Assuming that we can get rid of all CO2 in the atmosphere...

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

FleshLight

Diamond Member
Mar 18, 2004
6,883
0
71
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: SSSnail
What will trees do then? Can they produce too much oxygen?

trees don't 'produce' oxygen... they release oxygen after absorbing CO2

Technically, they don't absorb CO2. They convert it into energy in a process called photosynthesis and a byproduct of that process is O2.

then where does the CO2 come from? Isn't it 'absorbed' in some shape or form? I understand photosynthesis and O2 being a product of the energy creation, as the carbon is used to create the 'sugars' used for energy. But, the CO2 to start the reaction comes from the atmosphere, does it not?

Originally posted by: FoBoT
co2 also comes out of the earth, volcanic vents and volcanoes

http://www.geo.mtu.edu/volcano...azards/primer/gas.html

and natural forest fires, or any naturally created fire. And yes, even unnatural fires however, I'm suggesting how CO2 will continue to exist even if we somehow removed it.

The CO2 is sequestered in the bioshere by the lants so it is absorbed in a sense. And yeah, through the carbon cycle, CO2 will return to the atmoshere. Some of it will be sequestered in the ocean though.
 

FoBoT

No Lifer
Apr 30, 2001
63,084
15
81
fobot.com
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: FleshLight
No CO2 = no greenhouse gas effect = mars = very cold earth (25 degrees C less)

There are a lot of greenhouse gasses besides CO2 (water vapor being a very important one)

we must rid the earth of water vapor!!! otherwise, we'll all die!!
 

FleshLight

Diamond Member
Mar 18, 2004
6,883
0
71
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: FleshLight
No CO2 = no greenhouse gas effect = mars = very cold earth (25 degrees C less)

There are a lot of greenhouse gasses besides CO2 (water vapor being a very important one)

we must rid the earth of water vapor!!! otherwise, we'll all die!!

There are, but CO2 is resonsible for over half of the greenhouse effect.
 

SSSnail

Lifer
Nov 29, 2006
17,458
83
86
Originally posted by: Tiamat
Originally posted by: BigJ
Obviously the OP didn't think this question through.

Yeah, what I meant was if we were to reduce the CO2, will the trees go on vacation. But, it is what it is and here we are.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
100,685
18,025
126
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: SSSnail
What will trees do then? Can they produce too much oxygen?

you will die too... humans depend on co2/o2 ratio to breath.

the CO2 is not necessary. We are exhaling CO2 from our body, something that is produced and builds up in the body. We technically inhale O2 and exhale CO2. CO2 just happens to be able to be inhaled to no dangerous effect AS LONG AS the current ratio is sustained, or lowered. But lowering that ratio will harm plant life and their O2 production.
If we were to inhale a higher amount of CO2, we'd die... well, there's a lethal/toxic level of CO2.

I guess I remember wrongly. I thought the body checks co2 level and tells your lung to work harder if o2/co2 ratio is off.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,586
986
126
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: SSSnail
What will trees do then? Can they produce too much oxygen?

trees don't 'produce' oxygen... they release oxygen after absorbing CO2

Technically, they don't absorb CO2. They convert it into energy in a process called photosynthesis and a byproduct of that process is O2.

then where does the CO2 come from? Isn't it 'absorbed' in some shape or form? I understand photosynthesis and O2 being a product of the energy creation, as the carbon is used to create the 'sugars' used for energy. But, the CO2 to start the reaction comes from the atmosphere, does it not?

Correct. I guess absorbed would be an accurate way to describe it. Plants do not create CO2.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
28,799
359
126
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: SSSnail
What will trees do then? Can they produce too much oxygen?

you will die too... humans depend on co2/o2 ratio to breath.

the CO2 is not necessary. We are exhaling CO2 from our body, something that is produced and builds up in the body. We technically inhale O2 and exhale CO2. CO2 just happens to be able to be inhaled to no dangerous effect AS LONG AS the current ratio is sustained, or lowered. But lowering that ratio will harm plant life and their O2 production.
If we were to inhale a higher amount of CO2, we'd die... well, there's a lethal/toxic level of CO2.

I guess I remember wrongly. I thought the body checks co2 level and tells your lung to work harder if o2/co2 ratio is off.

I'm not entirely sure either. I hated biology and never took college-level biology (and am doing all I can to avoid it!).
 

Gibsons

Lifer
Aug 14, 2001
12,530
35
91
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: SSSnail
What will trees do then? Can they produce too much oxygen?

you will die too... humans depend on co2/o2 ratio to breath.

the CO2 is not necessary. We are exhaling CO2 from our body, something that is produced and builds up in the body. We technically inhale O2 and exhale CO2. CO2 just happens to be able to be inhaled to no dangerous effect AS LONG AS the current ratio is sustained, or lowered. But lowering that ratio will harm plant life and their O2 production.
If we were to inhale a higher amount of CO2, we'd die... well, there's a lethal/toxic level of CO2.

I guess I remember wrongly. I thought the body checks co2 level and tells your lung to work harder if o2/co2 ratio is off.

As CO2 levels rise, the pH of the blood drops and this causes increased respiratory rate. You can breathe pure oxygen with little to no harmful effect.

Or go back and watch Apollo 13, they weren't so much worried about running out of O2 as they were about CO2 reaching lethal levels.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
100,685
18,025
126
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: SSSnail
What will trees do then? Can they produce too much oxygen?

you will die too... humans depend on co2/o2 ratio to breath.

the CO2 is not necessary. We are exhaling CO2 from our body, something that is produced and builds up in the body. We technically inhale O2 and exhale CO2. CO2 just happens to be able to be inhaled to no dangerous effect AS LONG AS the current ratio is sustained, or lowered. But lowering that ratio will harm plant life and their O2 production.
If we were to inhale a higher amount of CO2, we'd die... well, there's a lethal/toxic level of CO2.

I guess I remember wrongly. I thought the body checks co2 level and tells your lung to work harder if o2/co2 ratio is off.

As CO2 levels rise, the pH of the blood drops and this causes increased respiratory rate. You can breathe pure oxygen with little to no harmful effect.

Or go back and watch Apollo 13, they weren't so much worried about running out of O2 as they were about CO2 reaching lethal levels.

so CO2 is not acting as a regulator? man, my brain is rusty... too much co2 I am sure...
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Moderator<br>A/V & Home Theater<br>Elite member
Aug 6, 2001
31,205
45
91
Originally posted by: FleshLight
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: FleshLight
No CO2 = no greenhouse gas effect = mars = very cold earth (25 degrees C less)

There are a lot of greenhouse gasses besides CO2 (water vapor being a very important one)

we must rid the earth of water vapor!!! otherwise, we'll all die!!

There are, but CO2 is resonsible for over half of the greenhouse effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...ffect#Greenhouse_gases

"Discussion of the relative importance of different infrared absorbers is confused by the overlap between the spectral lines due to different gases, widened by pressure broadening. As a result, the absorption due to one gas cannot be thought of as independent of the presence of other gases. One convenient approach is to remove the chosen constituent, leaving all other absorbers, and the temperatures, untouched, and monitoring the infrared radiation escaping to space. The reduction in infrared absorption is then a measure of the importance of that constituent. More precisely, define the greenhouse effect (GE) to be the difference between the infrared radiation that the surface would radiate to space if there were no atmosphere and the actual infrared radiation escaping to space. Then compute the percentage reduction in GE when a constituent is removed. The table below is computed by this method, using a particular 1-dimensional model of the atmosphere. More recent 3D computations lead to similar results.

Gas removed percent reduction in GE
H2O__________36%
CO2__________9%
O3___________3%

By this particular measure, water vapor can be thought of as providing 36% of the greenhouse effect, and carbon dioxide 9%, but the effect of removal of both of these constituents will be greater than the total that each reduces the effect, in this case more than 45%. An additional proviso is that these numbers are computed holding the cloud distribution fixed. But removing water vapor from the atmosphere while holding clouds fixed is not likely to be physically relevant. In addition, the effects of a given gas are typically nonlinear in the amount of that gas, since the absorption by the gas at one level in the atmosphere can remove photons that would otherwise interact with the gas at another altitude. The kinds of estimates presented in the table, while often encountered in the controversies surrounding global warming, must be treated with caution. Different estimates found in different sources typically result from different definitions and do not reflect uncertainties in the underlying radiative transfer."
 

Gibsons

Lifer
Aug 14, 2001
12,530
35
91
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: SSSnail
What will trees do then? Can they produce too much oxygen?

you will die too... humans depend on co2/o2 ratio to breath.

the CO2 is not necessary. We are exhaling CO2 from our body, something that is produced and builds up in the body. We technically inhale O2 and exhale CO2. CO2 just happens to be able to be inhaled to no dangerous effect AS LONG AS the current ratio is sustained, or lowered. But lowering that ratio will harm plant life and their O2 production.
If we were to inhale a higher amount of CO2, we'd die... well, there's a lethal/toxic level of CO2.

I guess I remember wrongly. I thought the body checks co2 level and tells your lung to work harder if o2/co2 ratio is off.

As CO2 levels rise, the pH of the blood drops and this causes increased respiratory rate. You can breathe pure oxygen with little to no harmful effect.

Or go back and watch Apollo 13, they weren't so much worried about running out of O2 as they were about CO2 reaching lethal levels.

so CO2 is not acting as a regulator? man, my brain is rusty... too much co2 I am sure...
It sort of is, CO2 dissolves in water to form carbonic acid that causes the pH to drop. wiki
 

imported_Baloo

Golden Member
Feb 2, 2006
1,782
0
0
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Parasitic
Originally posted by: dakels
if I remember my biology 101 correctly, most plants release O2 during the day, CO2 at night.

You didn't fail the class did you?

Plants release CO2 ALL THE TIME, day or night.
However during the day there's sunlight for photosynthesis, so our dear byproduct O2 can be released; at night when there are no light sources plants can't photosynthesize and therefore no O2.

isn't the CO2 being released only technically the amount being 'inhaled'? Thus no actual CO2 production, as is the case in humans?

No, that is dead wrong.
 

dakels

Platinum Member
Nov 20, 2002
2,809
2
0
Originally posted by: Baloo
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Parasitic
Originally posted by: dakels
if I remember my biology 101 correctly, most plants release O2 during the day, CO2 at night.

You didn't fail the class did you?

Plants release CO2 ALL THE TIME, day or night.
However during the day there's sunlight for photosynthesis, so our dear byproduct O2 can be released; at night when there are no light sources plants can't photosynthesize and therefore no O2.

isn't the CO2 being released only technically the amount being 'inhaled'? Thus no actual CO2 production, as is the case in humans?

No, that is dead wrong.
I remember being told that plants expire more CO2 at night then in the day. Also that plants absorb CO2 at all times, night or day and sometimes absorb oxygen as well and release CO2.

Anyways who said at 25% O2 we will blow up? That's absurd. I believe our atmosphere had as high as 35% O2 levels millions of years ago. That's what "supposedly" lead to giant bugs and creatures benefiting from an oxygen rich atmosphere.

And yea, nothing wrong with 100% O2 on humans for a short time, but studies have shown that long exposure to 100% O2, especially at higher pressures does have negative, even dangerous effects.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Moderator<br>A/V & Home Theater<br>Elite member
Aug 6, 2001
31,205
45
91
As I understood it, the 25% O2 content was a big deal because burning of things like wet wood could take place. Fires would be a lot more prevalent due to this even if we don't "blow up" or have the atmosphere itself ignite somehow.
 
Oct 25, 2006
11,036
11
91
Originally posted by: dakels
Originally posted by: Baloo
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Parasitic
Originally posted by: dakels
if I remember my biology 101 correctly, most plants release O2 during the day, CO2 at night.

You didn't fail the class did you?

Plants release CO2 ALL THE TIME, day or night.
However during the day there's sunlight for photosynthesis, so our dear byproduct O2 can be released; at night when there are no light sources plants can't photosynthesize and therefore no O2.

isn't the CO2 being released only technically the amount being 'inhaled'? Thus no actual CO2 production, as is the case in humans?

No, that is dead wrong.
I remember being told that plants expire more CO2 at night then in the day. Also that plants absorb CO2 at all times, night or day and sometimes absorb oxygen as well and release CO2.

Anyways who said at 25% O2 we will blow up? That's absurd. I believe our atmosphere had as high as 35% O2 levels millions of years ago. That's what "supposedly" lead to giant bugs and creatures benefiting from an oxygen rich atmosphere.

And yea, nothing wrong with 100% O2 on humans for a short time, but studies have shown that long exposure to 100% O2, especially at higher pressures does have negative, even dangerous effects.

100% oxygen for a short while is fine. Of course you will quickly start to hyperventilate, collapse and eventually die.
 

bobsmith1492

Diamond Member
Feb 21, 2004
3,875
3
81
Plants take in CO2 and H2O and give off pure O2 (oxygen). The excess carbon and hydrogen are stored as simple sugars that can be processed into aptly-named hydrocarbons.

Humans and animals eat sugars, basically carbon and hydrogen, and inhale oxygen. We then do the opposite of plants: breaking up the carbon-hydrogen compounds, the carbon combines with the oxygen to make CO2 that we exhale. We also produce water with the excess hydrogen and some of the oxygen. That's (partly) how little kangaroo rats and parakeets and things can survive without drinking anything. I think that's also part of what heats us - hydrogen and oxygen combining creates heat in a form of combustion. One could say we are internal combustion engines? No... nevermind that. ;)