQ:
"NEVER LOOK DIRECTLY INTO THE SUN WITHOUT AN APPROPRIATE SOLAR FILTER AND TRAINING ON HOW TO SAFELY USE A SOLAR FILTER!!!"

But what if I want to etch a replica of the sun's disc onto my retinas???
 
Since you're in the boonies, get a dobsonian scope at least with an 8" apeture. The reason why is that you'll get decent images of planets and you'll be able to see many of the brighter deep sky objects.

Half the learning experience and fun is taking a star chart and trying to search for whatever object you are looking for. The computerized goto is lazy.

 
Another thought is going to a local astronomy club, if you have one. My local club is meeting tonight on stellar evolution and the detection of neutrinos. They usually have a "star party" every month too where everyone goes out to the "boonies" to do some gazing. That would be a good time to ask people questions, try out some scopes, etc.

Good luck!

 
during elementary school, it took me 4-5 hours to find saturn.....and it was fun...i agree w/ kiyup that it's funner to look at a starchart and look for bodies yourself then have the computer do it for u.

get the DS-2114ATS or DS-2130ATS if you're going to get one from meade...yes meade is good....when i was in high school i researched telescopes because i wanted one (already had a crappy one my parents bought me when i was really really into astronomy when i was younger) ...yeah u said DS-2140ATS....they take up less space
 
Originally posted by: Descartes
Another thought is going to a local astronomy club, if you have one. My local club is meeting tonight on stellar evolution and the detection of neutrinos. They usually have a "star party" every month too where everyone goes out to the "boonies" to do some gazing. That would be a good time to ask people questions, try out some scopes, etc.

Good luck!

Forgot about this thread.

This is excellent advice! If you have a college or university in your hometown, you can probably get set up with people through there too.
 
If you are a beginner, I would highly recommend a Dobsonian, either 6" or 8". Such a scope will show you numerous examples of each of the major classes of objects, including planets, galaxies, open clusters, globular clusters, and the various types of nebulae. It also allows you to dispense with the complexities of equatorial mounts and Goto systems, and allows you to spend more time observing. Also remember that portability is always a concern...as the saying goes, the best scope is the one you use the most. Smaller Dobsonians are easy to carry and can be set up in mere minutes.

As for where to buy, avoid department and camera stores like the plague. Buy from a dedicated telescope dealer, even if it means you have to spend a little bit more. When it comes time for support, do you think the Walmart clerk is going to offer you advice that's as good as that coming from the veteran scope users at most telescope stores? For a list of telescope dealers in the US, go here and scroll down to the Telescope Dealers section: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/telescopes_V_000608.html

Feel free to email me if you need any additional advice. My addy is in my profile.
 
Originally posted by: tritium4ever
If you are a beginner, I would highly recommend a Dobsonian, either 6" or 8". Such a scope will show you numerous examples of each of the major classes of objects, including planets, galaxies, open clusters, globular clusters, and the various types of nebulae. It also allows you to dispense with the complexities of equatorial mounts and Goto systems, and allows you to spend more time observing. Also remember that portability is always a concern...as the saying goes, the best scope is the one you use the most. Smaller Dobsonians are easy to carry and can be set up in mere minutes.

As for where to buy, avoid department and camera stores like the plague. Buy from a dedicated telescope dealer, even if it means you have to spend a little bit more. When it comes time for support, do you think the Walmart clerk is going to offer you advice that's as good as that coming from the veteran scope users at most telescope stores? For a list of telescope dealers in the US, go here and scroll down to the Telescope Dealers section: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/telescopes_V_000608.html

Feel free to email me if you need any additional advice. My addy is in my profile.


Hey believe me, I'm not going to expect support from Walmart. I work there. 😛
Dobsonian - I'm not entirely clear now if this is a telescope type or a mount type.
Dedicated telescope store - closest thing I can find is Dan's Camera City, which has a selection of a few telescopes, some extending way out of my price range (by thousands of dollars). The guy there was helpful though giving me a quick run through on the basics of telescope types. I don't know of any out-and-out "telescope stores" nearby. I'll probably just borrow my uncle's telescope - he's got, I think it's an 8" diameter scope; it's almost as old as me though. Don't remember what kind he said it is, but it's not a basic reflector design. Problem is finding a time when he's available for me to go pick the scope up.
 
A Dobsonian is a type of mount. It is characterized by its simple altitude-azimuth design and readily accommodates large scopes. In almost all cases, the only type of scope design used on a Dobsonian mount is the Newtonian reflector, though it is possible (if not exactly practical) to mount other types of scope in a Dobsonian mount. A Dobsonian mount also allows large telescopes that would be nearly impossible (or ridiculously expensive) if you had to use an equatorial mount. The reason why small (6-10") Dobsonian mounted reflectors are commonly recommended as the ideal beginner's scope is the fantastic combination of low, price, relatively large aperture, ease of use, and relative portability (compared to the same reflector on an equatorial mount anyway). More than any kind of scope, a Dobsonian has the best balance of those four features that is of primary concern to a beginner (indeed, those four factors are primary concerns for pretty much any amateur astronomer, including experienced ones...that's why you'll see even the grizzled veterans with a Dobsonian of one kind or another).

Here's an example: http://hardinoptical.com/dsh8.html

That Hardin Deep Space Hunter 8" Dobsonian is an example of a great scope. It's cheap at $350, yet it's 8" aperture allows you to see far more than with any $350 refractor. It comes with a good finderscope (8x50, not the smaller 6x30 that's more common) and two good eyepieces, plus a moon filter. As telescopes go, Dobsonians offer the best bang for the buck, and the 8" ones are specifically the best value of any telescope.

One thing that's always recommended is for you to go to a local star party. Within Pennsylvania (which is where I assume you live, given that there's a Dan's Camera City nearby), there are a number of star parties you can check out: http://chartmarker.tripod.com/state.htm. The advantage of going to one is that you can actually look through other people's scopes to see the differences between them. It'll give you a sense of what looks better than others, and the experienced amateur astronomers will be able to answer your questions and give you specific recommendations. Just as importantly, you will get a sense of the relative sizes of different scopes. Scopes can be utterly gigantic, and the pictures on website and catalogs just don't do them justice. You may think a 14" Meade LX200GPS isn't very large just from the description and a picture (it's only 14" right...I mean that's smaller than a monitor!), but stand next to one and prepare to be amazed at how large and heavy (over 150 pounds) it is when fully assembled. Finally, it'll give you sense of what you can see with a given aperture of scope.
 
Wow, those 14" things are impressive. Just a wee bit out of my price range I'd imagine.
The guy at Dan's said that a computerized/motorized mount is good because it lets you track objects automatically. I'd guess that a Dobsonian would require manual adjustment.
The Hardin Deep Space Hunter you mention - what's its max usable magnification with the included pieces? $350 for an 8" aperature does sound good.
 
While the motorized mount will track automatically (well, thats its main purpose!) I would not recomend one for a beginner. For "looking through the eyepiece and observing" that isn't really critical... its more useful for photography when you need a long exposure on the film. If you're using a REEEALLLY high power lens, it may move out of your field of vision faster than you would like, but its usually a non-issue.

Besides, with a non-computerized mount you have to learn the basics first, which is a good thing!
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Wow, those 14" things are impressive. Just a wee bit out of my price range I'd imagine.
The guy at Dan's said that a computerized/motorized mount is good because it lets you track objects automatically. I'd guess that a Dobsonian would require manual adjustment.
The Hardin Deep Space Hunter you mention - what's its max usable magnification with the included pieces? $350 for an 8" aperature does sound good.

Motorized mounts are good, particularly for high power views of the planets (since the object would drift out of the field of view in under 30 seconds). Surprisingly, hand-tracking is not as tedious as it sounds, and there are certain mods (for $20 or less) you can do to Dobsonians to get even smoother movements for easier tracking. However, motorized mounts cost significantly more than Dobsonian mounts (Dobsonian mounts are almost free, given that they're just a collection of boards screwed together), which means you get less aperture per dollar. However, the convenience of automatic tracking cannot be denied. It's yet another reason to go to a star party...find out if hand tracking bothers you.

With a standard 8" Dobsonian (regardless of brand), the maximum useable magnification will be around 400x, but that's on nights with exceptionally good seeing (i.e. very low atmospheric turbulence). Those kinds of nights are rare. More often, you'll be using low powers (40-80x) to find objects and medium power (80-200x) to get in close. The rule of thumb is this: the maximum useable magnification is the aperture in inches multiplied by 50 (8" aperture x 50 = 400x magnification). The included eyepieces supply 48x and 133x magnification, which are good starting points. Realistically speaking, you won't often use powers over 300x with such a scope, which is fine because most objects (except the planets and the moon) don't take that magnification well.

One of the best things you can buy is a Barlow lens, which essentially supplies a 2x increase in magnification to whatever eyepiece you're using. That way, if you are careful in picking your eyepieces (making sure that a certain eyepiece is not a multiple of another), a Barlow can basically double your eyepiece collection. For example, I own an 8" Dobsonian with 9.7mm, 15mm, and 26mm eyepieces, providing 126x, 81x, and 47x magnification respectively. With the Barlow lens, I also get 252x, 162x, and 94x (double each of the magnifications), so it's like I have six eyepieces even though I really only have three eyepieces and a Barlow lens.

Before I give any more recommendations though, I need to ask a few questions:

1) What is your budget? Aside from the scope, be sure to budget for accessories such as an additional eyepiece or Barlow lens, plus a basic set of star charts.
2) What kind of objects do you want to look at? Are you mainly interested in the planets, or would you prefer to look at deep space objects (DSOs) such as galaxies, star clusters, and nebulae?
3) How far do you have to go to get a decent view of the sky? Can you go to your backyard or driveway to observe? If so, you can buy a larger, less portable scope. If not, then portability is key. In either case, a scope that is portable is always good, because "the best scope is the one you use most often."
4) Where do you plan to store the scope? If you have an unheated garage or shed to store it in, that's great. If it has to be brought out from inside the house, the temperature difference between the scope an the outside ambient temperature will cause the air immediately around the telescope to be slightly warmer, which degrades the image. You'll have to wait for the scope to cool down to ambient air temp before you can get good views. The cooldown time varies...as a general rule, the larger the scope, the longer the cooldown time. Different scope designs have different cooldown times. With a large enough scope (say, 24" and up), you have to keep it near ambient temp all the time or it may never cool down before the sun rises!

Once you have answered those questions, a more specific recommendation can be given.
 
Yeah, that's a good apature size. A lot of people just got for magnification when that in fact means nothing. It's got the autostar which is easy to use unless you're a moron and it's a relfector so it picks up more light. You may want a lense with it though because the light could be too bright to distinguish the colors. No land viewing either unless you get a lense for that too.

But for $300? Sure, sounds good. We used to sell the 114 for that price.
 
Originally posted by: tritium4ever
Before I give any more recommendations though, I need to ask a few questions:

1) What is your budget? Aside from the scope, be sure to budget for accessories such as an additional eyepiece or Barlow lens, plus a basic set of star charts.
2) What kind of objects do you want to look at? Are you mainly interested in the planets, or would you prefer to look at deep space objects (DSOs) such as galaxies, star clusters, and nebulae?
3) How far do you have to go to get a decent view of the sky? Can you go to your backyard or driveway to observe? If so, you can buy a larger, less portable scope. If not, then portability is key. In either case, a scope that is portable is always good, because "the best scope is the one you use most often."
4) Where do you plan to store the scope? If you have an unheated garage or shed to store it in, that's great. If it has to be brought out from inside the house, the temperature difference between the scope an the outside ambient temperature will cause the air immediately around the telescope to be slightly warmer, which degrades the image. You'll have to wait for the scope to cool down to ambient air temp before you can get good views. The cooldown time varies...as a general rule, the larger the scope, the longer the cooldown time. Different scope designs have different cooldown times. With a large enough scope (say, 24" and up), you have to keep it near ambient temp all the time or it may never cool down before the sun rises!

Once you have answered those questions, a more specific recommendation can be given.

1.) Around $400 budget, total hopefully.

2.) Not really sure. Seeing what's out there. 🙂 Planets for sure though.

3.) Backyard is good, except for things near the horizon. Then I might have to go to the fields behind the house. Max of like 1/2 mile maybe. There is a city, Allentown, about...15-20 miles away, but there's generally not a whole lot of light pollution from it over most of the sky - just a bit in the direction of the city. I'd say that less than 30 miles away from home (other direction) is an optimal place for viewing.

4.) Storage? I've got a closet, shed, and garage at my disposal.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7

1.) Around $400 budget, total hopefully.

2.) Not really sure. Seeing what's out there. 🙂 Planets for sure though.

3.) Backyard is good, except for things near the horizon. Then I might have to go to the fields behind the house. Max of like 1/2 mile maybe. There is a city, Allentown, about...15-20 miles away, but there's generally not a whole lot of light pollution from it over most of the sky - just a bit in the direction of the city. I'd say that less than 30 miles away from home (other direction) is an optimal place for viewing.

4.) Storage? I've got a closet, shed, and garage at my disposal.

1) Within the $400 range, you have fairly few options. Your choices include 6" and 8" Dobsonians (1, 2), small 60-80mm computer-controlled scopes (1, 2, 3), and 80-100mm refractors on equatorial mounts (1, 2).

Of those options, by far the best value and the best general purpose scopes are the Dobsonians. Its aperture and focal length are perfect for viewing all kinds of objects. No they don't track as easily as other types of scope, but they make up for this with their versatility. With regards to the computer controlled scopes, the only real negative is the fact that the aperture is very limited. Finally, the equatorially mounted refractors in that price range also offer limited aperture (though larger than that of the computer controlled scopes). The bigger problem is that low cost refractors tend to be undermounted, that is, the mounts are not quite sturdy enough for the instruments that are placed on them. The result is a jiggly mount, which makes the image quiver in a light breeze and whenever you try to focus.

2) This presents somewhat of a dilemma. On the one hand, tracking planets is a lot easier with equatorial mounts. On the other hand, the small refractors that are available to you don't take high magnification very well (remember the magnification rule of thumb...max useful mag = aperture in inches x 50, or aperture in millimetres x 2). With the planets, you need high magnification to get good views, simply because they are so tiny. Even Mars at its closest this past August was 70 times smaller in apparent diameter than the moon, and the moon is only half a degree wide (your pinkie finger at arm's length is about one degree wide). Now, it is about 95 times smaller than the moon. Saturn and Jupiter are much better than Mars simply because they are larger, but even then you need at least 125x to get a good view. That's a tough assignment for an 80mm refractor on a jiggly mount.

The Dobsonians will be a better choice in this price range. Yes you will have to track manually in both axes (whereas you only have to track along one axis with an equatorial mount), but the higher useable magnification is a huge benefit. Furthermore, the resolution of a scope increases linearly with aperture, so an 8" (200mm) Dobsonian will be able to resolve details half as large as a 100mm refractor (this is somewhat of a simplification, but it illustrates the point). For objects as tiny as the planets, resolution is critical to sharp views. There's no sense zooming up close if the planet is a featureless blob.

3) The Dobsonians are the least portable of the bunch, but that's not to say that it's bad. If you have a car with a back seat and a trunk, you're set. The long tube goes in the back seat, and the "rocker box" (the Dobsonian in a Dobsonian scope) goes into the trunk. Nevertheless, the other scopes still win on portability. There's no getting around that.

If you can view most of the sky from your backyard or driveway, that's usually good enough. For comparison purposes, my observing location on my driveway sucks...light pollution is horrible in Toronto, trees block a big portion of the eastern sky, my house blocks the lower part of the southern sky, and the western sky is obscured with the double-whammy of a huge tree and a streetlight right behind it. Still, my line of sight is good to about 45 degrees from overhead (i.e. half-way between the horizon and overhead in each direction). That's important because you won't often look at things near the horizon, simply because you'll be looking through a thicker layer of Earth's atmosphere (which distorts images to a degree). Looking overhead, you're observing through the thinnest layer of air, which provides the clearest view. So assuming that the view from your backyard is only half as bad as mine, it's still more than enough.

4) Perfect...that's about as good as it gets. It'll be better to put it in the garage rather than the shed because the garage is bigger and thus is less prone to temperature changes. Temperature changes are bad (particularly if your area is generally humid), because as the air warms up in the morning, water will condense onto colder objects that are below the dew point. Dew is a major problem for telescope optics, leaving nasty deposits and attacking the delicate coatings. Of the various types of scopes, reflectors (of which Dobsonians are a subset) are the least prone to dew because the primary mirror sits way back inside the tube and has a long shaft of air in front of it to resist temperature change. On the other hand, refractors have their lenses at the front of the tube, directly exposed to outside air.

I'm probably exaggerating a bit here on the dangers of dew. If your car's windows don't dew up while it is in your garage overnight, then your scope is perfectly safe in there. My garage is like that, and I suspect most others are too. Garages that are part of the house are better in this regard, because heat from inside the house will leak over into the garage and keep it a bit warmer than outside air, preventing dew. In any case, telescopes should always be covered when not in use, and that goes a long way in preventing dew.
 
I really like my celestron G-5.

it's a schmidt cassegranian design, 5 inch. it was a gift to me by my father.

i'll aggree, never look at the X-rating of a telescope. those stupid ones you see in the store with 1000x magnification give you nothing but "Mega Fuzzy". coatings on optics really plays an important role here, so you wanna go with a company with a good reputation. Celestron is good, Meade is good, Zeiss, Leica, are excellent.

the primary advantage of schmidt casseggranian over newtonian or dobsonian of equal quality is portability. the advantage of newtonian is price, and weight (a heavier telescope is harder to disturb), and the advantage of a dobsonian is well... i've never used a dobsonian so i wont claim to know. schmidt casseggranians are more expensive, though, so i guess not the best choice for you.

My father has a 5 foot tube newtonian with a 10 inch apeture. but my G-5 is clearer. Quality of optics plays a HUGE role in the colors and clarity of objects you see. when i looked at saturn through his telescope, i could see a "sillouette negative(black background, white saturn) of saturn and it's rings. no distinction. through my telescope, i can easily see color, and separate the rings from the planet.


when mars was really close to earth, i was even able to see the icy polar cap. that was impressive.
 
Originally posted by: tritium4ever4) Perfect...that's about as good as it gets. It'll be better to put it in the garage rather than the shed because the garage is bigger and thus is less prone to temperature changes. Temperature changes are bad (particularly if your area is generally humid), because as the air warms up in the morning, water will condense onto colder objects that are below the dew point. Dew is a major problem for telescope optics, leaving nasty deposits and attacking the delicate coatings. Of the various types of scopes, reflectors (of which Dobsonians are a subset) are the least prone to dew because the primary mirror sits way back inside the tube and has a long shaft of air in front of it to resist temperature change. On the other hand, refractors have their lenses at the front of the tube, directly exposed to outside air.

I'm probably exaggerating a bit here on the dangers of dew. If your car's windows don't dew up while it is in your garage overnight, then your scope is perfectly safe in there. My garage is like that, and I suspect most others are too. Garages that are part of the house are better in this regard, because heat from inside the house will leak over into the garage and keep it a bit warmer than outside air, preventing dew. In any case, telescopes should always be covered when not in use, and that goes a long way in preventing dew.

i wouldnt be too worried about dew and dust and such. also, if i'm not mistaken, the dobsonians arent a sealed system. thus, dust gets inside, and you have to clean the mirrors and such a lot more often than you would with a schmidt casseggranian.

i keep a cover on my telescope when it's not in use. a cap to cover both the lens and the eyepiece, and a sheet over the whole deal (it's always on it's mount) so that it's not super dusty when i want to use it.

i take it out at night after dew has set, and let it climatize to the night air before using it. then when i'm done, i immediately replace the caps, and take it back inside, let it dry off completely (any small amount of condensation) then replace the sheet.
 
as for star charts, if you buy the celestron, it comes with a program that gives you a set of star charts for whenever you want. do you want to know where the great nebula of orion will be at 3:00 PM, august 7, 3010? it'll do it. comes with everything that's entered into the NGC, and all messier objects. and even the moon 😛
 
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